I think the sponsors will care though. When we’re struggling to wrangle millions out of a noodle magnate to put their brand on a mid-table team that will probably focus their minds. They were quick enough to pull the trigger on Moyes and Van Gaal.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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I think the sponsors will care though. When we’re struggling to wrangle millions out of a noodle magnate to put their brand on a mid-table team that will probably focus their minds. They were quick enough to pull the trigger on Moyes and Van Gaal.
Ive stuck up for ogs but after today im having big doubts about his managerial skills. Who doesnt have a striker on the bench. Who as a manager thinks keep doing the same thing ovr and over again will produce a different result. Southgate could see Rashford isnt a striker yet we keep playing him as one. Ole quoted as saying hes not concerned his striker cant score goals; WTF!!! Greenwood should play upfront with James left and Rashford right.
Greenwood was not available for today's match
A manager who is not out of his depth then for a club the size of Man United is the solution.
Well we tried LVG and Jose, there weren’t many bigger managers out there
Was he injured?
19 games:
Won 4
Drawn 5
Loss 10
Let's be realistic another loss and Ole should be heading for the door.
Won 4
Drawn 5
Loss 10
Let's be realistic another loss and Ole should be heading for the door.
Sick with tonsillitis
In the press tuchel has been mentioned
Why don't you think Ole is the issue?
I'm going to be really controversial now. Why are people focusing on the board and on Woodward? We've had as much money made available to us as anyone else over the last 5 years. Moyes was SAFs choice. No one was complaining about Van Gaal before he took over. It was more split with Jose.... And he proved to be all about himself and in the end pretty toxic. Then we were all going overboard with OGS bar a small minority. The club has reacted to the situation it finds itself in instead of having a longer term plan. And to have that plan requires a seasoned experienced manager. Van Gaal was the right choice but didn't work out. Jose was never the right choice given his focus on the short term and needing money. OGS is out of his depth. The answer is a decent manager with experience. The problem is its not so easy. First thing first though OGS needs to go.
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Jose s character is inherently toxic but I imagine if he would have fared better had he gotten Maguire and the others he wanted.
I think Ole has the same remit as everyone before him which is no Champions league after a full season = no job. Moyes failed year one. Van Gaal failed year 2, Mourinho failed year 3.
If we finish 7th but win the Europa League I think he gets another season almost irrespective. Likewise if he creeps into fourth.
That's not a bad thing of course... Having minimum expectations is a positive. However Woodward has presided over a team that are second only to City (Inc the £35-40m paid by their holding company) in the salary stakes and miles behind on the pitch. He's clearly failed every single metric, especially as our revenue growth has slowed in recent years. He's the one that needs to go urgently.
Solskjaer has taken one for the team this year hasn't he. He's risked his own reputation to do what needs to be done - purge the squad of its expensive mistakes and start again.
It'll probably mean he gets sacked at the end of the season but hopefully, when we're back somewhere near the top, we'll look back and thank him for this.
It'll probably mean he gets sacked at the end of the season but hopefully, when we're back somewhere near the top, we'll look back and thank him for this.
Why would you draw the line with one more loss?
Really?
We've had as much money as we need to be successful. The big issue is the people at the helm are not up to it.
We've had as much money as we need to be successful. The big issue is the people at the helm are not up to it.
Or maybe try coaching the players he had got and the £400 million pound of players he had bought for him before throwing in the towel because the club lost faith.
Am not Ole out.
Really hard to think of a reason why im not though. No system or style of play. In game management worst Ive ever seen.
Results have been much much worse than Moyes, LVG or Mourinhos 3rd season when he wanted the sack.
When I imagine Ole in charge of any other premier league team, they are weaker for it. Its grim.
Really hard to think of a reason why im not though. No system or style of play. In game management worst Ive ever seen.
Results have been much much worse than Moyes, LVG or Mourinhos 3rd season when he wanted the sack.
When I imagine Ole in charge of any other premier league team, they are weaker for it. Its grim.
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They were big characters but both had massive red flags over them when we hired them. So their failure doesn’t imply that the next “big name” manager we hire will also fail.
In all probability it does while Woodward is making decisions
7 loses in the last 15 premier league games is relegation form.
He did that to his best I think, finished 2nd rightly behinf a monster Guardiola team. He really wanted to push on but the board limited him.
My mother said this today, during the game. "He's looking like Moyesy isn't he nowadays". This job is too big for most managers, especially those without a big, well-earned ego and a rack of achievements. He is looking haggard and rightly so - things are sliding badly here and he showed, last season, to be incapable of stopping a slide.
I've been mulling this over. I'd always assumed/convinced myself that Ed sold Ole down the river because it made zero sense to me that a manager would hamstring himself so badly in the area most important on a football pitch - putting the ball in the opposition net.
Why would Ole do this? I can only think of one thing. Mandzukic and Llorente were mooted as stop-gap signings to provide depth, but I can only think Ole felt these signings were "too Mourinho". Old, hardened veterans coming for a final hurrah. And he'd spent time telling the fans we were moving in a different direction so possibly decided this might piss off some fans?
I honestly don't know but either way, he's made a big, naïve mistake and SEVEN games into the season, he's paying for it.
I love Ole the player and the man. But Ole the manager is showing nothing to make me love him or rate him.
This is not a team in transition. This is not a work in progress.
This is a team regressing. This is a visible decline.
Quite frankly given Ole's last stint with the PL or England en general we do seem to have a thing for red flag managers.
So chuck in the towel while on £15 million a year, tell all our USA fans they shouldn’t bother watching us and beg to be sacked?
Again comes out after the game talks about characters in the squad going in the right direction, believes in the players. How about for once he comes out and just says it as it is. We were not good enough today our formation and shape was wrong. We didnt deserve anything. Feck me he spoke better at the end of last season when he was honest.
Seems like Simon Stone is covering Ed s ass....now we know who is his master
On another note - people are mentioning Tuchel. Why would Tuchel leave PSG for this shitshow? He's winning titles in France, managing mercurial players like Mbappe and desperately looking for a CL trophy. Why would he come here to manage in the EL, finish in the top 4-6?
Also, Tuchel, Ole, Manager X:
Doesnt matter. All of them will be working with a starting 11 that has midfield and attacking options like Pereira, Mata, Matic, McTominay, Fred, Lingard, Rashford (nope, he's not that good). Any manager will struggle to get top results with mediocre options like that in key areas of the pitch.
Also, Tuchel, Ole, Manager X:
Doesnt matter. All of them will be working with a starting 11 that has midfield and attacking options like Pereira, Mata, Matic, McTominay, Fred, Lingard, Rashford (nope, he's not that good). Any manager will struggle to get top results with mediocre options like that in key areas of the pitch.
Ole may well look out of his depth. But the lack of investment is the key problem. For me that lies with the board. Why would a manager not want better players? Were a mid table squad.
I need more proof than a vague tweet from Simon Stone to believe that OGS didn't want more signings. He's probably been fed this information from the board.
The issue at United his simple and didn't have to get to this extent where we are into 4 managers post Sir Alex and having spent £880m to finish 6th. It's pretty clear that the recruitment of managers, coaches and players is atrocious and we needed to headhunt a top DoF and give him the latitude to build a team from the ground up, inclusive of the managerial appointment. It needs the ones with the power to recognize where things are going wrong and take corrective action.
Before signing Harry Maguire, he said that he hope to sign one or 2 more players. Then a lot of rumours was about us signing a number 10 either Eriksen and Dybala but they didn't want to come. So I think it's fair to assume that Ole was not looking for another striker.
Another thing, even after Pogba, Martial and Shaw got injured, he keep saying we have a big squad. I think he didn't want to sign another striker because he thought that it would be difficult to keep Rashford, Martial, Greenwood and another striker happy. He misjudged the situation badly.
We should clear them all out. Owners, Ed, Ole and the sports science dept!!
Not sure if I'm that in love with Ole as manager anymore. Can I promote him to DoF? I'm very happy with our purchases, but I'd love to see a few more in. And a few more out.
Maybe the board once again is trying to cover it s incompetence by using Stoney to put all the blame on Ole for the failed transfers.
Dear Stoney, we all remember the "one transfer at a time" mantra during the summer...losing precious time
I can see you’ve thought about it so will try a reasonable response. Lukaku and Sanchez were clearly heading for the exit a long way out from the end of last season no matter what was said in public (can’t believe so many of our fans believe every word that comes out in press conferences etc btw)
We apparently had Dybala has plan A which makes sense given the type of fast play we “look” like we want to play (don’t start with today’s game
) that fell through (unsurprisingly and no thanks to our friend Pogba) and we rushed plan B for what we get as a temporary plan, Mandzukic was it but Woodward wouldn’t sign off on his wages after being burnt by none other than Sanchez.Is Ole the answer? Probably not but I’d rather have him in charge while it seems like it does not matter who is the manager because we are doomed with Ed and the Glazers who only care about the bottom line.
Oh dear. I’ve been Ole-sceptic from the start, but your reasoned and objective arguments in his favour have been really enjoyable and thought-provoking.
How far do we have to drop before something changes. Today Ashley Young giving a needless freekick away on the edge of the box to give away a goal. Matic awful, Mata awful. The same players who year after year have done nothing here.
He won't be our manager in 2022, think we should cut out ties now. City, Pool and Spurs have got stronger over the past few years, the longer we leave this the harder it's going to get put in a challenge for the title again.
I think they care where we finish, as long it's in the Champions League places, l think they spend just enough to get into a Champions League place but not much more.
It got 'toxic' with Jose because they were perfectly happy with a Champions League place every season and to give Jose 60m or 70m a year transfer budget, a more generous version of the Arsenal model under Wenger.
Jose wasn't having it.
The style of play is pretty similar to Mourinho's: the idea is to be solid in defence and to exploit mistakes of the oppositions by hitting them with fast counters. The only difference is that Ole is more willing to use high pressing. But high pressing without having a lot of possession is not sustainable.
Neville and some "DNA" fans seems to think that because 2 big names failed we should not go that route ever again. If Klopp was willing most would jump at it
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