What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

[croadyman]

So after the first week or so of the window I think it’s time to revisit this.
Tosin and Todibo are no go’s.
It’s looking like Branthwaite could happen at £55m+ add ons. Zirkzee at £34m release clause. We’ve then been best linked to Neves for the midfield and Kerkez as a left back option.
Williams doesn’t look likely at £60m plus high wages. Pino links are gone now. With Doue and Simons being the wide players most linked.
I think I could realistically see us signing 4 players initially, being Branthwaite, Kerkez, Neves if the money is there, Fofana or Hjulmand if not, and then Zirkzee. Then I could see us signing another cb if there are cb sales, maybe Anselmino or De ligt on loan. Then there’s the fact we obviously want a wide player in Doue or Simons on loan with an option to buy.
Would Branthwaite, Kerkez, Neves, Zirkzee, De ligt on loan, and Simons on loan to buy be enough to take us up a level?

Would be absolutely ecstatic with that window, however can't see Neves happening this summer. I also very much doubt Bayern are open to loaning us De Ligt either

 

[Woziak]

Would be absolutely ecstatic with that window, however can't see Neves happening this summer. I also very much doubt Bayern are open to loaning us De Ligt either

Again this is not happening let’s be Realistic , Everton want at least £65m for Branthwaite, Zirkzee Is more like £45m with ridiculous agent Fees, Bournemouth want £45m for kerkev and Jao Neves, maybe because Benfica need to sell, they may do it for £75m in this current market that’s a total of £230m

United are £1 billion in debt, couldn’t even do loan deals in winter window and are now relying on SJR charity to put money into the club for more shares. When journalists say £50m, the truth is probably £70-75m plus sales and we can’t sell our players right now, it’s why we are putting in lowball bids for multiple players to appease the fans as this is an upgrade on Monitoring FC from previous years.

Realistically Squad 24/25
Goalkeepers / Onana, Bayinder, T Heaton
Defence / AWB, Dalot, Malacia, L Shaw, W Ksmbawla, L Martinez, H Maguire, J Evans, H Amass, New CB(35m)
Midfield /S Amrabat, K Mainoo, New DM(40m), S Mctominay, B Fernandez, M Mount, T Collyer
Attackers / R Hojlund, A Garnaucho, M Rashford, A Diallo, New CF(35m), Antony, E Wheatley

That’s three youth players promoted and 3 new players in providing we sell Greenwood, Lindelof and Casemiro,

That squad will struggle might get 4th or 5th in the PL might win a cup. not enough goals not enough creativity.

 

[bosskeano]

would Xavi SImmons be the better midfield option from RB Leipzig?

 

[croadyman]

would Xavi SImmons be the better midfield option from RB Leipzig?

Think he would be exceptionally difficult to attract

 

[bosnian_red]

Sooooo judging by the strongest rumors so far, that'd be:

• Kerkez
• Ugarte
• De ligt
• Zirkzee

Onana
Dalot de ligt Martinez Shaw
Ugarte Mainoo
Garnacho Bruno Rashford
Hojlund

Altay
Wan Bissaka Maguire ??? Kerkez
McTominay ???
Amad Mount Antony
Zirkzee
​

Not perfect, but miles better and a much better age profile and physical floor to that group. Need 2 midfield and 2 CB signings though, since the depth isn't there

 

[Nonameisknown]

Sooooo judging by the strongest rumors so far, that'd be:

• Kerkez
• Ugarte
• De ligt
• Zirkzee

Obama
Dalot de ligt Martinez Shaw
Ugarte Mainoo
Garnacho Bruno Rashford
Hojlund

Altay
Wan Bissaka Maguire ??? Kerkez
McTominay ???
Amad Mount Antony
Zirkzee
​

Not perfect, but miles better and a much better age profile and physical floor to that group. Need 2 midfield and 2 CB signings though, since the depth isn't there

We signed Obama's brother?

 

[bosnian_red]

We signed Obama's brother?

My phone hates onana

 

[cpresc]

I gotta say, im impressed with all the links so far, there’s some smart (potential) signings in the pipeline

 

[Michael T]

Sooooo judging by the strongest rumors so far, that'd be:

• Kerkez
• Ugarte
• De ligt
• Zirkzee

Onana
Dalot de ligt Martinez Shaw
Ugarte Mainoo
Garnacho Bruno Rashford
Hojlund

Altay
Wan Bissaka Maguire ??? Kerkez
McTominay ???
Amad Mount Antony
Zirkzee
​

Not perfect, but miles better and a much better age profile and physical floor to that group. Need 2 midfield and 2 CB signings though, since the depth isn't there

So, add Branthwaite & Neves to that list and we're good to go...
Pity we can't swap out Antony for Kvaratskhelia too!

 

[bosnian_red]

So, add Branthwaite & Neves to that list and we're good to go...
Pity we can't swap out Antony for Kvaratskhelia too!

Branthwaite I doubt would happen given his cost.. we'll get 1 starter and then a depth guy. De Ligt is that starter I'd guess.

Neves isn't happening this summer either, we don't have funds for 100m on him on top of everything else.

De Ligt, kerkez, zirkzee, Ugarte are all probably under 40m (kerkez the highest, but lower wages while de Ligt would have high wages). The 2nd midfielder and 2nd CB will both likely be cheaper signings or loans.

 

[Michael T]

Branthwaite I doubt would happen given his cost.. we'll get 1 starter and then a depth guy. De Ligt is that starter I'd guess.

Neves isn't happening this summer either, we don't have funds for 100m on him on top of everything else.

De Ligt, kerkez, zirkzee, Ugarte are all probably under 40m (kerkez the highest, but lower wages while de Ligt would have high wages). The 2nd midfielder and 2nd CB will both likely be cheaper signings or loans.

Yes, I was just dreaming.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Sooooo judging by the strongest rumors so far, that'd be:

• Kerkez
• Ugarte
• De ligt
• Zirkzee

Onana
Dalot de ligt Martinez Shaw
Ugarte Mainoo
Garnacho Bruno Rashford
Hojlund

Altay
Wan Bissaka Maguire ??? Kerkez
McTominay ???
Amad Mount Antony
Zirkzee
​

Not perfect, but miles better and a much better age profile and physical floor to that group. Need 2 midfield and 2 CB signings though, since the depth isn't there

That attack looks underwhelming. Wish we could get a more lethal striker

 

[bosnian_red]

That attack looks underwhelming. Wish we could get a more lethal striker

Gotta look at it in the lens of the team will be built around garnacho and Mainoo, while amad and Hojlund can develop more and have bigger roles. It's not gonna challenge for the title now, but it's building towards eventually doing that as those players have huge potential. We have tons of holes in the squad that need to be addressed just to be at solid ground, and that's what this is doing. Next summer we can build more for upgrading the attack or other positions, but for now we have to have a good squad and have a group that suits each other and what the manager wants from how we'll play. We need to raise the physical level of the squad and reduce the average age. This would do that and give us a very good chance at having a good season.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

The below would be a successful window for me.

Ideally I'd want someone like Toney but still, wouldn't complain if this happened.

Kerkez
De Ligt
Ugarte
Zirkzee

 

[croadyman]

The below would be a successful window for me.

Ideally I'd want someone like Toney but still, wouldn't complain if this happened.

Kerkez
De Ligt
Ugarte
Zirkzee

Don't see Toney as apparently we are only looking at players under 25 according to Ratcliffe

 

[Sarni]

If Zirkzee deal falls through or he decides to join Milan, given our limited transfer budget a player we should look at is Haller. We definitely need a new striker to provide cover/competition for Hojlund, Haller has been replaced by Fullkrug in Dortmund’s first team and could probably be grabbed for cheap or loaned. Could even try to send Sancho the other way as makeweight in sort of a ‘swap loan’ deal.

Don’t think we can or should sign him outright given his age but as a stop gap signing for a season he could be good.

 

[Highfather_24]

Wouldnt mind snapping up Amrabat for midfield depth, and another CB on the cheap for cover. Otherwise De Ligt, Kerkez, Ugarte and Zirkzee is a decent window.

 

[ShoePolish]

Really feels like slim pickings this window.
Most players heavily linked now couldn't cut it at big clubs for some reason.
De Ligt seems to be on the injury prone side, and if we get him, will have played for Ajax, Juventus, Bayern and United while still being only 25.
Zirkzee was let go by Bayern, and comes off a first single decent(?) season, where he's scored 12 goals total. Weren't we after experienced striker? We'll be looking next summer for someone to cover for both Hojlund and Zirkzee.
Ugarte I've not seen much off, but didn't cut it at PSG. Can't be worse than Amrabat hopefully.
Bournemouth lad I only first heard off this summer after being linked to him, not sure how he's 45 mil player.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Gotta look at it in the lens of the team will be built around garnacho and Mainoo, while amad and Hojlund can develop more and have bigger roles. It's not gonna challenge for the title now, but it's building towards eventually doing that as those players have huge potential. We have tons of holes in the squad that need to be addressed just to be at solid ground, and that's what this is doing. Next summer we can build more for upgrading the attack or other positions, but for now we have to have a good squad and have a group that suits each other and what the manager wants from how we'll play. We need to raise the physical level of the squad and reduce the average age. This would do that and give us a very good chance at having a good season.

Yeah makes sense. And Hopefully the likes of Garnacho and Hojlund break the curse and we actually see some player development for once

 

[mikeyt]

Branthwaite I doubt would happen given his cost.. we'll get 1 starter and then a depth guy. De Ligt is that starter I'd guess.

Neves isn't happening this summer either, we don't have funds for 100m on him on top of everything else.

De Ligt, kerkez, zirkzee, Ugarte are all probably under 40m (kerkez the highest, but lower wages while de Ligt would have high wages). The 2nd midfielder and 2nd CB will both likely be cheaper signings or loans.

I hope we don't get Branthwaite if the figures being quoted are correct.

Those four would be good signings and would definitely give us more depth. But for me it lacks any real star quality (which given our financial situation is probably going to have to be the case this summer given the number of gaps we have). I think these only happen if we shift Sancho, Greenwood and Casemiro, but if we can offload one or two more (Maguire and McT) perhaps, we could get one more in. If there is a way around the signing players from Nice issue, Todibo and Thuram would have to come into the equation.

 

[croadyman]

Sooooo judging by the strongest rumors so far, that'd be:

• Kerkez
• Ugarte
• De ligt
• Zirkzee

Onana
Dalot de ligt Martinez Shaw
Ugarte Mainoo
Garnacho Bruno Rashford
Hojlund

Altay
Wan Bissaka Maguire ??? Kerkez
McTominay ???
Amad Mount Antony
Zirkzee
​

Not perfect, but miles better and a much better age profile and physical floor to that group. Need 2 midfield and 2 CB signings though, since the depth isn't there

Who should we targeting as other midfield and CB signing then?

 

[croadyman]

I hope we don't get Branthwaite if the figures being quoted are correct.

Those four would be good signings and would definitely give us more depth. But for me it lacks any real star quality (which given our financial situation is probably going to have to be the case this summer given the number of gaps we have). I think these only happen if we shift Sancho, Greenwood and Casemiro, but if we can offload one or two more (Maguire and McT) perhaps, we could get one more in. If there is a way around the signing players from Nice issue, Todibo and Thuram would have to come into the equation.

I'm not bothered about star quality because let's face it our recent star names haven't pulled up any trees

 

[Chaky_Best]

I heard the guys will be back soon at Carrington and the first game against Rosenborg will be the 15h July, so we are 2 weeks away our first game so hopefully we'll have some signings at the moment.

For what I want for this summer, I won't be really innovative, but we need serious reinforcement in order to reduce the gap with the top 6.

According to below plan, we would have a net spent of around 200M and 125M (depending on Sancho and Greenwood sell and no loans).

We would also reduce massively the wage bill, and we have young talents in this team (De Ligt 25, Mainoo 19, Neves 20, Olise 23, Doué 19, Hojlund 21, Garnacho 20)

I am still not decided on who the striker should be to compete with Hojlund. According to me he should be older and have another profile (you'll see that Ten Hag will push to get Sebastien Haller )

--------------------------------------------------------Onana------------------------------------------------------------
Dalot-------------------------------De Ligt--------------------Martinez---------------------------------Shaw
---------------------------------------Mainoo--------------------Joao Neves------------------------------------
Olise--------------------------------------------------Bruno----------------------------Garnacho/Rashford
--------------------------------------------------------Hojlund----------------------------------------------------------

--------------------------------------------------------????????----------------------------------------------------------
Garnacho/Rashford------------------------Doué/Mount------------------------------Amad/Antony
-----------------------------------------------Eriksen-----------Amrabat--------------------------------------------
Kerkez--------------------Evans/Kambwala------------Maguire-----------------------Wan Bissaka
----------------------------------------------------Altay/Heaton-------------------------------------------------------

Sell / Loan : between 95M€ to 165M€

Lindelof : 15M
Malacia (loan)
Casemiro : 30M
Pellistri : 10M
Van De Beek : 5M
Mc Tominay : 30M
Gore (loan)
Hannibal 5M
Sancho : 50M or loan + obligation to buy
Greenwood : 20M or loan + obligation to buy

Purchases : 290M€

De Ligt : 40M
Joao Neves : 90M
Olise : 60M
Doué : 50M
Amrabat : 20M
Kerkez : 30M

 

[bosskeano]

could our first three signings be Zirkzee, Ugarte and DeLigt????

plus mention that Ashworth wants to take Amrabat on loan again

 

[Redivy]

could our first three signings be Zirkzee, Ugarte and DeLigt????

plus mention that Ashworth wants to take Amrabat on loan again

I like our first three potential signings.

I’d still like a left back and backup LCB.

 

[The-Mezzala]

could our first three signings be Zirkzee, Ugarte and DeLigt????

plus mention that Ashworth wants to take Amrabat on loan again

Considering we are playing Europa league. If we got another Centre back with potential in and maybe a left back . Thats a decent window all things considering.

 

[bosskeano]

Considering we are playing Europa league. If we got another Centre back with potential in and maybe a left back . Thats a decent window all things considering.

can't get a CB unless somehow we can move either Lindelof or Maguire

those three would be a solid start.....then if we can move sancho or greenwood then you go get another wing player and bring amrabat back on loan if you can other you'll have to look hard at Neves

 

[RDCR07]

I heard the guys will be back soon at Carrington and the first game against Rosenborg will be the 15h July, so we are 2 weeks away our first game so hopefully we'll have some signings at the moment.

For what I want for this summer, I won't be really innovative, but we need serious reinforcement in order to reduce the gap with the top 6.

According to below plan, we would have a net spent of around 200M and 125M (depending on Sancho and Greenwood sell and no loans).

We would also reduce massively the wage bill, and we have young talents in this team (De Ligt 25, Mainoo 19, Neves 20, Olise 23, Doué 19, Hojlund 21, Garnacho 20)

I am still not decided on who the striker should be to compete with Hojlund. According to me he should be older and have another profile (you'll see that Ten Hag will push to get Sebastien Haller )

--------------------------------------------------------Onana------------------------------------------------------------
Dalot-------------------------------De Ligt--------------------Martinez---------------------------------Shaw
---------------------------------------Mainoo--------------------Joao Neves------------------------------------
Olise--------------------------------------------------Bruno----------------------------Garnacho/Rashford
--------------------------------------------------------Hojlund----------------------------------------------------------

--------------------------------------------------------????????----------------------------------------------------------
Garnacho/Rashford------------------------Doué/Mount------------------------------Amad/Antony
-----------------------------------------------Eriksen-----------Amrabat--------------------------------------------
Kerkez--------------------Evans/Kambwala------------Maguire-----------------------Wan Bissaka
----------------------------------------------------Altay/Heaton-------------------------------------------------------

Sell / Loan : between 95M€ to 165M€

Lindelof : 15M
Malacia (loan)
Casemiro : 30M
Pellistri : 10M
Van De Beek : 5M
Mc Tominay : 30M
Gore (loan)
Hannibal 5M
Sancho : 50M or loan + obligation to buy
Greenwood : 20M or loan + obligation to buy

Purchases : 290M€

De Ligt : 40M
Joao Neves : 90M
Olise : 60M
Doué : 50M
Amrabat : 20M
Kerkez : 30M

Play FM a lot?

 

[The-Mezzala]

can't get a CB unless somehow we can move either Lindelof or Maguire

those three would be a solid start.....then if we can move sancho or greenwood then you go get another wing player and bring amrabat back on loan if you can other you'll have to look hard at Neves

Think we can move Lindelof. Maguire is a tough one to move on. He already turned West Ham down last summer which still annoys me as we could of got Todibo with that money. I don’t think we get a winger until next summer. Antony is going nowhere. We put some bang average players on crazy money. Hoping the kid Bardghji recovers from his injury and we sign him next year. Neves is going to go PSG i think. Thats why we getting ugarte as they need to shift players on. Would love to get Fabien Ruiz aswel. But he has been a key under Enrique so no chance