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Maguire | he stays!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
Paqueta is an AM and is on 150k per week, in his prime and Brazil international.
De Ligt was sought after by all top clubs after that successful CL campaign and is young. There are top CBs that earn top money but as I said it is a not common. De Gea was paid premium for many years but that doesn’t mean most keepers get to be the their club top earner.
Maguire is in bad form, 30 years old, on the decline and it’s clear that the club doesn’t want him.
I hope you are right but I can’t see any sane club paying over 30m for him and covering his wages.
I think the vitriol is partly due to the association of Maguire being primarily a Woodward vanity signing, true he’s put in some shocking performances, but he’s an average CB who’d be hardworking snd suitable perhaps for one of the three sides that have been promoted.
It’ll be a struggle to get anything close to £30m for him, more likely £22m at a push.
It’ll be a struggle to get anything close to £30m for him, more likely £22m at a push.
I think if we get £22-25m but it's a one off, upfront payment that helps us massively in signing other players if we amortize those fees. Plus we dump £250k off the wage books so a million a month or so.
To be fair, thats been a problem with a large part of their fanbase for decades.
I think West Ham can get it done for 30M. 20 upfront and 10M add ons. I think Mctomminay is the one who represents value at 40M but Maguire slightly less.
Maguire's annual salary is rumored to be 10m. So a 3 year contract is 60m commitment for West Ham without any resell value. It is best for West Ham to pay a loan fee and sign him on loan instead even the cost per year remains the same. Less commitment, and if it doesn't workout, West Ham can just send him back.
As true as that may be, why would we agree to that? They could sign Declan Rice back on loan as well, why not?
Everyone knows Maguire's service is no longer required at Man Utd and his salary is too high to be a backup. Currently there is no any other club show any interest in his service, so West Ham can definitely take advantage of that. Not that many clubs can afford Maguire's salary and he can only play for team that play counter attacking football, so option is quite limited.
He's not on 250k a week. He was on 189k a week last season, he's now getting an extra 10k a week as he helped the team attain Champions League.
For context, West Ham have been in discussions with Bayer Leverkusen to sign Jonathan Tah, 27, who is a top 6 player in the Bundesliga and German international. The price is not much beyond £15m.
If Moyes prefers Maguire, I imagine the WHU hierarchy would sanction a small premium on the fee over the £15m alternative, hence the £20m.
Maguire's wages are obviously a no-go. He would have to expect a pay-cut of up to 50%.
Aside from the Saudis, I struggle to see who is paying a big fee and big wages to acquire Maguire. He was never worth anything more than half of the £80m that was paid even when he was 26 and his reputation hadn't been shredded.
If Moyes prefers Maguire, I imagine the WHU hierarchy would sanction a small premium on the fee over the £15m alternative, hence the £20m.
Maguire's wages are obviously a no-go. He would have to expect a pay-cut of up to 50%.
Aside from the Saudis, I struggle to see who is paying a big fee and big wages to acquire Maguire. He was never worth anything more than half of the £80m that was paid even when he was 26 and his reputation hadn't been shredded.
30mil and nothing less should be our stance.
Current England international and one of the best performers at the last World Cup
The Hammers would be getting a bargain!
Current England international and one of the best performers at the last World Cup
The Hammers would be getting a bargain!
No worry, he will stay and fight for his place. If I were him I would do the same, unless I am compensated fairly for the remaining of the Man Utd contract. At this stage of his career, money is more important than game time or chance to represent England in the future.
Harry is in his prime and an England international. He's lost form not physical attributes, he was never fast.
De Ligt's wages are far bigger than Maguires and they paid a huge fee for him, it's not like West Ham will pay 40 mill then have to give him over 300k a week. If the clubs agree a fee then it remains to be seen what his demands are going to be, he may well reduce his demands for a longer term contract with greater opportunities to actually play.
Seems people have a lot of firm ideas to his demands, but they're not his agent or the player himself. We shall all have to wait and see.
He hasn't got a place though, we've even got Evans in, and if that's not a clear message I don't know what is. So yes he could sit there on huge wages but get barely any game time. We have no idea whether he values an extra 50k a week, say, more than actually playing. You can argue it either way. Who would want to waste a year or two at the age of 30? Even Southgate would struggle to pick him.
Yeah sure he's going to join a club and accept a lower wage than Ings and Zuma
He'll be a star player for West Ham, I'm pretty sure they'd push the boat out for him..
I’d have taken the 20m but that’s just me. A loan is useless to us.
Next season he will be 31, having had two seasons as 5th choice. Very hard to see a club offering 20m for him.
Great to see common sense on this thread....it has been rare.
He also was reasonably close to getting relegated last year, we survived by playing some really tumescent defensive stuff and was in the end 6 points clear but it wasn't pretty. I don't think the board nor the fans will stomach another season that bad again (if we played better and ended 14th that's one thing, to play like rubbish and be that low...).
The cup was great, but it was let's be quite fair against mainly championship standard teams, any prem team thar takes it seriously is probably going to win or at least get very deep....and so it should distract to the failure of the league last season.
Still Moyes has done a great job for us and regardless of what happens in the future I've enjoyed the last few years.
Good time to sell him yes. But we need to stop other clubs to take us for some mugs. Stop this rotten luck of pleasing everyone else and playing hard ball too. Set a price stick with our valuation and maximise our gains for once. Whoever sells to the first bid they receive anyways?
We’ll stop other teams getting us for mugs when our players are not that bad and in insane wages, not by us pretending to be tough negotiators.
I think it is pretty simple. We either sell Maguire this season, loan him (or sell for less than 10m next season) or release him in 2 seasons. Unless some Saudi Arabia club comes calling but considering his meme reputation that is highly unlikely.
Bear in mind that he also costs us 10-11m in wages per season. Even selling him for 20m (which I think is quite reasonable), that means that we get 40m over 2 years for him.
£27m and thank you very much. Cover FFP, move on to the next chapter.
20m is an insult. How much are the centre backs he keeps out of the England side worth?
The market is inflated so he’s worth 40m.
You do not get a half decent player for under 40m. Harry is a half decent player who was wanted by both Mourinho and Pep when he came to us. Just because it hasn’t worked doesn’t make him a bad player, for 20m he is a good sub for us.
The market is inflated so he’s worth 40m.
You do not get a half decent player for under 40m. Harry is a half decent player who was wanted by both Mourinho and Pep when he came to us. Just because it hasn’t worked doesn’t make him a bad player, for 20m he is a good sub for us.
I don’t think he’s in his prime. He’s on decline and will have zero resale value for West Ham. Paqueta, if sold, most likely will either be sold at premium or keep his value. Maguire most likely will lose his place if he stays.
if we don’t sell him now next year at 31, a reserve player, with a limited game - we won’t find suitors even at 10m, especially given the wages.
It’s a lot like many of our outgoings - we miss the time when the player still has some value and lose him on free or pittance after a year.
England is not selling him. Man United is selling him. And Man United prefers to play left back Luke Shaw ahead of him.
It’s not at all playing tough negotiators it’s just doesn’t make sense to take the first bid and run. £25m-30m is reasonable and achievable looking around how much dross going for
Exactly. We should have learned our lessons from Bailly, Henderson, Rojo, Lingard and co. Players must be sold at the right time if you want good prices from them.
Sell him for 20 mil., and get rid of his massive salary and one of the biggest fails of United.
Go get Tah then? He's not as good.
50% pay cut would be a ridiculous ask considering what you pay worse players.
30m isn't a big fee for someone like Maguire, you're just being tight. Which is fine, but let's not pretend like 20m is some sort of good deal for us.
5 years ago, yeah. His form and confidence are down, and there’s no doubt a very good player in there but at the end of the day he’s 30, allergic to the ball at his feet, currently 5th choice, and we need money. People saying the market is inflated, he should be worth X, Y or Z etc aren’t necessarily wrong, but nobody else wants him.
We can’t afford to be too picky, or we’ll be stuck with him for another year, paying him 200k to make cameo appearances off the bench where he makes the entire ground nervous again, only to sell him for even less next summer anyway. Just draw a line under it, cut our losses and move on.
Chrelsea paid 34m for Koulibaly and sold for 17m. He’s 3 years older than Maguire. It doesn’t matter who’s selling him, it’s about what he’s worth. We should aim for 40m and accept 30m with various achievable add ons.
We need another 6-8m to balance his amortization. I would definitely take 26-28m for him though. People on here are crazy suggesting we should be holding out for 35-40m considering his wages. There won't be other suitors at that price.
If we want ridiculous price for Maguire most likely they will.
Next year about this time we will be having a new thread why we struggle to sell players and we can’t raise decent amount.
Even if he drops his salary to 150k/week, at 4 year contract, he will cost them 30m in wages. Add 30m in salary and he would cost them 60m, with 0 resale value and after he has become 30.
For context, we got him when he was better, and in these 4 years he cost us 80m in transfer fee and 40m in wages so 120m. If we get 30m from him, he would have cost us 90m. While he was 4 years younger.
Now let’s be real. He is considered a unanimously terrible transfer. Getting a 4 years older version of him for 33% cheaper is also a terrible transfer. It does not make much sense from other club’s POV.
The faster we learn that he is not an asset but it is a liability the better.
I don't think we will get 40 million for him. He's not a bad player and will do well at West Ham, but being 30 years old and on high wages doesn't help. Expecting something like 30+5 or something similar.
Ten Haag is forcing him out. Utd know what interest there is in him. So know what they can get for him. No one’s first offer is a final one, every club low balls. We’ve offered 40m apparently for Hojilund, let’s see what we pay.
I can see Harry following the money and going to the land that just made Henderson the highest paid English player.
25m perhaps with a few more in add ons with his wages gone would represent a great deal for United
He is dead weight and with Onana and a more passing style he will be exposed further.
the market for Maguire is a narrow one unless a team gets a key injury at CB
He is dead weight and with Onana and a more passing style he will be exposed further.
the market for Maguire is a narrow one unless a team gets a key injury at CB