Criticise Ed all you want but Mourinho and Ole were desperate for him.
So much so he was made captain before ink even dried on his contract.
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Maguire | he stays!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
So much so he was made captain before ink even dried on his contract.
Yeah but it’s not West Ham’s fault we overpaid, we may just have to take the hit. Anywhere between 20 and 30 probably a good deal for all parties, and I can see it getting done. Obviously I’d rather it was the higher end, but I just want him gone now.
Yeah I think they’ll go up to 25m if we really tried, but if we want Hojlund and Amrabat in place before the start of the season we may need to just take it. Assuming that’s how these things work, and we couldn’t just sell Maguire afterwards, that is.
I guess Spurs in as a second player in the pursuit of Harry is the key to whether we get a decent fee or not.
If what you’re saying is true, we’d already have multiple offers.
My concern is that if £20m is the max anyone is willing to pay, we should take it.
In a year’s time, we would have a 31 year old CB the coach doesn’t want, on 230k a week, that’s worth no more than £10m and would have cost £10m+ in wages.
We have no leverage here.
If West Ham increase their bid, we will be lucky.
In a year’s time, we would have a 31 year old CB the coach doesn’t want, on 230k a week, that’s worth no more than £10m and would have cost £10m+ in wages.
We have no leverage here.
If West Ham increase their bid, we will be lucky.
Twenty million in this market is taking the piss but if we get an offer of thirty million pounds or thereabouts then we should sell. There is no point in holding out for a bigger fee and then have to keep him for far longer when he adds little value to the side and his importance, as third choice RCB, is easy to replace. I'd hazard its cheaper to sell him for thirty million and sign a younger CB for forty million on a hundred grant per week in wages - that's close to what we got Licha for.
Very good post! Idiots on here will still insist we should get 30-40m though. "But, but England international" and "but, but market inflation."
Posters on here don't seem to know when we should cut our losses. Strange considering our history with the likes of Bailly, Lingard, Darmian, Romero, Rojo etc. Maguire will be worth a lot less next summer and will cost a lot of money sat on the bench.
Except £20M isn't the maximum fee. It's a starting offer that we were absolutely right to reject.
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Ok, well I'm so sorry. We save £800k per month or £9.6m per year.
Saudi Arabia called for him. We can get a good deal for Maguire only if a S Arabia club calls. With his meme reputation, that is unlikely to happen.
Koulibaly had a terrible season but overall on his career, he was far better than Maguire. He also was not a meme. And we are already getting offered more than what Koulibaly went for.
Come on now. Pau Torres just went to Villa for 31.5m, Nathan Collins went to Brentford for 23m pounds. Both on lower wages approaching their prime in their early to mid 20s.
Has another 30years old defender on ridiculous wages moved for 30-40m pounds lately? Who is also not wanted by the club..
So we are due to pay him circa 30m in wages over the next three seasons and people are clamouring for a £40m transfer fee! If no other bidder comes we should take whatever their third official bid is and get rid. In my post above I argue that its more economic to take a £30m bid for him and sign a younger CB on a £100k/week than it is to forgo a fee and keep him. If we don't sell him this summer then next season we will be giving him away a la Sanchez.
Well there are many things to consider.
High wages being an obvious one, way above his value.
No sell on value.
Very little demand for him, just not much interest for him.
If we don't sell him he's costing us money and losing value.
Clubs know we want rid badly.
We won't get more than £30 imo, we might be lucky to get that.
On a side note anyone mentioning that he's an England player, irrelevant, they either want him or they don't, playing for England doesn't make a difference.
His marketing value is terrible.
High wages being an obvious one, way above his value.
No sell on value.
Very little demand for him, just not much interest for him.
If we don't sell him he's costing us money and losing value.
Clubs know we want rid badly.
We won't get more than £30 imo, we might be lucky to get that.
On a side note anyone mentioning that he's an England player, irrelevant, they either want him or they don't, playing for England doesn't make a difference.
His marketing value is terrible.
The preoccupation with age and resale value is hilarious 
He’s 30 FFS, defenders can play well into their mid 30’s.
So we’re absolutely right to demand £40m for him. WH can feck off, the cheap cockney Mark Noble loving cnuts.
He’s 30 FFS, defenders can play well into their mid 30’s.
So we’re absolutely right to demand £40m for him. WH can feck off, the cheap cockney Mark Noble loving cnuts.
You can demand what you want but the market determines what he goes for, and whoever buys him won't get jack shit for him if they try to sell.The preoccupation with age and resale value is hilarious
He’s 30 FFS, defenders can play well into their mid 30’s.
So we’re absolutely right to demand £40m for him. WH can feck off, the cheap cockney Mark Noble loving cnuts.
At the time he was considered a good signing based on his form at Leicester and the England team. It wasn't just the club and team management, a lot of the fans (including plenty of people on this forum) rated him. For whatever reason, his confidence has looked shot for a long while.
Rejecting 20m bid was right. 35-40m is decent price considering FFP regulations
It really should be a question of: does he improve the team? The answer is no. Whatever his skill level and skill set might be, it’s not what we need. All the public perception and playing for England blah blah blah means nothing. He was in the team for a few years, we were terrible, and now we are building a new team with a new style - and he’s surplus to requirements.
And Harry is in no rush at all. If he can't get a move to a club on the top-half of the PL table this summer, he can sit on his contract, knowing that by December 2024 he will be able to negotiate as a free player the last big contract of his career. If he's willing to go so that he can play football, i'd take anything close to 25 million. Even better, should a bigger offer arrive. But if the opportunity is there, playing tough and demanding other clubs to compensate us for our unsuccessful choices will be just another bad call in a hand already played badly.
That's how I see it. And I suspect that everyone know that you are right but people are also stuck with the price that we paid or the price that someone else paid for a totally different player in a totally different context. I don't mind the idea of trying to get more but 20m is a good starting point.
If United offered 20m to West Ham for the current version of Maguire, people wouldn't be happy, they would question the club's scouts, Murtough, Fletcher and ETH.
But… £20 million! I don’t think you’d even get a Championship level defender for that much.
It’s an insulting offer to gauge how desperate we are to sell, I think they’ll be back.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66342755
Just because I saw it today. His wages are much lower, he has resale value.
We will get £30m for him eventually. For all the shit we give him he will instantly be the best defender in a team like West Ham.
As others have mentioned, that's not exactly true, he's on a similar level to their current defenders.
If up to some on here we’d let half the squad go for free just because they’re on high wages.
£20M is a joke of an offer, minimum has to be £30. Most including me say we are terrible at selling players but we can’t just give them away. It looks like we are trying to get better at not being fleeced when we buy players and equally we have to try and get as much as possible for decent players when we sell them. Maguire is a top half PL player, he would be a great asset for a team like West Ham who have landed the lottery by getting £105M for Rice. If they don’t want him that much, walk away, I’d rather keep him and play him in the cups irrelevant of his wages. We are shifting other players out who’ll play even less so all good.
Saudi’s will come in for him next year and he’ll leave if he’s only playing a handful of games for us.
£20M is a joke of an offer, minimum has to be £30. Most including me say we are terrible at selling players but we can’t just give them away. It looks like we are trying to get better at not being fleeced when we buy players and equally we have to try and get as much as possible for decent players when we sell them. Maguire is a top half PL player, he would be a great asset for a team like West Ham who have landed the lottery by getting £105M for Rice. If they don’t want him that much, walk away, I’d rather keep him and play him in the cups irrelevant of his wages. We are shifting other players out who’ll play even less so all good.
Saudi’s will come in for him next year and he’ll leave if he’s only playing a handful of games for us.
Better let him go for free if £30 is all you want.
If what you say is even close to being correct, we will see top half teams making bids for him, and West Ham will clearly make higher and higher bids.
I think it’s easy to down play the quality of your own players to a point where they’d not even make your local Sunday team. He’d still be a very good player for some other teams.
If his salary is the biggest problem why doesn't United try to make him accept a lower salary and pay him the difference if he leaves? Give him an additional 5M and be done with it?
It’s not an insult. They want to buy our 5th choice CB. We don’t need him. We drop out number, like £40m and meet in the middle, £30m (including add-ons).
Then the bids will come. It's not down to us at the end of the day, his value is determined by the market.
If we are downplaying how good he is, the market will show we are wrong.
35 million at least, even 30 feels a bit cheap, he's an England starter and you see far more bang average defenders get sold for more than that
I’ve already said it depends on how much they really want him, if they do, they will, if not they’ll get someone from Europe who’ll not be as good. Up to them.
You do realise that bottom half teams buy better players to get into the top half? I’d put money on him playing for a top half team for the next couple of years.
£20M is an initial ‘feeling out’ bid at best, West Ham know we’ll not sell him for that.
Agreed. And if we don’t get one that matches our valuation we keep him and utilise him as we see fit.
And how much they want him and what other options there are is what we call the market, and determines his value.
If they can go elsewhere for a player for what they consider a better deal, then that suggests he's overpriced.
Just had a look in the west-ham forum. KUMB. Posters there are very keen to take McTominay but they dont want Maguire. His regular mistakes don't go unnoticed. Id accept £25mil for him and save £20mil on his wages for the next 2 years.
A better player for £20M than an England international with the experience he has, I’d like someone to show me those players.
l know how the ‘market’ works, one part is not selling at a lower price than you think your asset if worth. They offer £20M we seem to want £40M so let’s try at least to get them or someone to £30M.
You think he’s worth £20M or less, I think more, let’s see if/what he goes for.
Good range of opinions so far ranging from we should demand 50m for him to we should be paying West Ham 20m to take him.
McTominay and Maguire would be a waste of West Hams money. If they think McTominay can replace Rice then they've not done their homework. They should pay what it takes to get Palinha from Fulham, maybe buy Maguire with the change from the Rice deal. Zubimendi also had a €60m release clause, test the waters there. £60m + for our two would obviously be great for us, but West Ham are making a big mistake.
Would Paulina want to go to West Ham? Not much of step up if any, he’d be looking for a bigger club I’d think. If we sell McTominay and Fred we should go for him ourselves!