mu4c_20le
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75m for Zirkzee coming upHave we paid £21m for Amrabat yet
75m for Zirkzee coming upHave we paid £21m for Amrabat yet
Just hope they do good business this summer. I already know they won't be playing the quality of stuff they did in the Championship for obvious reasons, but if he keeps them up that will be a great sign.I shall be watching Ipswich at every available opportunity. He has a lot to prove in Premiership but think he will keep them up at least.
Acceptability is a concept tossed about far too freely on here by the more dramatic among us.Well, I'm not happy about ETH staying as it shows that it is now acceptable to finish 8th.
HOWEVER, there was a lack of suitable candidates, so I sort of understand where Ineos are coming from.
Anyway, let the transfer window now begin and we must build for next season, so we finish in the top 6.
Yeah I really think he's the one if you gave me a choice of any manager that will eventually take this club back to the top. But I also don't necessarily blame INEOS for not willing to hire him immediately out of the ChampionshipI am going to watch each and every game of theirs and hope he comes good on expectations. He is my great white hope for this club. Hopefully, the Ipswich owners are planning on an useful summer that helps this guy.
Yup, it's one of those classic Caf clichésJust like Solskjaer needed coaches better then McKenna and Carrick.
Complaining about the decision, figured that was pretty obvious given the context of the entire 3,000 page thread and events that transpired yesterday.So how will this non acceptance manifest if not just complaining?
You should write to the club, and spare us.
Everyone is. But maybe wait til it happens before being a miserable sod?Complaining about the decision, figured that was pretty obvious given the context of the entire 3,000 page thread and events that transpired yesterday.
Obviously if we are getting tonked by Ipswich in November I'm going to be fecking pissed
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Is blind optimism the only acceptable outlook then? Because I remember seeing very similar posts to yours made last summer during our disastrous preseason and transfer window.Everyone is. But maybe wait til it happens before being a miserable sod?
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A hunch really. Maclaren I believe is way past his sell by date and given all the issues we saw last year I'd want an assistant to have the balls to point out it just isn't working and we need to change formation (admittedly they may have tried it). I want our assistant to be someone who can step in and step up if needed.What is this assertion based on?
The problem is, the only other option was Southgate.450m wasted on garbage
8th placed finish
Negative goal difference after 38 games
Dead last in the CL group with 2 cannon fodder teams
Rushing players back and running them into the ground
Congrats to everyone who wanted this loser to stay. Enjoy the summer.
He really did. I still think if Berrada and Ashworth were in the building he would be gone.Tweet
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Survived by the skin of his teeth. Unconvincing from INEOS.
No, it's not necessarily blind optimism. Lots of the whining is done with no access to the data. People pissed at Ineos with no idea what they are dealing with. People bemoaning the state of the club for years and expecting some magic wand to fix everything. I use football as an escape. We had a shit league season, won the FA Cup in the most enjoyable manner possible and undeservedly fluked into the Europa League. Martinez and Shaw are both back from injury. We will add 2 or 3 players. The manager has had one awful season in the last 10. We have more reasons to be optimistic than 99% of football fans.Is blind optimism the only acceptable outlook then? Because I remember seeing very similar posts to yours made last summer during our disastrous preseason and transfer window.
I reckon we could pay a lot more than that for him if we negotiate thoroughly until the last few days of the transfer window.Have we paid £21m for Amrabat yet
Will they sack him for finishing say 5th in 2025 and 2026?Does it? I think if you look at it objectively it doesn't say that at all. You need to consider all the factors when assessing the decision.
Forgot 2 trophies in 2 seasons.450m wasted on garbage
8th placed finish
Negative goal difference after 38 games
Dead last in the CL group with 2 cannon fodder teams
Rushing players back and running them into the ground
Congrats to everyone who wanted this loser to stay. Enjoy the summer.
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The most unconvincing people in all of this would appear to be the managers spoken to by INEOS. If there was an outstanding candidate then they would have pulled the trigger. Too many red flags between them.Tweet
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Survived by the skin of his teeth. Unconvincing from INEOS.
Sounds like they just couldn't agree terms with Tuchel.The most unconvincing people in all of this would appear to be the managers spoken to by INEOS. If there was an outstanding candidate then they would have pulled the trigger. Too many red flags between them.
Just read the article. Some interesting insights. We were closest to appointing Tuchel.Tweet
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Survived by the skin of his teeth. Unconvincing from INEOS.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5543044/2024/06/12/erik-ten-hag-manchester-united-why-not-sacked/
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All of a sudden, journalists who 48hrs ago, didn’t know anything now know the inside story.Tweet
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Survived by the skin of his teeth. Unconvincing from INEOS.
I suspect they realised they’d also be negotiating the terms of his departure within a two year window. His coaching credentials are obvious; so too is his lack of suitability at this point. Overall, I think he’s a headache best avoided.Sounds like they just couldn't agree terms with Tuchel.
I think several factors may have been underestimated: difference between PL and Eredivisie not just in quality but also style, as well as how different it is to manage a vastly dominant team in a weak league vs merely one of competitors in a strong league (you can get away with much less). It's quite obvious now that ETH is lacking in certain areas tactically and also does not have enough knowledge about the league so it's in club's best interest to address that by hiring people who can help him with that.But wasn't his coaching ability supposed to be a big part of what we signed him in the first place?...
Yeah worrying that they've let one game have so much sway. Not a good idea.Just read the article. Some interesting insights. We were closest to appointing Tuchel.
Still don't understand the process though - sounds like the decision had been made to sack him. Then fan sentiment after the FA Cup win seemed to change their minds. So we made this decision on one game and ignored the rest of the campaign?
Also I'm curious to know who came up with the tactical tweaks in the last 2 league games + FA Cup Final. Cause the article makes it sound like the shift to that 4-2-2-2 formation didn't come from ETH.
All factors ok cool.Does it? I think if you look at it objectively it doesn't say that at all. You need to consider all the factors when assessing the decision.
I'd say that if he hasn't got those abilities, then he should be replaced by someone who does rather than bringing in someone to hold his hand.I think several factors may have been underestimated: difference between PL and Eredivisie not just in quality but also style, as well as how different it is to manage a vastly dominant team in a weak league vs merely one of competitors in a strong league (you can get away with much less). It's quite obvious now that ETH is lacking in certain areas tactically and also does not have enough knowledge about the league so it's in club's best interest to address that by hiring people who can help him with that.
It’s cool if you want to list the bad times but I’m sure I could list games too where we’ve beat teams who are currently better then us or where we played well too.Did you, and the rest of the people that desperately want him to stay, forget the absolute travesty of a season he just served up?
Like, did yous just blank out:
4 - 0 v Palace
1 - 1 v Burnley
3 (4) - 3 (2) v Coventry - after winning 3 - 0 at half time and not losing in the final minutes by the virtue of VAR.
2 - 2 v Bournemouth
4 - 3 v Chelsea (after winning in the 90th minute only to end up losing)
1 - 1 v Brentford (scoring in the 90+ minutes only to immediately concede)
1 - 2 v Fulham
0 - 3 v Bournemouth
0 - 1 v Crystal Palace
1 - 3 v Brighton
Or the absolute disastrous Champions League campaign.
Or being dumped out of the League Cup 0 - 3 at home to Newcastle.
Or struggling to beat Newport in the FA Cup.
These results alone should have seen him go months ago.
But wait there's more you must have blanked out:
9 games lost at Old Trafford.
14 PL games lost this season.
19 games lost in all competitions.
85 goals conceded in all competitions.
58 goals conceded in the PL.
57 goals scored in the PL.
Negative goal difference.
Lowest ever position finish in the PL.
Highest number of shots faced in a PL season.
Bottom of our CL group.
You can't chalk all of this up to "injuries". The buck stops with him. Do you think that's all going to suddenly change next season?
I feel like I'm in the bloody Twilight Zone.
Mourinho won 3 trophies(the community shield is also a trophy,no?) in one season and still turned out to be crap. INEOS have proved to be miniGlazers but with more bureaucracy. Even a team like Nice is just another yo-yo club.Forgot 2 trophies in 2 seasons.
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Survived by the skin of his teeth. Unconvincing from INEOS.
Really? You dont think we can improve by 10 points?Top 4 went to 68 points this season but generally I think you need 70+ points for 4th so we will need to improve by 10+ points which seems very unlikely to me
Yeah I'm pretty disappointed to be honest, but he's still here and we can't change that now. So I will support him and the team and keep my fingers crossed that he turns it around and succeeds.I was firmly in the Ten Hag out camp. What I saw last season was unacceptable by any metric, injuries be damned. Atrocious tactics, atrocious everything pretty much.
But the decision has been taken and I don’t intend to spend this season dissecting it and crowing every time we have a setback.
the ideal scenario now is that he succeeds. Egos don’t matter. We’ve all planted our flag in the sand, and now it’s time to get behind him and hope that he rewards the faith shown in him. We all want a successful Man Utd. I only wanted him out because I didn’t think he was the man to provide that, but now he’s staying, I will only be hoping he proves me wrong.
There’s no point carrying this division into the season and making this place toxic. I know this plea is like trying to stem a tsunami with an umbrella, but if we spend all season bickering over this decision, this place will become completely intolerable. If it isn’t already.
Several players have visibly improved under him regardless of this season. Dalot, Garnacho, Mainoo, Hojlund, Amad, McTominay. It's not all doom and gloom.But wasn't his coaching ability supposed to be a big part of what we signed him in the first place?...
why? They’d just put a clause in his contract that would be in our favor if he is dismissed.Now that would be incredibly stupid but I doubt INEOS are that idiotic. Surely they'll wait until winter before handing out a contract?
I'm not being a miserable sod?Everyone is. But maybe wait til it happens before being a miserable sod?