We're getting the full package. They've seen our cb situation so are training him for us.Just seen they subbed him on at CB
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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Reports are that we're in a game of poker. We will be "in the deal" until deadline day. No idea what triggers this deal actually happening, if anything.
Just seen they subbed him on at CB
what? did they just sub a CB off and someone else moved there? or he played a whole half as CB?
Seems a lot of people are wondering whether De Jong is owed money, or what can be done, etc:
De Jong is currently under contract with Barcelona, to the tune of €90M over the next 4 seasons. Player sales, afaik, work like this: Selling club agree fee with buying club to terminate player existing contract. Player agree on new contract with buying club. Selling club and player agree to terminate existing contract.
In this saga, the last part is where things appear to have stalled. Barcelona cannot unilaterally terminate De Jong's contract. To do so they need his agreement. And said agreement costs €17M. I doubt De Jong gives a feck who actually pays him that money, as long as it is paid & does not impact his pending contract with Man Utd.
The problem is Barcelona and United can't seem to agree on how to go about paying said money
De Jong is currently under contract with Barcelona, to the tune of €90M over the next 4 seasons. Player sales, afaik, work like this: Selling club agree fee with buying club to terminate player existing contract. Player agree on new contract with buying club. Selling club and player agree to terminate existing contract.
In this saga, the last part is where things appear to have stalled. Barcelona cannot unilaterally terminate De Jong's contract. To do so they need his agreement. And said agreement costs €17M. I doubt De Jong gives a feck who actually pays him that money, as long as it is paid & does not impact his pending contract with Man Utd.
The problem is Barcelona and United can't seem to agree on how to go about paying said money
Subbed him on at half time as CBwhat? did they just sub a CB off and someone else moved there? or he played a whole half as CB?
Lads. I'm zipping up for good now. It's been too much up and down lately. Now it stays up.
No transfer guru / twitter prophet will ever convince me to unzip for de Jong again.
No transfer guru / twitter prophet will ever convince me to unzip for de Jong again.
We both know that you are just one good tweet away from unzipping yet again.
It's a unicorn, just like de Jong.
Why exactly would they play him as a CB? Less chance of him being injured whilst still getting him some minutes maybe?
Or just a subliminal way of saying you aint wanted here haha
And they clearly don't want to pay him 17M either so hence the impasse.
Could FDJ not take Barcelona to court/an employment tribunal over these differed wages that they are refusing to pay him?
Especially when they have just spent over €100M euros on Raphinha & Lewandowski
Especially when they have just spent over €100M euros on Raphinha & Lewandowski
It is funny how we have not heard a peep from Real Madrid or La Liga during this situation when they never shut up about our noisy neighbours and financial doping. I guess fiddling the books (levers) is not quite as bad for them.
Because he can play CB. Did it for Ajax under Ten Hag too
At least he's training and keeping fit. From all that we've come to learn over this saga, it appears Barca are basically 2 consecutive bad seasons away from a proper financial meltdown. Wouldn't that just be beautiful to see?
And that’s why something will give…
I think it’s unlikely they keep him given the implications. It’s just a game of poker.
Backing the manager is part of why we've been in such a big mess. Look at LvG with Di Maria, Depay, Mourinho with Lukaku, Ole with Maguire. We basically just let them tell us who they want and go all out for that player, usually paying way over the odds or missing out entirely (Sancho the first time round).
ETH has obviously worked with FDJ before, and he's a great player who fixes a big hole in our team, but is that enough to justify going down this all or nothing path again instead of the club identifying a list of good, available targets for our midfield and letting ETH go from there? I'm not sure.
I hope it's worth it but it's a huuuuge risk and there's still a chance we come out of it looking like total mugs.
Has to be the latter. While he was at CB he got to watch the shiny new toys in his position.
He played center back at Ajax though.Just seen they subbed him on at CB
No. He signed a contract, Barcelona aren't breaking it
Normally, I might agree. But who are the alternatives on the market?
Neves would cost a fortune and a totally different style of player, and I'm not convinced Tielemans is really that much better than guys like Fred.
He’s played CB 6 times in La Liga whilst at the club.
Agreed.
Barca playing 4D chess here. They
I don't think most of us are missing that, it just sounds like a god awful plan considering the quality of their squad and the quality of competition there is to be able to achieve these "get out of jail free" events. Its not a sustainable model for a club that is unlikely to massively increase their revenues again in the coming years. They will most likely come to the end of the upcoming season with no improvement and pressure to spend big again.
I don't think most of us are missing that, it just sounds like a god awful plan considering the quality of their squad and the quality of competition there is to be able to achieve these "get out of jail free" events. Its not a sustainable model for a club that is unlikely to massively increase their revenues again in the coming years. They will most likely come to the end of the upcoming season with no improvement and pressure to spend big again.
aaaah ok... so it's pretty normal for him then.
I mean, isn't that the job of our supposedly vast scouting network to figure out? Otherwise what's the fecking point of them.
I wouldn’t say normal but he has done it
Could equally be Barca saying if you stay we don’t see a place for you in CM anymore so get used to this?
Playing CB would be a fill in for him in the event of injuries. It's pre-season ffs...surely youth can be used at CBand FDJ in his favoured position?
But at the same time they brought in Christensen and are trying to find a deal for Kounde
It's exactly what we're doing with Telles, a player everyone knows we're also open to selling
Well playedHave we accepted a bid for Telles and are we trying to force him out of the club?
Mentioned CL finals. By this is it the CL final or the elimination rounds?
Sounds weird I know but sometimes finals is referred to in the elimination stages. I think..
It's not inconceivable that if he ends up staying Xavi might see him as a CB full time actually. Seems highly likely he plans to play with 3 CBs and they currently have 4, and Xavi is demanding another
You're staring straight into my muppet soul.
I’m aware.
Telles is currently placing holding as a left footed centerback till Martinez joins up with the group after that he's surplus to requirement.
120m euros for a Leeds United winger and a 34 year old.
The new Barca ”value for money”.
Oh, and you got Chelsea’s reserve CB on a free whilst Madrid got the first team one.
And you’ve managed all of this by selling future revenue of 2bn + for about 500 mil.
I must be missing the value.
Just to make sure.
Have I summed up your impeccable logic below?
Raphinha is of course a Leeds winger. Just like De Bruyne is a Wolfsburg midfielder. You could argue for that Raphinha is a regular attacking starting player for Brazil and that multiple big clubs wanted him but that would surely be a stretch wouldn't it?
Lewandowski (together with Haaland) has not been the most prolific goalscorer in the world for the last three years and he has not been the best player overall. He is just an average 34 year old.
Christensen for free is a bad deal because Real Madrid got Rudiger.
The future revenue selling was made just for the three transfers above and not for rebuilding Camp Nou and paying off debt. And even if it weren't that would still affect the value for money for your transfers.
De Jongs price is going to be between £72m-90m and you're probably prepared to pay it. That is not going to be as good value for the money as the three transfers above.
So if they don't pay him what they agreed with him in a contract then they aren't breaking it?
Barca agreed a fee with united for a player who doesn't want to leave (for whatever reason). That is awkward as hell. There is no way to defend this shitshow.
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