Well he needs to ensure he keeps his job doesn't he?
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This is so sad. Who are the real monsters?
https://twitter.com/Fx1Jonny/status/1804206425134047432
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I guess what I didn't state outright, but was assuming, was that the change has to be political. The agencies and Pentagon may get sick of Israel quicker, but the decision is in the president's hands. And the lobby's moves - I agree there is some element of panic to them - nonetheless buy them a lot of extra time. The compulsory trip all but 3 people in Congress have have made to Israel right after getting elected, plus the money, plus the serious media, and everything else I mentioned - I think these bonds are deeper and more personal for US politicians than, say, US-Egypt. AIPAC spending more money on a single primary, than both UK parties will spend on the entire election, to defeat one vulnerable Congressman, shows there is no political future in staking out an anti-Israel position. On the bottom-up side, censoring universities will reduce public pressure on politicians too.
Basically, I agree there are long-term trends that would rationally allow the US to dump them, but that AIPAC and the current US establishment are building in buffers that will last many decades.
Your point about Carter and Reagan (and also HW, who publicly called AIPAC a threat to national security) is interesting - I never thought of it as showing the process is reversible, but I guess it does. And the difference could be partly down to Oslo, happening soon after HW was voted out (Clinton in the campaign said HW's fight against the lobby "eroded the taboo against anti-Semitism"). Again, I could barely read words when Oslo happened, so for me, every piece of news on this has been with Oslo as the (unstated) background.
This is certainly true. I should state that I don’t fully accept Chomsky’s argument laid out above - I don’t see the cultural attachment of America to Israel quickly withering in significance in the event of a strategic fall-out between the two countries. Take two regional allies with arguably more raw strategic value to the US - Turkey and Saudi Arabia. The alliance with the US shields them from much scrutiny they might otherwise receive. And they have their own lobbies, and think tanks which they fund, to be wielded in certain contexts where their policies raise eyebrows in Washington. But while they could each spend a gazillion dollars a year flying US politicians to their cities (the Saudis already do), their cultural, historical, and emotional appeal is limited and simply does not resonate for most Americans at this moment - America just doesn’t care all that much about them.
The Palestinians obviously face an even greater challenge due to their perceived association with Islamist “terror” and other radical politics to go on top of their basic Arab/Muslim identity, always subject to orientalist dehumanization. Which is partly why I believe a shift in their approach to a civil rights movement rather than a national liberation movement may be worth pursuing - a simple message of “equality for all” I suspect has the potential to resonate with Americans far more than the prospect of adding yet another Arab/Muslim state to the map of the region. But like I said, I understand why they haven’t taken up this approach as of yet, and seem unlikely to do so going forward.
Just to add, we may be thinking in terms of different timeframes. I certainly had “decades” in mind rather than “a decade” when I wrote that post.
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I long for the day Israel is seen as a pariah state. And they deserve nothing less.
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"They also bombed a medical clinic where the director of emergency services was killed. Additionally, they targeted municipal employees responsible for providing water to Gaza's citizens. This morning, they bombed aid distribution centers in a refugee camp, and shortly thereafter, they bombed similar centers in the Bani Suheila area of Khan Younis, south of the Gaza Strip".
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Not only was used as a human shield, but also tortured, burned his back (for being on the hood of the car for a long time in the burning sun) and dehuminzed of course.
I look forward to the end of the cancer that is zionism.
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Very good interview.
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May Palestine be free
Guardian writers brain is incredibly stupid
The Jefferson picture in the background would almost be considered too much in a movie.Harbouring a war criminal. International law and everything.
The comments too.
“They have seduced the greater part of the tribes within our neighborhood, to take up the hatchet against us, and the cruel massacres they have committed on the women and children of our frontiers taken by surprise, will oblige us now to pursue them to extermination, or drive them to new seats beyond our reach". Thomas Jefferson
Could have been word for word said by an Israeli politician. While there are military and economic reasons as to why America has a close relationship with Israel. There is also a very fundamental connect between the two countries which is one form of colonisation recognising and helping another.
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Ooo think of the poor "scripture scholars" living off the state without any contribution...
Displaced people were burned alive in some shelter schools last night and 51 have been murdered since morning because of Israel's bombing.
Another starved kid was killed today by Israel because of malnutrition and aid distribution centres keep getting bombed.
They also killed Haniyah's 80-year-old sister along with her son and 7 grandchildren.
Another starved kid was killed today by Israel because of malnutrition and aid distribution centres keep getting bombed.
They also killed Haniyah's 80-year-old sister along with her son and 7 grandchildren.
What did Haniyah's 80 year old sister do? Did she plan the October attacks with Sinwar?
The US: "There is no genocide"
The UK: "There is no genocide"
Any virtue signalling Israeli apologist: "There is no genocide"
Meanwhile, every day a different Israeli minister:
Damn, didn't realize Ronay was a fecking zionist.Guardian writers brain is incredibly stupid
Just seen a video released by AJ showing leaked footage of the IOF using a dog to attack an elderly woman in her home. They really are brazen and sick.
I've seen it, I would not want to post it here. It is disgusting and these IDF soldiers are just depraved of anything human. If anyone want to see it, google it or twitter it.
Does anyone work with any IDF cnuts here in the UK?
I've read reports about some returning from Gaza after taking part in the genocide, and they just blend back into society.
I've read reports about some returning from Gaza after taking part in the genocide, and they just blend back into society.
There will be thousands of murderers living happy lives throughout europe when this is over.
I work with a few former IDF guys, but given the industry I'm in that's hardly a surprise.
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wtf
1) about as effective as asking if you're a terrorist on those visa application forms
2) why the feck is this a requirement to be german?
I'd hesitate to attribute political ideology. It's more to do with fecklessness.
I think his comments should be looked at in the context of mainstream liberal discourse, where morality is heavily reduced to aesthetic choices.
Palestinians are still not granted victim status by the liberal establishment, or amongst polite liberal society. Their suffering must be caveated and their struggle only depicted as one half of a larger conflict.
Liberal media like the bbc and guardian have had their pants pulled down over this issue, and exposed for their complete lack of moral clarity by social media platforms. They get stuck pontificating, hand ringing, equivocating about a child blown to bits by the idf, whereas tik tok will simply post the video of it happening.
This piece about Katherine Viner, helps explain the guardian's moral failings over Israel.
https://novaramedia.com/2024/03/12/how-the-guardians-editor-in-chief-caved-to-pro-israel-pressure/
https://novaramedia.com/2024/03/12/how-the-guardians-editor-in-chief-caved-to-pro-israel-pressure/
The thread about the lobby was closed, so this has to go here. You just have to admire their efficiency - constant vigilance for all dissenting media, and, of course, their success rate.
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Takes one genocidal country to know one.
Remove that, please. Or at least hide behind a spoiler warning.
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I know a bit of history, in all of Israel's wars, there has never been such destruction. Not Quneitra in '67, not the Dahiya quarter in 2006. Yes, yes. I'm not sorry to say it and I'm glad about it— they brought this on themselves. We are also helping them to start anew. A city of a million people, like Jerusalem, empty of people. This is more than the Nakba we "did to them" in '48. Yes, there are losses. And it hurts, but this is war. And yes, each one is a world unto himself, but this is the price we unfortunately have to pay to live safely in our neighborhood. For every one of ours, 1000 of theirs go!!! The eternal nation is not afraid of a long path.
Because they are one of the few countries in the world responsible directly for 2 genocide and complicit in a third. They have to back colonialism by enforcing it into laws.