Like I said yesterday there is only one way Erik can bury that abomination at Anfield. That's to win either Premier League or Champions League
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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I would have understood him being sacked, and also understand him staying. I think it's a reasonable decision all in all, especially when there aren't really any obvious managerial upgrades available to us at this time.
Hoping that the faith in him will be rewarded
Hoping that the faith in him will be rewarded
Apologies. The doom and gloom is just boring at his point.I'm not being a miserable sod?
I'm not going to lie and say I'm thrilled about us sticking with ETH obviously, but like I said I've moved on. I just don't want to see standards dropping even more to where we are sat excusing a poor 3rd season under a manager because of certain events. I've already said I'll be thrilled to be wrong if we came out of the gate looking transformed after this summer with fresh faces and a healthy squad playing great football.
Just having Martinez fit all season would probably have got the team an extra 10 points this season.
Imagine if Rashford scored an extra 10 league goals this season, he scored 7 and scored 17 last season.
Imagine if ETH was able to play Shaw, Martinez, Varane, Dalot at the back for 10 games in a row instead of the max of 2 -3 games at best.
For a team like ours, I don't think a lot is required to gain an extra 10 points. The best players just need to stay fit and gain a bit of form.
So who did people want to see appointed once Tuchel was firmly off the table then? Personally once he went I openly said I will back keeping the manager.
Yeah RDZ is a coinflip for me. Clearly a good technical/structural coach but he also seems extremely one dimensional in that he never seems to be able to adapt if teams are thwarting his plan A. I would have understood the logic if he was the choice but also wouldn't have been jumping for joy at the appointment.
Like I said last night and have been saying for ages. He has a veto. That’s why the proposed new contract is necessary.
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The problem with your post is its too structured for people to understand.
Injuries only affect other clubs, we should be able to play the a way to win the title even with multiple injuries, we are manutd, that is the standard...
Its not fans concern that Ten Hag used the youth and integrated youth, but when we get managers who don't use youth, they will have a go the other way.
When you play a season where your 18 year old who is meant to start the season is injured for 4 months in pre season, when your signing (Mount) is injured all season, when you rely on young players (Garnacho, Hojlund), you expect them to be consistent? I mean they are players in their 2nd and 3rd seasons, playing for a big club with expectations.
People say 1 injury to Licha and we finished? NO. When Lisandro got injured, Shaw and Malacia were injured, meaning that we are playing with 4 right footed players, when the manager has said multiple times for balance he needs a left footed LCB.
We have injuries all over the place, Casemiro, Maguire, AWB, Amrabat, Mainoo to add to the others.
Other teams have had multiple injuries and those teams have had bad seasons too. People underestimate the effects of consistent injuries.
Yeah those hammerings last season were concerning
Makes sense.
Exactly. That is my point, with a fully fit squad we would have got those extra 10 points.
I know it might sound like excuses but I recall at the start of last season, we were hard done by VAR alot in the opening few games. Alot of questionable VAR decisions went against us, lets not forget that too.
Fans are quick to point the VAR decision against Coventry which was offside but wont mention the AWB handball in the same game which was questionable.
I'm prepared to look past the results (for now), what worries me more is I can't understand how the style he's choosing to play is going to be successful, as well as his frequent delusional statements (such as not being worried by the team allowing almost as many shots as the worst side in PL history).
Anyway, here we are, not only retaining but extending a manager the board was so unsure of they took weeks to clarify whether he was getting sacked while more or less publicly pursuing several high profile replacements. Citing reasons that conspicuously omit the one that was now supposed to matter the most - fitting into a common club-wide vision of what sort of football to play, which no one clearly has any idea about. Heading into a summer of recruitment for which there is apparently little PSR space, and with no CEO or DoF in place. I mean, what's not to like.
Anyway, here we are, not only retaining but extending a manager the board was so unsure of they took weeks to clarify whether he was getting sacked while more or less publicly pursuing several high profile replacements. Citing reasons that conspicuously omit the one that was now supposed to matter the most - fitting into a common club-wide vision of what sort of football to play, which no one clearly has any idea about. Heading into a summer of recruitment for which there is apparently little PSR space, and with no CEO or DoF in place. I mean, what's not to like.
Yeah it's why I tried staying out of the thread in recent weeks as I'd find myself getting sucked back into the same boring arguments that everyone on either side has laid out for months. At this point the pressure falls on INEOS to really deliver some quality business (both buying and selling) in the market this summer because I don't think many on either side of the ETH debate are happy with how the entire thing has been handled. I want to see a change in how we go about our targets to really get some optimism back in me, us dithering Glazers style until August will REALLY set my mood back
I think he is a great tactical manager. He has proven it time and time again before joining United and during his first season. Last season was a freak occurance and I think he mistakenly thought that he could just instill the possession type philosophy he used in Ajax with the players we have just by forcing them to play it. Obviously it was a disaster. It doesn't work that way. The first season he played it very pragmatic after our trouncing in the beginning, but this season he persisted. I think we desperately need a couple of possession based players before we start to dominate teams. Too many players in this squad are wasteful and lethargic in order to recreate his Ajax side. Doesn't help that everyone from this squad is made of glass.
I didn't want either of those. Mckenna or Motta were my two top choices as I saw them as young up and coming managers with huge potential. Thought, INEOS would like to start their regime with someone like that who can build the team while they are building other aspects of the club.
But it is what it is. I hope both are in play and show their mettle with their respective clubs and are ready by the time we are looking for a new manager.
Out of the options left I was most intrigued by Thomas Frank. It's would've been a gamble but I believe he's a good coach.
Will believe it if Romano or Ornstein says this
It's been a known fact for ages... since the day Ineos stepped in the door
Erik ten Hag 'demands to retain the transfer veto written in his Man United contract' following Sir Jim Ratcliffe's 25 per cent takeover... with INEOS 'after both Dan Ashworth and Paul Mitchell in recruitment revamp'
And he had similar bizarre hammerings like that in the Serie A from time to time. Any manager that is unable to adjust or accept a bit of pragmatism will never become a top manager in my eyes, because the ability to adjust is vital to winning things/being a top team
Yes we need to complete some deals with very minimal fuss and not turn everything into a transfer saga but that's probably too much to askYeah it's why I tried staying out of the thread in recent weeks as I'd find myself getting sucked back into the same boring arguments that everyone on either side has laid out for months. At this point the pressure falls on INEOS to really deliver some quality business (both buying and selling) in the market this summer because I don't think many on either side of the ETH debate are happy with how the entire thing has been handled. I want to see a change in how we go about our targets to really get some optimism back in me, us dithering Glazers style until August will REALLY set my mood back
It’s a shambles, he’s clearly only still here he takes Sir Jim couldn’t fix it. He’s courted Tuchel , McKenna, Poch and god knows who else, they won’t come here so he’s got no real other choice but to stick with ETH
It’s a disgrace on a personal level for ETH, how must he feel after his jobs been whored out ? Sir Jim should just stick to bullying administrative staff and sacking them, I’m beginning to despise the “man”
We’ve got a new Ringmaster but the same old circus . . .
It’s a disgrace on a personal level for ETH, how must he feel after his jobs been whored out ? Sir Jim should just stick to bullying administrative staff and sacking them, I’m beginning to despise the “man”
We’ve got a new Ringmaster but the same old circus . . .
Whilst this may be true, who's the mythical manager who might be available if they have to pull the trigger on him in 6 months, or before? Or even next summer?
There are arguably two outstanding managers in world football currently, being Pep and Klopp, neither of whom are every likely to manage United. So, as usual in the manager market there's a host of potentially top class managers, all of whom will have red flags; either inexperience at the top level, or failures at a club. The situation will be the same next summer, and probably the summer after. Other clubs will take a punt on some of those managers, just like United did with Ten Hag. City may be in the market.
They may have made the right long term call in not going with one of the other candidates but the suggestion (albeit in the press) that they'd decided to sack him and have now changed their mind is concerning. If they're going to be a success they need to be decisive because football moves fast. All succesful clubs need to identify and appoint new managers from the same pool.
So what happens if he refuses to give up his veto? Back to the chopping block? I’d like to think it’s something that has been verbally agreed already otherwise we may as well just keep looking for a new manager.
For ten Hag, maybe. But not for the club. The whole "veto over transfers" approach is just emblematic of how dysfunctional we are.
In a well-run club, a situation in which the manager would make use of that power would not arise. Also not really for ten Hag either, because he's not going to solidify his position by setting himself against the transfer system the club wants to put in place. Get with the program here.
I do believe he has survived due to the fact none of the below were available
Guardiola
Klopp
Ancelotti
Alonso
Nagelsmann
Inzaghi
Simeone
Enrique
Hey man, if you can list more positives than his negatives, then we'll keep him
I'm not saying that it is. But if we need someone to help him tactically (and I mean IF), then maybe we need someone else altogether.
It's the same as it was with Solskjaer.
The past season might have something to do with it.
according to the athletic article, which is well sourced, they went as far as discussing financials with Tuchel and De Zerbi. I wonder what went wrong with either after that.
It's not a love for Real Madrid, just a reminder of where we used to be alongside them and people wanting to get back there.
INEOS are a company that makes chemicals. They are now running our club. How is this that much different from the Glazer's handing the reins to Woodward?
Hmmm interesting article
People are still refusing to believe.
There are literally 5 credible journalists all reporting it.
Thats up to you to decide, I dont count the Community shield as a trophy.
I dont get your point though.. Ole didnt win a trophy and he wasnt good enough either.
Thought article said they weren't sure about De Zerbi as a fit, in terms of Tuchel we will probably never know what put Utd off him or vice versa
They also have teams in sports, albeit not the sport we all love but what I am trying to say is the sports side of INEOS have good people in sports science etc. Marginal gains so I feel they will be much better handlers then the God damn Glazers rats and their lackey Woodward.
Yeah I have read through article now, very surprised that Tuchel didn't get appointed if it got as far as discussing financials. Nothing in that article mentions him not being happy with certain things so I wonder what made it break down.
They own two football clubs as well as the cycling and sailing teams don't they?