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Villa should have had two or three pens.

Easy. If you follow the rules they have set during season.

11 minutes into the game and AstonVilla could have two penalties. Sosa blatant push on Watkins and few minutes later there was a holding after corner that was even more obvious than what ManCity got rewarded against us. But then I remember that we have other rules against us.

 

[90 + 5min]

It’s fairly mental to call it weak, if you try jumping while someone is holding your arm you won’t get very far. No idea why people struggle so badly to take into considerations the actual effects. Shoulder to shoulder on the pitch is one thing, but it’s piss easy to have a big impact on the ability to jump for a ball by going into the body and fecking up their balance, which even slight nudges can do. Holding the arm of the goalkeeper to prevent him going for a ball is such an obvious foul it’s actually bizarre to suggest otherwise.

The only thing to take into consideration here is if the first situation warrants a penalty to Villa or not. In terms of it being a new phase since Sheffield have had the opportunity to clear it, no idea really.

I'm not going to call it weak but are we cant ignore two things here which referees and VAR clearly failed.

1. Goal didn't happen in same situation as goalkeeper was held. Sheffield hade every opportunity to clear the ball but did so poorly. Couple of times. They had full control over the ball. How many sequences should this go before you decide that we can't go back and give freekick? Can we go back after 10 minutes? After 45 minutes and take away goals, penalties and so on.

2. If you talk about goalkeeper being held, you must talk about Villa player being almost wrestled in the same time at same place. Why wouldn't that be given penalty?

 

[NotChatGPT]

It shouldn't be disallowed, because the first foul is on the Villa player, who then impacts the keeper, who I would still say was weak there, he should be able to get away from that situation before the contact.

But as usual with VAR they just look for a reason to disallow the goal.

If the first foul doesn’t warrant a penalty then it really doesn’t matter, it doesn’t nullify the clear foul on the goalkeeper.

I'm not going to call it weak but are we cant ignore two things here which referees and VAR clearly failed.

1. Goal didn't happen in same situation as goalkeeper was held. Sheffield hade every opportunity to clear the ball but did so poorly. Couple of times. They had full control over the ball. How many sequences should this go before you decide that we can't go back and give freekick? Can we go back after 10 minutes? After 45 minutes and take away goals, penalties and so on.

2. If you talk about goalkeeper being held, you must talk about Villa player being almost wrestled in the same time at same place. Why wouldn't that be given penalty?

I agree that the only thing interesting is if they should award it based on Sheffield having control and then losing the ball again, which is actually an interesting discussion rather than debating if the foul on the goalkeeper is a freekick or not, which it obviously is. A couple of times is a stretch, they didn’t have full control until Baldock (?) got the ball and lost it trying to counter attack, which is about 10 seconds after the goalkeeper was fouled.

 

[Berbaclass]

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[RedRocket9908]

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Never a 2nd yellow, unfortunately VAR cant overturn 2nd yellows though.

 

[Berbaclass]

Never a 2nd yellow, unfortunately VAR cant overturn 2nd yellows though.

I'm aware yes.

 

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Feel sorry for Nottingham there. Referee is not giving them anything. Shockingly bad.

 

[MackRobinson]

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That's an abysmal red card. Sliding tackles are about to be outlawed.

 

[sebsheep]

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Who's reffing that one?

 

[HackeyC]

Who's reffing that one?

I'm assuming a blind man

 

[Doracle]

Never a 2nd yellow, unfortunately VAR cant overturn 2nd yellows though.

Which, of course, is a nonsense in itself.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

The penalty not given in this Liverpool game is scandalous honestly. Literally zero reason to explain this decision

 

[Red Star One]

Let’s see if Arteta calls that blasphemy and goes mental

 

[RedRocket9908]

The penalty not given in this Liverpool game is scandalous honestly. Literally zero reason to explain this decision

Which one?

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

Which one?

Odegaard handball

 

[RedRocket9908]

Odegaard handball

Ive only seen a still shot of that one and it looked like he was falling with his arm in a natural position but I saw the TAA one on the telly and that one looked like it was shoulder to shoulder to me so no pen.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Ive only seen a still shot of that one and it looked like he was falling with his arm in a natural position but I saw the TAA one on the telly and that one looked like it was shoulder to shoulder to me so no pen.

Best angle about halfway through video

https://x.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1738668041297174799?s=20

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The penalty not given in this Liverpool game is scandalous honestly. Literally zero reason to explain this decision

100% a penalty

 

[Pexbo]

100% a penalty

Fantastic

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Fantastic

Wut?

 

[FortunaUtd]

I think this might be the worst decision I have ever seen. A player actually reaching down to grab the very ball on the ground. How can this happen? If this happened to us I would want us to refuse to come out for the second half, honestly, what is the point.

 

[Ekkie Thump]

Blatant penalty:

Spoiler: gif

Edit: Looks like another obvious handball was missed in the Forest Bournemouth game too. VAR couldn't confirm it was in the area.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Blatant penalty:

Spoiler: gif

Edit: Looks like another obvious handball was missed in the Forest Bournemouth game too. VAR couldn't confirm it was in the area.

That's absolutely shocking. Even my hatred for Liverpool can't stop my eyes from seeing how blatant that is.

 

[WeePat]

Blatant penalty:

Spoiler: gif

Somehow he had his hand on the ball for a good couple of seconds there. Insane decision.

 

[Pexbo]

Wut?

Odegaard?

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Yes we ask for cards for Salah and Nunez only because Dalot was given TWO cards. If Dalot was given just one card, no one would be talking about Nunez or Salah even though it would have been justified to ask.

The problem is the referee didn't "jump" only on one side. He keeps jumping towards a different side to a similar situation in the same game. That's where the problem is.

If you watched the Liverpool - Arsenal game today, Liverpool were at it again. Salah showed obvious dissent a couple times = no booking, cynical professional fouls = no booking, obvious diving = no booking. Klopp going fecking mental on the touch line, berating the officials = no card. I think it's the baying of the Anfield crowd that gets to the referee. In both our game and this one, Liverpool got treated with kid gloves.

 

[Gio]

One of those that slow motion makes it look deliberate, whereas in real time it’s accidental. Even then it would’ve still been given as a handball with the old pre-2018 rule, and barely up for debate under the more stringent rules in place now.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Never a 2nd yellow, unfortunately VAR cant overturn 2nd yellows though.

I'm aware yes.

the PGMOL could do themselves a favor and reverse/end this rule. If they can re-officiate actions, they can see when yellows were wrongly awarded. They want it so that the "truth" is shown on VAR but we just have soldier on if it goes against us. feck them and feck VAR, by the way.

 

[Samid]

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[Pughnichi]

The state of var and refs is embarassing

that boly one especially. Manager should just walk his team off after a decision as bad as that. Unbelievable.

 

[Mb194dc]

The sooner VAR is scrapped the better, at worst the threshold for intervention should be raised massively so it's only used for things like Thatcher’s foul on Pedro Mendes. So about once a season if that.

It ruins the flow of the game, it's inconsistently applied, ruins goals celebrations. For offside, it's not even accurate because of the limited FPS in capturing exactly when the ball is kicked, better off just going with daylight margin of error and accepting there will be the odd mistake. Football was not designed for digital refereeing and it doesn't work, ruining the spectacle whilst still having numerous unfair decisions, things that are reviewed in one game and not another, not even to mention the outright mistakes.

I enjoyed our game in the League cup v Newcastle much more knowing no VAR. They should pull the plug from next season.

 

[njred]

The state of var and refs is embarassing

that boly one especially. Manager should just walk his team off after a decision as bad as that. Unbelievable.

Sooner or later this is what I want to see. If the match is unwinnable and a terrible decision is made by VAR, I would love to see a mgr take his team off.

 

[SilentWitness]

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Apparently the refs told Dyche that it wasn't given as they both had hands on each other.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The sooner VAR is scrapped the better, at worst the threshold for intervention should be raised massively so it's only used for things like Thatcher’s foul on Pedro Mendes. So about once a season if that.

It ruins the flow of the game, it's inconsistently applied, ruins goals celebrations. For offside, it's not even accurate because of the limited FPS in capturing exactly when the ball is kicked, better off just going with daylight margin of error and accepting there will be the odd mistake. Football was not designed for digital refereeing and it doesn't work, ruining the spectacle whilst still having numerous unfair decisions, things that are reviewed in one game and not another, not even to mention the outright mistakes.

I enjoyed our game in the League cup v Newcastle much more knowing no VAR. They should pull the plug from next season.

That was such a breath of fresh air. Offsides made in the moment. The way they should be. Instantaneous (and almost always correct) decisions made in real time. So insane we deliberately sabotaged such a basic element of watching football for all this shite.

 

[Flying high]

The sooner VAR is scrapped the better, at worst the threshold for intervention should be raised massively so it's only used for things like Thatcher’s foul on Pedro Mendes. So about once a season if that.

It ruins the flow of the game, it's inconsistently applied, ruins goals celebrations. For offside, it's not even accurate because of the limited FPS in capturing exactly when the ball is kicked, better off just going with daylight margin of error and accepting there will be the odd mistake. Football was not designed for digital refereeing and it doesn't work, ruining the spectacle whilst still having numerous unfair decisions, things that are reviewed in one game and not another, not even to mention the outright mistakes.

I enjoyed our game in the League cup v Newcastle much more knowing no VAR. They should pull the plug from next season.

I agree with all of this.

We should have automatic offside and out of play systems, as soon as they can be proven reliable and consistant. Scrap the rest of it, it adds little and takes away far too much.

 

[Pughnichi]

Fixed easily if

we play 70 mins and a clock is stopped every time the ball is out of play. Take the time keeping away from on pitch officials

offside is from the feet. It’s what you run with to get anywhere on the field. Drop the shoulder, knee, nose fringe nonsense…And yes I understand you can score with a head or a knee but it’s not too often (if at all) from a stood stationary position

VAR is clearly not working so either bin it, or with the amount of money invested so they won’t want to back down (through stubbornness and admitting it’s wank) each team has 1 appeal per game…or half. If a team wants to call it in, they throw down a flag (like NFL) or tap a big feckin red button that makes the refs watch vibrate…then it goes to VAR

Done. Simple

 

[Berbaclass]

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[GazTheLegend]

That's absolutely shocking. Even my hatred for Liverpool can't stop my eyes from seeing how blatant that is.

Yeah that's an astonishingly bad decision.

The one in the spurs Everton game as well, atrocious officiating once more, seems like the penalty they gave to City against us is the only time that's going to happen all season after all too.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

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Seems like this is a weekly occurrence these days. The standard of officiating in this league is in the gutter, an absolute disgrace for the so called best league in the world.

 

[One Night Only]

Seems like this is a weekly occurrence these days. The standard of officiating in this league is in the gutter, an absolute disgrace for the so called best league in the world.

I agree the refereeing is shite, but the teams and players have themselves to blame for being cheating pricks, diving, moaning, throwing imaginary cards about, time wasting.

Commentators don't help, "that's great work to win the penalty" by putting their bodies in unnatural positions. "clever, he knew what he was doing" on a player diving and making the most of anything to get another player sent off.

There needs to be much harsher punishments for players trying to cheat.