Liverpool benefitting from Referees

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Let’s track this until the end of the season and keep it objective.

If you follow the VAR thread you’ll know they’ve been given the benefit of the doubt already this season a ridiculous amount of times.

With the Coote controversy that’s only going to get worse and worse with referees terrified of upsetting the professional victims.

So this is day zero in this thread and we’re only going to record and discuss decisions going forward (the VAR thread is open for past decisions). I thought it would be interesting to see if this is cognitive bias or if they’re genuinely getting constant favourable referee help.
 
Will this require someone to watch every Liverpool match?
 
Doracle said:
Will this require someone to watch every Liverpool match?
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Yes, we are going to delegate this work to a single person and nobody else will be allowed to raise incidents
 
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njred said:
Doesn’t it get tiring ?
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Listening to you lot constantly whinging, crying and claiming the world is against ye despite having a long history of getting preferable treatment from referees?

Yeah it does.
 
Copium thread.

Coote’s been out to get us. We’re owed.
 
Pexbo said:
referees terrified of upsetting the professional victims.
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Sad, this.

They've won what because of good
management and planning, something sorely lacking at ours for some time.

It isn't because of bizarre conspiracy theories and Sun-newspaper style slander about 'always the victims'.

We don't have to like it but christ can we stop being this level of sour.
 
They're claiming all over the internet some decisions in which Coote was a VAR ref cost them the title(s).
 
The busier this thread gets the better season Liverpool will be having. Bit like the ‘Lucky Liverpool’ one.

I’m hoping we’re into 15 pages by the New Year.
 
IRELANDUNITED said:
Listening to you lot constantly whinging, crying and claiming the world is against ye despite having a long history of getting preferable treatment from referees?

Yeah it does.
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The irony. I'm just waiting for the 'we wouldn't get away with that as the whole world is against us....more clicks, sells newspapers, ABU driven media etc. etc...' post.

Let's just admit that all sets of fans love a good old opinion driven conspiracy against their rivals. We were the same in the 90s/00s with you guys.
 
Crostien said:
Sad, this.

They've won what because of good
management and planning, something sorely lacking at ours for some time.

It isn't because of bizarre conspiracy theories and Sun-newspaper style slander about 'always the victims'.

We don't have to like it but christ can we stop being this level of sour.
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They have been very well run and I admired the Salah-Mane-Firminho team for their workrate and skill...and I also can't dislike Klopp because if he was our manager, I'd love it.

That all being said, they are the jammiest, luckiest, most leniently refereed team on the planet. I have no reason to say that through bias. I don't feel like City or Chelsea or Arsenal get lenient treatment
 
They've been getting decisions for DECADES. I remember being at a Middlesbrough match (that I've just searched and it was 2008) when Mascherano grabbed Aliadiere by the throat, who slapped him in return and got sent off. Nothing for Mascherano obviously. Just seen that instead of the 3 game ban he got a 4 game ban for a "frivolous appeal" after they appealed the decision. Some things never change hey. Sounds like they might end up with some frivolous titles if the current Coote witch-hunt is anything to go by :D
 
Pexbo said:
Let’s track this until the end of the season and keep it objective.

If you follow the VAR thread you’ll know they’ve been given the benefit of the doubt already this season a ridiculous amount of times.

With the Coote controversy that’s only going to get worse and worse with referees terrified of upsetting the professional victims.

So this is day zero in this thread and we’re only going to record and discuss decisions going forward (the VAR thread is open for past decisions). I thought it would be interesting to see if this is cognitive bias or if they’re genuinely getting constant favourable referee help.
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This could be interesting, who will do the decision making/calculations? Optic stats? Ref Watch? Premier League stats?
What will the baseline be for benefiting or not against other teams, overall average etc?

BTW, using the 'Victims' line is a real lack of class, you definitely know where that originated from
 
They benefited when Klopp starting moaning and saying we got all the decisions. Then we stopped getting obvious ones where as they got soft ones.
 
DJ_21 said:
They benefited when Klopp starting moaning and saying we got all the decisions. Then we stopped getting obvious ones where as they got soft ones.
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This one intensified after the Wolves game at the start of last season when the media had a collective meltdown over the Onana incident and went on about it for days
 
Liver_bird said:
Can’t really begrudge them it. This is what all fanbases were doing when Ferguson was in charge.
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I guess it will just be another thread to add on the list like the “Liverpool are the luckiest team “ thread. Should be fun and unbiased.
 
DJ_21 said:
They benefited when Klopp starting moaning and saying we got all the decisions. Then we stopped getting obvious ones where as they got soft ones.
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Great news, if true.
 
LochGormanAbú said:
This could be interesting, who will do the decision making/calculations? Optic stats? Ref Watch? Premier League stats?
What will the baseline be for benefiting or not against other teams, overall average etc?

BTW, using the 'Victims' line is a real lack of class, you definitely know where that originated from
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Using the victims slur in a thread that is - by its very nature - self-pitying is almost too obvious to point out.

Big subtext here: Poor United and the mean refs.
 
DJ_21 said:
It was and you know it. :lol: The manager that moaned the most. Remember when the wind and the length of the grass cost you some games…
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No I fully agree. Hope refs continue their bias behaviour. Saves the team having to be any good.
 
LochGormanAbú said:
This could be interesting, who will do the decision making/calculations? Optic stats? Ref Watch? Premier League stats?
What will the baseline be for benefiting or not against other teams, overall average etc?

BTW, using the 'Victims' line is a real lack of class, you definitely know where that originated from
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PickledRed said:
Using the victims slur in a thread that is - by its very nature - self-pitying is almost too obvious to point out.

Big subtext here: Poor United and the mean refs.
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When Liverpool fans live by the mantras of 'Scouse not English' and 'You'll Never Walk Alone' are you surprised?

Their entire fan base lives off playing the victim card. I have never met an unbiased and accountable Liverpool fan. The players are the best, the fans are the best, and the only reason they lose is because of Man United, City and Chelsea spending more money or ref decisions going against them, which is ironic because they have more favourable decisions than any other club. Ref decisions at Anfield have been an absolute joke for years and you can't feign ignorance by pretending it hasn't,
 
Liverpool are disproportionately favoured by referees for sure, every non-Liverpool fan knows it and talks about it. It’s really obvious to anyone who doesn’t have scouse blinkers on. There may be some politics at play.
 
Would need to be an impartial appraisal of every significant decision, not just pointing out stuff that benefits Liverpool.

Which is essentially what Liverpool fans are doing at the moment, cherry picking stuff that happened to go against them or in favour of rivals in the title race.

I'd be willing to bet the reality is that referees make lots of mistakes (and reasonable decisions/interpretations that people just don't like) which impact every team both positively and negatively with no evidence of actual bias.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Their entire fan base lives off playing the victim card.
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Why write all that and then throw in this lazy line. By ‘entire’ you’re saying every fan (of the team you dislike the most) are all unreasonable and unhinged. Sounds a bit much, no?

That is remarkably feeble as a piece of analysis. Genuinely, you can do better than to just lean on boring stuff like this that adds nothing new.
 
Liver_bird said:
Can’t really begrudge them it. This is what all fanbases were doing when Ferguson was in charge.
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It wasnt really true when Sir Alex was in charge though, the idea that Sir Alex had the refs in his pocket was made up by bitter rival fans who couldnt just accept that we were winning by being the best team
 
El Zoido said:
Liverpool are disproportionately favoured by referees
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This is great. I’ve always wanted Liverpool to have the best team, but with this agenda in place I’m delighted as success will simply be handed on a platter.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
It wasnt really true when Ferguson was in charge though
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The world wasn’t filled with lads with lists in that era. You could rant at 606 and be done. Now you can set up accounts dedicated to spinning agendas either way. Making long one-eyed lists of grievances that show how everything is unjust.

Welcome to the terminally online age. It’s really sane.
 
PickledRed said:
Why write all that and then throw in this lazy line. By ‘entire’ you’re saying every fan (of the team you dislike the most) are all unreasonable and unhinged. Sounds a bit much, no?

That is remarkably feeble as a piece of analysis. Genuinely, you can do better than to just lean on boring stuff like this that adds nothing new.
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I have never met or spoken to a Liverpool fan that doesn't think football is against them or accepts that their players or manager can be in the wrong.

But you are being pedantic in the wording just because I used the word 'entire'.

I can see you are in this category though because your comments are just brushing it off as a conspiracy. It is not a conspiracy when Liverpool very rarely get decisions against them at Anfield. Like I wrote, no Liverpool fan can accept accountability or be unbiased.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
I have never met or spoken to a Liverpool fan that doesn't think football is against them or accepts that their players or manager can be in the wrong.

But you are being pedantic in the wording just because I used the word 'entire'.

I can see you are in this category though because your comments are just brushing it off as a conspiracy. It is not a conspiracy when Liverpool very rarely get decisions against them at Anfield. Like I wrote, no Liverpool fan can accept accountability or be unbiased.
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You could do a mail merge of this and replace it with any given set of fans. It’s so incredibly ironic in its lack of self-awareness. Every club seems to harbour large numbers of fans who basically deal with defeat like toddlers. It isn’t idiosyncratic to Liverpool fans only - obviously
 
PickledRed said:
You could do a mail merge of this and replace it with any given set of fans. It’s so incredibly ironic in its lack of self-awareness. Every club seems to harbour large numbers of fans who basically deal with defeat like toddlers. It isn’t idiosyncratic to Liverpool fans only - obviously
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Only with Liverpool it isn’t just about results is it?

You had a player racially abuse another player and somehow managed to turn the aggressor into the victim with a campaign that included printed T-shirts his black team mates were expected to wear.
 
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