This would be an excellent outcome and will massively help us with the rebuild if we can pull it off. Greenwood is an academy product and any fee we can get for him will be pure profit from a PSR perspective. The incentives for a sale are strong.
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Also, hopefully helps in reset of our culture by getting rid of problematic characters.
Agreed.
Just listened to Klopp saying “we don’t carry problems here”, which is the right attitude
When the majority of the world struggles and underachieves, you've got people like Greenwood. Blessed with incredible talent. He could have been a real role model, pisses me off so much, I'll be glad to see the back of him. To a lesser extent of being a shitbag, Pogba, Lingard and Morrison! Where did we go wrong.
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The club is partly to blame. The club culture is very bad. We have endless problematic players.
During SAF time, everything was controlled, disciplined and motivated. SAF knows how to manage each and every players and even spend his time with academy players.
It was always us against the world. Everyone need to be focus and on their toes to be the best they can and against all odds to fight the world.
Nowadays the players complain about double training sessions, going home after dark, need leave to clear headspace during the season, mental issues, drinking/party problem, spend more time on social medias, come back unfit and bad shape in pre-season, refuse to run and press and on and on.
I was playing efootball just before I thought I saw Mason Greenwood as one of the players on the intro screen. That's a bit interesting.
I find it hard to put flying Kung Fu kicks at a fan into the disciplined team category!
Roy keane got arrested for assaulting someone I think.
Ryan Giggs with his brothers wife
Ra'vel Morrison's escapades
I mean there are more, to think there wasn't player issues when Fergie was here is rose tinted
There was probably just as much but Fergie kept it under wraps a lot more which was easier back then also with no social media and his iron grip on the club.
Also people didn't care because we were mostly winning and now well we're not so the club must be rotten to the core, rather than people will just be people and young players now with wages and social media etc are much more entitled and in the spotlight
Keane was indeed arrested in 1999 over an incident in which he himself was injured. However, the bar staff testified Keane's 'victim' was the aggressor, and had been asked to leave on various occasions before hassling Keane.
Giggs having an affair with his brother's wife is awful conduct, but not illegal. Nowhere near as bad as Greenwood's indiscretions. I appreciate Giggs is now on trial, but these refer to allegations made after he left United's playing/coaching staff.
As for Morrison, he was quickly removed from the club and never made the most of his talent.
No, it's because what Greenwood did is utterly reprehensible and should not be tolerated by the club.
Nothing to do with the club's wider fortunes, social media, anybody's age, society, 'the world' or failed whataboutery.
Nah, the case was dropped.
Whatever happens I really hope it isn't another full season loan, so the decision keeps hanging over the club for another year.
Ideally we manage to sell him though, and the level he has shown at Getafe seems to be pretty good, so hopefully we can get something meaningful for him.
Ideally we manage to sell him though, and the level he has shown at Getafe seems to be pretty good, so hopefully we can get something meaningful for him.
Fergie moved Morrison on so that he could have a fresh start away from Manchester, despite him being our most promising academy player in a long long time.
I am pretty sure Ravel was offered a new contract by us but wanted to leave to get first team football and that is why we sold him before his contract ran down.
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Apart of me feel happy that this unwanted saga it's going to end and we may get a decent fees for him (approx. 20-30M hopefully). However, we will definitely miss him. I think he is going to develop into a very good striker. What he has been through for such a young chap was difficult for his family and him. Hope they will have a good new start. Wish them all the best.
Personally, I like him as IMO he is the best young striker we have produced after so long but unfortunately it ended this way.
You can’t seriously feel sorry for him?
Take a low fee but have a huge sell on percentage inserted.
Eh...why not?
No fergie has spoken publicly about doing what he considered best for him
You are sure that we never offered him a new contract and he was the one that wanted to leave?
We may have done, I don’t remember that bit. But i remember Fergie said some time later that it broke his heart to sell him but he felt that he needed to get him out of Manchester for his own good. He was running with a bad crowd outside of football. Morrison himself has since spoken about if he could he would go back and change 90% of his life
is eerily similar actually to Greenwood’s situation. This was all before United and him parted ways:
In early 2011, Morrison received a 12-month referral order and was ordered to pay £1,445 in costs and compensation after admitting two counts of witness intimidation.[80] After an assault charge was dropped when Morrison's girlfriend refused to testify, he was convicted of criminal damage for throwing her mobile phone out of a window and advised to undergo domestic violence counselling.In February 2012, Morrison was involved in controversy after posting a homophobic threat on Twitter, responding to criticism by calling another user a "faggot".He was charged under FA rule E3, which governs use of abusive and/or insulting words including reference to a person's sexual orientation, and accepted his guilt. He was fined £7,000.
after leaving United he was charged with assaulting his girlfriend and her mother. I think that went to court and he was found not guilty.
but it seems to me Fergie knew his character was flawed and thought by getting him away from his “friends” he was doing him good. Gary Neville even offered to let him come and live with him. Imagine how he may have turned out instead.
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If so is the case then that’s because there’s no buyers for him, no club willing to take the risk, and I assume the club will then just let him leave when his contract expires next summer.
I’m guessing the club don’t have the legal grounds to release him without paying severance now but they won’t have that restriction next summer.
True, I didn't actually realize his contract expires next year already. That's good I guess. At least we will definitely be able to get rid of him in a year.
This is an article from back in the day;
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...MQFnoECCEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3yK_ETD-4Nhgc9Ih99y6m9
Like I say it’s possible that we’re both correct
Well...
Different times, for one thing.
(Also, if something like that had happened today, it would've been a shit storm - yes, but there wouldn't have been an overwhelming consensus that Cantona should be banned forever because he "kicked a fan". Because...that wasn't what happened. He didn't kick a random fan - he kicked a piece of shit who in many peoples' opinion back then deserved to be kicked. And the "deserved" aspect of it (the fan's obvious bigotry) would have been much more highlighted in this day and age.)
But the way Fergie generally dealt with Cantona is proof of his managerial genius more than anything. He treated Cantona differently, but got away with it: the other players didn't feel that Cantona was undeservedly put on a pedestal, there was no animosity towards Cantona because of any perceived "special" status. Cantona was special (not your regular footballer in terms of personality and whatnot), and overall this was accepted. Partly - of course - because Cantona himself wasn't an asshole. But mainly because Fergie knew how to play his squad like so many different strings.
£20m for him would be a pretty bad deal for us. I know he only got 10 goals for Getafe, but he was playing more as a wide midfield player than his usual forward role. Up front in a better team he'll get 20+ goals a season pretty easily.
Lets see how about the fact he's a vile woman beating scumbag who really should be in prison?
Speaking of Ravel is he still at DC United?
Would seem like a better destination for him than Getafe, although I would imagine Italian clubs won't pay what we want, which may result in another loan.
At this point you have to be on the wind up. Your use of the word 'unfortunate' seems to imply that he had no choice other than to (allegedly) violently assault his partner and is now being unjustly vilified. 'What he has been through'...fecking hell. He brought it on himself.
Well, obviously the low price is not just a reflection of his talents but largely of the bad rep he comes with.
I think the conundrum so far as his ability goes is that he won’t impress in an average team like Getafe but then better teams won’t carry him like Getafe have been willing to do. Mason gets away with jogging about and being a passenger out of possession and no big club would allow that. I would be impressed if we got 20M for him at this point.
Getafe definitely haven't been carrying him. They simply didn't utilize him much for a large chunk of the first part of the season and instead opted to build their attacks down the left flank. As for jogging about, its no different than when he was scoring goals here and not dissimilar to the likes of Rashford's demeanor when the opposition are in possession.
I don’t disagree with that but then we would be lucky to get 20M for Rashford right now and he has at least accomplished a whole lot more. The truth is there are just a handful of clubs that can pay more than 20M for a player and they are not going to be interested based on what he is showing right now and that is without the added factor of the risk his private life represents.
Mad comment.