The Spurs thread | 2017-18 season | Serious thread - wummers/derailers will be threadbanned

[finneh]

This is the biggest summer window we have had in decades. I honestly believe that. The board need to heavily back him with serious cash.

I'm not sure that's a realistic expectation in truth unless a key player is sold. If someone came in for Alli with a bid of say £100m do you think Spurs fans would consider this if 100% of the proceeds could be given to Pochettino reinvested?

The reason I ask is that historically Spurs have had saleable assets that have allowed them to invest. Since Bale left you've sold over £200m of players that haven't been at all vital to the team, spending around the same amount on less quantity and more quality (getting great fee's for the likes of Mason, Caulker, Livermore, Townsend, Capoue, Paulinho, Wimmer, Bentaleb and of course Walker). However this ability to sell 5-6 players for £5m - 20m every season seems to me to be drying up due to an ever decreasing squad size (inc loanee's) meaning that for every player that departs, another probably more costly one would have to arrive for you to progress.

Looking at your squad the obvious candidates to leave are Rose, Sissoko, Llorente, Janssen and N'koudou; but they would need replacing by at least 4 proven players (central midfielder, centre forward and probably two full backs). I'm struggling to see more than maybe £60m of sales and I'd imagine replacements would cost 2-3x that and given that Spurs won't have £100m lying around ready to invest in the squad I'm curious as to how they will approach the Summer.

Even if a player like Alderweireld is sold for say £45m he'll again need replacing for a comparable cost, unless you look to someone like Evans (£3m clause) to replace him. Again though this would be counterproductive and would represent a huge drop in quality.

It'll certainly be an interesting window that's for sure, not least because I think several big name teams will be in the market for a central midfielder.

 

[balaks]

Spurs aren't punching above their weight at all, you've got one of the better keepers in the league, the best CB's in the league, the best striker in the league, one of the best players in the league (Eriksen) and the likes of Alli, Son, Dembele & Dier. The fact you haven't spent as much as other sides to build that side is a testament to your recruitment not an indication that you're overachieving

And yes while you were beaten by the better side at the weekend and while we've been better than you all season it was still an opportunity on your home pitch to win a game and go to a final and once again when it counts Spurs were found wanting so why can you do it in January in the league but not this past weekend unless it's a mentality thing?

We are though - look at the money spent -

# Net Spend last 5 Years
-------------------Purchased Gross ----- Sold --------Nett --------per Season

1 Manchester City £780,850,000 £217,750,000 £563,100,000 £112,620,000
2 Manchester United £611,800,000 £174,550,000 £437,250,000 £87,450,000
4 Chelsea £682,459,000 £460,450,000 £222,009,000 £44,401,800
3 Arsenal £356,940,000 £168,850,000 £188,090,000 £37,618,000
5 Crystal Palace £194,785,000 £56,700,000 £138,085,000 £27,617,000
6 Everton £342,600,000 £216,600,000 £126,000,000 £25,200,000
7 Leicester £203,000,000 £97,750,000 £105,250,000 £21,050,000
8 West Bromwich Albion £139,850,000 £41,709,000 £98,141,000 £19,628,200
9 Watford £144,200,000 £51,650,000 £92,550,000 £18,510,000
# West Ham £188,450,000 £109,870,000 £78,580,000 £15,716,000
# Brighton & Hove Albion £89,805,000 £12,000,000 £77,805,000 £15,561,000
# AFC Bournemouth £88,450,000 £24,830,000 £63,620,000 £12,724,000
# Stoke City £121,700,000 £53,250,000 £68,450,000 £13,690,000
# Liverpool £471,300,000 £419,080,000 £52,220,000 £10,444,000
# Newcastle United £206,300,000 £155,600,000 £50,700,000 £10,140,000
# Huddersfield Town £54,615,000 £14,400,000 £40,215,000 £8,043,000
# Burnley £86,650,000 £61,450,000 £25,200,000 £5,040,000
# Tottenham £341,450,000 £339,400,000 £2,050,000 £410,000
# Swansea £165,575,000 £195,060,000 -£29,485,000 -£5,897,000
# Southampton £237,800,000 £285,550,000 -£47,750,000 -£9,550,000



We are severely underfunded in relation to other teams - particularly the teams in the top 6. That's just fact - we do have some great players but that is down to excellent scouting, good coaching and luck.

 

[balaks]

I'm not sure that's a realistic expectation in truth unless a key player is sold. If someone came in for Alli with a bid of say £100m do you think Spurs fans would consider this if 100% of the proceeds could be given to Pochettino reinvested?

The reason I ask is that historically Spurs have had saleable assets that have allowed them to invest. Since Bale left you've sold over £200m of players that haven't been at all vital to the team, spending around the same amount on less quantity and more quality (getting great fee's for the likes of Mason, Caulker, Livermore, Townsend, Capoue, Paulinho, Wimmer, Bentaleb and of course Walker). However this ability to sell 5-6 players for £5m - 20m every season seems to me to be drying up due to an ever decreasing squad size (inc loanee's) meaning that for every player that departs, another probably more costly one would have to arrive for you to progress.

Looking at your squad the obvious candidates to leave are Rose, Sissoko, Llorente, Janssen and N'koudou; but they would need replacing by at least 4 proven players (central midfielder, centre forward and probably two full backs). I'm struggling to see more than maybe £60m of sales and I'd imagine replacements would cost 2-3x that and given that Spurs won't have £100m lying around ready to invest in the squad I'm curious as to how they will approach the Summer.

Even if a player like Alderweireld is sold for say £45m he'll again need replacing for a comparable cost, unless you look to someone like Evans (£3m clause) to replace him. Again though this would be counterproductive and would represent a huge drop in quality.

It'll certainly be an interesting window that's for sure, not least because I think several big name teams will be in the market for a central midfielder.

I think we will spend big and I think we have to - we will sell some players - Toby, Rose, Dembele, Llorente I all expect to leave. The club and Levy are not stupid - they know they have to make a statement with the club moving to the new stadium and they also know that if they do not back Poch he will walk.

 

[theyneverlearn]

We are though - look at the money spent -

# Net Spend last 5 Years
-------------------Purchased Gross ----- Sold --------Nett --------per Season

1 Manchester City £780,850,000 £217,750,000 £563,100,000 £112,620,000
2 Manchester United £611,800,000 £174,550,000 £437,250,000 £87,450,000
4 Chelsea £682,459,000 £460,450,000 £222,009,000 £44,401,800
3 Arsenal £356,940,000 £168,850,000 £188,090,000 £37,618,000
5 Crystal Palace £194,785,000 £56,700,000 £138,085,000 £27,617,000
6 Everton £342,600,000 £216,600,000 £126,000,000 £25,200,000
7 Leicester £203,000,000 £97,750,000 £105,250,000 £21,050,000
8 West Bromwich Albion £139,850,000 £41,709,000 £98,141,000 £19,628,200
9 Watford £144,200,000 £51,650,000 £92,550,000 £18,510,000
# West Ham £188,450,000 £109,870,000 £78,580,000 £15,716,000
# Brighton & Hove Albion £89,805,000 £12,000,000 £77,805,000 £15,561,000
# AFC Bournemouth £88,450,000 £24,830,000 £63,620,000 £12,724,000
# Stoke City £121,700,000 £53,250,000 £68,450,000 £13,690,000
# Liverpool £471,300,000 £419,080,000 £52,220,000 £10,444,000
# Newcastle United £206,300,000 £155,600,000 £50,700,000 £10,140,000
# Huddersfield Town £54,615,000 £14,400,000 £40,215,000 £8,043,000
# Burnley £86,650,000 £61,450,000 £25,200,000 £5,040,000
# Tottenham £341,450,000 £339,400,000 £2,050,000 £410,000
# Swansea £165,575,000 £195,060,000 -£29,485,000 -£5,897,000
# Southampton £237,800,000 £285,550,000 -£47,750,000 -£9,550,000



We are severely underfunded in relation to other teams - particularly the teams in the top 6. That's just fact - we do have some great players but that is down to excellent scouting, good coaching and luck.

You're punching above your weight in regards to net spend vs results.

But when you take out spending and look at teams, you have one of the best in the league and could be doing more with it. Poch coming out with these excuses, saying he should play kids, or that the league and CL are his ambitions is not helping at all.

You need to walk before you can run. You haven't won anything and some players require the taste of winning to push them that bit extra to maintain that run going. It's what drove the great United teams down the years, that yearning for winning.

I understand when people say 'what has it done to Wigan, or Arsenal' but I would look at the other side of the argument and say look what it's done for United, Chelsea and City.

 

[AshRK]

We are though - look at the money spent -

# Net Spend last 5 Years
-------------------Purchased Gross ----- Sold --------Nett --------per Season

1 Manchester City £780,850,000 £217,750,000 £563,100,000 £112,620,000
2 Manchester United £611,800,000 £174,550,000 £437,250,000 £87,450,000
4 Chelsea £682,459,000 £460,450,000 £222,009,000 £44,401,800
3 Arsenal £356,940,000 £168,850,000 £188,090,000 £37,618,000
5 Crystal Palace £194,785,000 £56,700,000 £138,085,000 £27,617,000
6 Everton £342,600,000 £216,600,000 £126,000,000 £25,200,000
7 Leicester £203,000,000 £97,750,000 £105,250,000 £21,050,000
8 West Bromwich Albion £139,850,000 £41,709,000 £98,141,000 £19,628,200
9 Watford £144,200,000 £51,650,000 £92,550,000 £18,510,000
# West Ham £188,450,000 £109,870,000 £78,580,000 £15,716,000
# Brighton & Hove Albion £89,805,000 £12,000,000 £77,805,000 £15,561,000
# AFC Bournemouth £88,450,000 £24,830,000 £63,620,000 £12,724,000
# Stoke City £121,700,000 £53,250,000 £68,450,000 £13,690,000
# Liverpool £471,300,000 £419,080,000 £52,220,000 £10,444,000
# Newcastle United £206,300,000 £155,600,000 £50,700,000 £10,140,000
# Huddersfield Town £54,615,000 £14,400,000 £40,215,000 £8,043,000
# Burnley £86,650,000 £61,450,000 £25,200,000 £5,040,000
# Tottenham £341,450,000 £339,400,000 £2,050,000 £410,000
# Swansea £165,575,000 £195,060,000 -£29,485,000 -£5,897,000
# Southampton £237,800,000 £285,550,000 -£47,750,000 -£9,550,000



We are severely underfunded in relation to other teams - particularly the teams in the top 6. That's just fact - we do have some great players but that is down to excellent scouting, good coaching and luck.

Money is not everything. The fact that you lot got top players at low price is commemdable. Kane in today's market is close to £150m and then you have eriksen, alli, dembele, Lloris, Toby, vertongen ,Dier , all of them would fit in any top club. Apart from that some solid squad players like Son, lamela, wanyama, Rose, Tripper, Moura, Sanchez.

Yes you lot have not spend that much money but like I said your squad is not a mid table level by any means and are not punching above your weight.

 

[FireBlade]

Spurs Choose the worst time to start on the stadium you need a few years of stability and investment that you not get with out selling a major player.

The squad is largely over rated also i would only take Eriksen of the midfield/attackers he is the only real one that stands up when the rest wimper out soon as the going gets tough.

You had your chance to win a few years back and you failed now teams know how to play vs you and can out spend you, LCFC stole your big moment while you was congratulating ur selfs on net spend and finishing above UTD.

I was reading the spurs community site they were asking if they were and elite club now. Not sure how any of them can say yes when they have not even won a league yet.

Pro-Tip - To be elite means you have won a CL but as you have not even won a fa cup/league cup.

there are only Two elite clubs in the league Liverpool and Man Utd (Chelsea i suppose...) Man City also need a CL but at least they win cups not net spend battles.

 

[Aurell]

It's seems that Poch made it very clear about his expectations. If they want to become a constant top 8 europe or top 2/3 in England, they must have a better 11 and bench.

In the 11, Lloris and Son should be brought to a substitute place. A few players may will be available to replace in the long term Lloris like Horn, Farhmann, Arrizabalaga and perhaps Navas or Allison Becker (difficult).

Plus, some players should have more competition: Davies (maybe Grimaldo, Tierney?) and Dier.

And the most important: improving the bench:
- A new CB if Alder goes
- A new 9
- Another midfield to replace Eriksen or Alli, maybe.

So in the end, around 7 Players are needed.
Plus a lot of players should go/ should never have been bought: Sissoko, Lamela, Llorente, Lucas Moura, Rose, Aurier. They are costing money and taking some place while being useless.

But it's not all about that. If they lost against Juventus, City recently and MU, it's not because of the team's quality but definitly a bad management and a weak mentality. They just can't stay focused and motivated during an entire match especially during the hard moments.
- The stupid action of Dembele (MU)
- the invisible defence on Higuain offside goal. Same at Wembley
- The way they always panicked with the long balls behind the defence.
- And when they are losing. It's like the end most of the time.
...
All of that readiness to give up against any superior team is on Poch and won't change with better Players. If the only solution is buying, it's just participates to this idea of a team unable to elevate their level, do something unreal. Like Leicester, Roma or Monaco.

 

[balaks]

You're punching above your weight in regards to net spend vs results.

But when you take out spending and look at teams, you have one of the best in the league and could be doing more with it. Poch coming out with these excuses, saying he should play kids, or that the league and CL are his ambitions is not helping at all.

You need to walk before you can run. You haven't won anything and some players require the taste of winning to push them that bit extra to maintain that run going. It's what drove the great United teams down the years, that yearning for winning.

I understand when people say 'what has it done to Wigan, or Arsenal' but I would look at the other side of the argument and say look what it's done for United, Chelsea and City.

Poch wants to win - the club wants to win and the players want to win - Poch knows that he is getting the best out of our current squad and for us to improve and be at the level of Utd/City, etc. on a regular basis we need to have a better squad - yes our first team has some of the best players in the league within it but there is a few areas we need to improve and we lack proper top class depth in our squad which always costs us over a season. Poch has never said he doesnt want to win things - he has just said that winning the FA cup is not as important as winning the league or Champions League which I think most people would agree with.

 

[finneh]

I think we will spend big and I think we have to - we will sell some players - Toby, Rose, Dembele, Llorente I all expect to leave. The club and Levy are not stupid - they know they have to make a statement with the club moving to the new stadium and they also know that if they do not back Poch he will walk.

I'd be very surprised if you spent more than £50m in net terms. The interest payments in the short term will be outweighing any discernible commercial and match day benefit of the new stadium. Plus you're likely to receive less than market value for a lot of your sponsorship agreements as I'd assume you will take the Arsenal route of front loading agreements to reduce the debt burden.

If Rose, Alderweireld, Dembele, Llorente, Sissoko and Janssen do leave that'll possibly be around £125m that you'll have to reinvest, along with possibly a £40-50m transfer budget means you'll have a decent chunk to play around with. However the squad isn't particularly strong in depth as it is so you'd probably be needing 6-7 signings to replace them (your squad without those players would be down to 16-17 senior players).

The inability to rotate is shown by the fact that half of Spurs outfield players (Eriksen, Verthonghen, Kane, Alli & Dier) have all played 2600+ minutes in the PL thus far and could reach 3000 by the end of the season. United have only Matic and Lukaku. City have De Bruyne, Otamendi & Walker. Liverpool have only Salah. Chelsea have Azpilicueta, Alonso & Kante. Arsenal have Xhaka and Bellarin.

Along with the CL/Cup games it's no surprise Spurs' performances have tailed off of late.

 

[James Peril]

Spurs-fans can talk about investing heavily, but you can’t - and it’s not easy. The big bucks and the big players go hand in hand, as do heavy wages - which you cannot pay, which you even can’t pay your current players. So you have to buy talents and bargain basement-guys, the way you got Eriksen, Alderweireld and so forth. See how you burned yourself with Aurier and Moura, that’s 50M plus wages on players that haven’t made you better at all. Let’s toss in Lamela as well, he was like 32M when you splashed the Bale-money and hasn’t done much. Like I said earlier, it’s very easy to waste money on expensive players and so-called names.

Tottenham won’t sign any big players, they don’t want to come to you and you can’t pay them what they want. This summer you have to get the new Eriksen’s and Vertonghen’s at 15-20M in this market - but that’s not easy. Or the Aurier’s and Sissoko’s at 30M - which will mess up the quality. Tough summer coming up, this is really the litmus test. I think both Verthongen, Kane and Eriksen will stay - but you have 12 months to persuade them it was a good idea.

 

[caid]

I think we will spend big and I think we have to - we will sell some players - Toby, Rose, Dembele, Llorente I all expect to leave. The club and Levy are not stupid - they know they have to make a statement with the club moving to the new stadium and they also know that if they do not back Poch he will walk.

Why is Dembele leaving? Why Llorent for that matter, has he not worked out?

 

[Rhyme Animal]

I think we will spend big and I think we have to - we will sell some players - Toby, Rose, Dembele, Llorente I all expect to leave.

I think you need to be a bit more realistic about who could be leaving, mate...

After the 3 seasons you've had, all ending trophyless, I'd expect at least one of Alli, Eriksen, Pochettino or Kane to leave.

I personally think 2 of those 4 will go in the Summer, or at the latest by January.

But yeah, the list you mentioned I don't disagree with, just think you need to be a bit more realistic about who else could want out as well.

 

[balaks]

I think you need to be a bit more realistic about who could be leaving, mate...

After the 3 seasons you've had, all ending trophyless, I'd expect at least one of Alli, Eriksen, Pochettino or Kane to leave.

I personally think 2 of those 4 will go in the Summer, or at the latest by January.

But yeah, the list you mentioned I don't disagree with, just think you need to be a bit more realistic about who else could want out as well.

I see why you might think that but I expect all of those to sign bumper new contracts in the summer.

 

[balaks]

Why is Dembele leaving? Why Llorent for that matter, has he not worked out?

Dembele I dont think is up for regular football at the top level anymore due to injuries and I sense that it is the right time for him to move on - Llorente hasnt worked out and will likely go back to Spain.

 

[Aurell]

I think you need to be a bit more realistic about who could be leaving, mate...

After the 3 seasons you've had, all ending trophyless, I'd expect at least one of Alli, Eriksen, Pochettino or Kane to leave.

I personally think 2 of those 4 will go in the Summer, or at the latest by January.

But yeah, the list you mentioned I don't disagree with, just think you need to be a bit more realistic about who else could want out as well.

I'm pretty sure they are realistic. A few clubs manifested a true interest in their players.

We've talked for 2 years about FCB for Eriksen but they bought Rakitic, Paulinho, Coutinho and now Arthur instead. Also, A deal with Griezmann seems to be done. So it could stay just an interest. Bayern, Liverpool and City don't need him. He could have a place at United, Chelsea, PSG or Juve; but is there really a point to move from Tottenham unless to go to City or a CL contender ? If RM doesn't show up...

Alli. A too inconstant player for a big club. Plus, his style is a little weird, his best position is not easy to deal with. He is in the center like a 9,5 but we can't really compare his offensive contribution to Griezmann or Muller's. And, There is Dybala who could cost the same...

Kane. Well only Chelsea may need a 9 in a recent future as MU have Lukaku and MC, Jesus and Aguero. Bayern ? Werner, normally. Plus he is too expensive. And there is RM but weren't they more on Lewandowski and Icardi ? There is competition.

And finally Pochettino... I mean, if even the PSG seems to doubt about his capacity to deal with a big club and to bring trophies, It's probably going to be difficult for him to level up. Juve ? Inzaghi. Bayern ? Kovac. Chelsea is taking someone this summer. He don't want FCB because of his job at the Espanyol. Even bvb is targetting Nagelsmann.

Why is Dembele leaving? Why Llorent for that matter, has he not worked out?

I heard he began to found the PL and Poch tactics too physically difficult for him.

 

[James Peril]

Dembele I dont think is up for regular football at the top level anymore due to injuries and I sense that it is the right time for him to move on - Llorente hasnt worked out and will likely go back to Spain.

Very convenient thing to say right now. Dembele has won nothing in his career and is probably looking for a bigger and better club that can offer him trophies and more money, not a smaller one - he’s already there. Or just the feeling of playing for a big club, which to a player is a trophy in itself. Dembele is Tottenham’s best midfielder by far. His injury record, not so much. He is heavy fella, those knees look done after every game by just looking at him.

 

[balaks]

Very convenient thing to say right now. Dembele has won nothing in his career and is probably looking for a bigger and better club that can offer him trophies and more money, not a smaller one - he’s already there. Or just the feeling of playing for a big club, which to a player is a trophy in itself. Dembele is Tottenham’s best midfielder by far. His injury record, not so much. He is heavy fella, those knees look done after every game by just looking at him.

Well lets see what happens - I reckon he will end up in China or somewhere like that.

 

[Swift Football]

Very convenient thing to say right now. Dembele has won nothing in his career and is probably looking for a bigger and better club that can offer him trophies and more money, not a smaller one - he’s already there. Or just the feeling of playing for a big club, which to a player is a trophy in itself. Dembele is Tottenham’s best midfielder by far. His injury record, not so much. He is heavy fella, those knees look done after every game by just looking at him.

For me, its Eriksen.

 

[caid]

Dembele I dont think is up for regular football at the top level anymore due to injuries and I sense that it is the right time for him to move on - Llorente hasnt worked out and will likely go back to Spain.

Fair enough but could he not be used more sparingly for specific games. Hes a pretty good player and against the right opponents pretty much unplayable. Suppose you still need to buy a more attack minded midfielder even if you do that and money is in shortish supply.

 

[Swift Football]

We are though - look at the money spent -

# Net Spend last 5 Years
-------------------Purchased Gross ----- Sold --------Nett --------per Season

1 Manchester City £780,850,000 £217,750,000 £563,100,000 £112,620,000
2 Manchester United £611,800,000 £174,550,000 £437,250,000 £87,450,000
4 Chelsea £682,459,000 £460,450,000 £222,009,000 £44,401,800
3 Arsenal £356,940,000 £168,850,000 £188,090,000 £37,618,000
5 Crystal Palace £194,785,000 £56,700,000 £138,085,000 £27,617,000
6 Everton £342,600,000 £216,600,000 £126,000,000 £25,200,000
7 Leicester £203,000,000 £97,750,000 £105,250,000 £21,050,000
8 West Bromwich Albion £139,850,000 £41,709,000 £98,141,000 £19,628,200
9 Watford £144,200,000 £51,650,000 £92,550,000 £18,510,000
# West Ham £188,450,000 £109,870,000 £78,580,000 £15,716,000
# Brighton & Hove Albion £89,805,000 £12,000,000 £77,805,000 £15,561,000
# AFC Bournemouth £88,450,000 £24,830,000 £63,620,000 £12,724,000
# Stoke City £121,700,000 £53,250,000 £68,450,000 £13,690,000
# Liverpool £471,300,000 £419,080,000 £52,220,000 £10,444,000
# Newcastle United £206,300,000 £155,600,000 £50,700,000 £10,140,000
# Huddersfield Town £54,615,000 £14,400,000 £40,215,000 £8,043,000
# Burnley £86,650,000 £61,450,000 £25,200,000 £5,040,000
# Tottenham £341,450,000 £339,400,000 £2,050,000 £410,000
# Swansea £165,575,000 £195,060,000 -£29,485,000 -£5,897,000
# Southampton £237,800,000 £285,550,000 -£47,750,000 -£9,550,000



We are severely underfunded in relation to other teams - particularly the teams in the top 6. That's just fact - we do have some great players but that is down to excellent scouting, good coaching and luck.

Its crazy how much we are spending in last 5 years. Our net spend is almost double that of Chelsea! for God's sake (even though Chelsea's gross spending looks higher). In next 2-3 years, it wont surprise me a bit if we comfortably spend more than City too. This has to stop.

Spurs' net spend is just 2M and I dont remember them selling too many of their players in high prices either except for Bale and Modric. Who were their big sales in last 5 years btw: Bale, Walker, Chadli, Modric

 

[Random Task]

Its crazy how much we are spending in last 5 years. Our net spend is almost double that of Chelsea! for God's sake (even though Chelsea's gross spending looks higher). In next 2-3 years, it wont surprise me a bit if we comfortably spend more than City too. This has to stop.

Spurs' net spend is just 2M and I dont remember them selling too many of their players in high prices either except for Bale and Modric. Who were their big sales in last 5 years btw: Bale, Walker, Chadli, Modric

With the club raking in annual profits in the region of £200 million, serious questions would be asked if the Glazers were to suddenly stop reinvesting a considerable portion of those profits back in to the transfer kitty.

I have never understood the relevance of net spend to a football fan, yet it is continually used as some sort of yardstick with which to measure a football clubs expectations of success or lack thereof.

So long as your club sticks within the boundaries set by FFP regulations, that's all that matters.

 

[Mihai]

Its crazy how much we are spending in last 5 years. Our net spend is almost double that of Chelsea! for God's sake (even though Chelsea's gross spending looks higher). In next 2-3 years, it wont surprise me a bit if we comfortably spend more than City too. This has to stop.

Spurs' net spend is just 2M and I dont remember them selling too many of their players in high prices either except for Bale and Modric. Who were their big sales in last 5 years btw: Bale, Walker, Chadli, Modric

Why?

 

[Swift Football]

With the club raking in annual profits in the region of £200 million, serious questions would be asked if the Glazers were to suddenly stop reinvesting a considerable portion of those profits back in to the transfer kitty.

I have never understood the relevance of net spend to a football fan, yet it is continually used as some sort of yardstick with which to measure a football clubs expectations of success or lack thereof.

So long as your club sticks within the boundaries set by FFP regulations, that's all that matters.

Why?

Because spending crazy money on transfers is not a sustainable model. United need to start spending more sensibly. At one point or another. Glazers might stop this huge spending, whether questions asked or not they are the owners afterall, and that could be troubling for us. But my main point is we cannot continue spending in a fashion that we have done last 5 years.

United's net profit in 2017 was around $51M and not £200M. Even if it were 200M, that does not justify reckless spending.

Net spend is directly related to finance of a football club, so obviously it is relevant. Dont know why one can think its not. have you heard of a club named Coventry city, Bolton Wanderers and Blackburn ROvers - all these clubs were messed up badly because of poor financial management.

 

[Mihai]

Because spending crazy money on transfers is not a sustainable model. United need to start spending more sensibly. At one point or another. Glazers might stop this huge spending, whether questions asked or not they are the owners afterall, and that could be troubling for us. But my main point is we cannot continue spending in a fashion that we have done last 5 years.

United's net profit in 2017 was around $51M and not £200M. Even if it were 200M, that does not justify reckless spending.

Net spend is directly related to finance of a football club, so obviously it is relevant. Dont know why one can think its not. have you heard of a club named Coventry city, Bolton Wanderers and Blackburn ROvers - all these clubs were messed up badly because of poor financial management.

I am not sure why you see this model unsustainable. We spend the money that the club generates. It is different than the likes of Blackburn Rovers. Since Jose took over we are predominantly buying top talent in the positions we need, that come at a huge price because of the United tax.

The club is reinvesting the profit it generates in the team and I am more than happy with this.

 

[Swift Football]

Lets go and raid Tottenham. Some big players with 24 months left on contract.
3 Belgians next year including their 1st choice CB's. Jose must be licking his lips.

Toby Alderweireld
Centre-Back
Mar 2, 1989 (29)

30.06.2019 club option 1 year 40,00 Mill. €
Jan Vertonghen
Centre-Back
Apr 24, 1987 (30)

30.06.2019 - 32,00 Mill. €
Mousa Dembélé
Central Midfield
Jul 16, 1987 (30)

30.06.2019 - 18,00 Mill. €
Fernando Llorente
Centre-Forward
Feb 26, 1985 (33)

30.06.2019

Christian Eriksen
Attacking Midfield
Feb 14, 1992 (26)

30.06.2020 - 70,00 Mill. €
Heung-Min Son
Left Wing
Jul 8, 1992 (25)

30.06.2020 - 35,00 Mill. €
Érik Lamela
Right Wing
Mar 4, 1992 (26)

30.06.2020 - 25,00 Mill. €
Kyle Walker-Peters
Right-Back
Apr 13, 1997 (21)

30.06.202

Lets have gentleman's agreement to bring Eriksen here in the summer of 2020 . Signing bonus of 15M should tempt him.

 

[breakout67]

Because spending crazy money on transfers is not a sustainable model. United need to start spending more sensibly. At one point or another. Glazers might stop this huge spending, whether questions asked or not they are the owners afterall, and that could be troubling for us. But my main point is we cannot continue spending in a fashion that we have done last 5 years.

United's net profit in 2017 was around $51M and not £200M. Even if it were 200M, that does not justify reckless spending.

Net spend is directly related to finance of a football club, so obviously it is relevant. Dont know why one can think its not. have you heard of a club named Coventry city, Bolton Wanderers and Blackburn ROvers - all these clubs were messed up badly because of poor financial management.

Who needs qualified experts to tell the club what is good financial investment when you have @Swift Football.

By the way, transfers and wages are part of operating costs. We made a healthy profit after those expenses. Also, when we spend £200m in a transfer window it isn't a lump sum but spread over several years unless we specifically agree to pay a lump sum which is rare.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

The love in continues...

"Pochettino’s success at Tottenham cannot be judged on trophies alone"

The abscence of trophies makes this statement accurate

 

[EyeInTheSky]

With the club raking in annual profits in the region of £200 million, serious questions would be asked if the Glazers were to suddenly stop reinvesting a considerable portion of those profits back in to the transfer kitty.

I have never understood the relevance of net spend to a football fan, yet it is continually used as some sort of yardstick with which to measure a football clubs expectations of success or lack thereof.

So long as your club sticks within the boundaries set by FFP regulations, that's all that matters.

Is that even a thing?

 

[Rhyme Animal]

The love in continues...

"Pochettino’s success at Tottenham cannot be judged on trophies alone"

Shouldn't that headline read...

"Pochettino’s success at Tottenham cannot be judged on trophies at all"

 

[Swift Football]

Who needs qualified experts to tell the club what is good financial investment when you have @Swift Football.

By the way, transfers and wages are part of operating costs. We made a healthy profit after those expenses. Also, when we spend £200m in a transfer window it isn't a lump sum but spread over several years unless we specifically agree to pay a lump sum which is rare.

You seem to make the statement "We made a healthy profit" quite hesitantly there given I already told you in exact figures how much we made in net profit in 2017( that is after operating expenses and tax).

You seem to confuse the "amount spread over several years" to "free"! Lets say, in 2017, we spend 200M in a transfer window, yes it is spread over few years, but we need to pay the pending amount from earlier years like from 2016, 2015 etc, so it is not free, its just matter of payment schedule.

I am not sure why you see this model unsustainable. We spend the money that the club generates. It is different than the likes of Blackburn Rovers. Since Jose took over we are predominantly buying top talent in the positions we need, that come at a huge price because of the United tax.

The club is reinvesting the profit it generates in the team and I am more than happy with this.

Lindelof for 35M is hardly a top talent in CB position. And transfers like that is the reason why I am saying spend wisely, and have proper plans other than just throwing money around. Another example is - if we dint have any plans to use Blind at all after January, why keep him in the squad and pay his wages provided we have enough cover even at the expense of injuries.

WHy do you think other clubs seem to charge that extra United tax at the first place. Because the selling club knows we get deperate easily to get the players we want and we tend to pay what they ask for, so they instantly have the upper hand.

While, so far we are reinvesting the profit that we generated, our net transfer spend has skyrocketed and has to be controlled. It feels like we are taking for granted our revenue generated and do not care. For e.g., hypothetically if we had net spend like that of Chelsea, we would have paid off club's whole debt with the money we actually spent.

 

[Random Task]

Is that even a thing?

Yeah FFP is still a thing (I think!).

 

[breakout67]

You seem to make the statement "We made a healthy profit" quite hesitantly there given I already told you in exact figures how much we made in net profit in 2017( that is after operating expenses and tax).

You seem to confuse the "amount spread over several years" to "free"! Lets say, in 2017, we spend 200M in a transfer window, yes it is spread over few years, but we need to pay the pending amount from earlier years like from 2016, 2015 etc, so it is not free, its just matter of payment schedule.

Not once did I say anything was free. You are in no position to judge the financial health of the club. This idea that you can tell whether our approach is a sustainable model is arrogance personified. The fact that you also brought up Bolton and Blackburn as if they are even comparable let's me know how valuable your financial opinion is.

Ed Woodward is one of the best in the business, I trust his judgment. Also, your example of getting rid of our debt also suggests some sort of financial illiteracy. The debt we have allows us to lower our overall costs, and debt is generally healthy for the club so long as it is proportional to our revenue.

 

[Swift Football]

Not once did I say anything was free. You are in no position to judge the financial health of the club. This idea that you can tell whether our approach is a sustainable model is arrogance personified. The fact that you also brought up Bolton and Blackburn as if they are even comparable let's me know how valuable your financial opinion is.

Ed Woodward is one of the best in the business, I trust his judgment. Also, your example of getting rid of our debt also suggests some sort of financial illiteracy. The debt we have allows us to lower our overall costs, and debt is generally healthy for the club so long as it is proportional to our revenue.

You are just taking my words and connecting to something else I dint mean at all. I dint compare our situation with that of Blackburn but merely point out how things can change quickly if we do not manage our finances. The likes of Coventry city, Blackburns and Leeds were not run by rookies either. Also, I mentioned debt so as to put our spending into perspective, not to suggest we should go ahead and pay off the debt .

I am aware that we are in good financial standing now and Ed Woodward has been excellent so far. But he could do better in controlling our spending. Thats all i am saying. And I am done here, I do not want to change the track of the thread.

 

[Random Task]

Because spending crazy money on transfers is not a sustainable model. United need to start spending more sensibly. At one point or another. Glazers might stop this huge spending, whether questions asked or not they are the owners afterall, and that could be troubling for us. But my main point is we cannot continue spending in a fashion that we have done last 5 years.

United's net profit in 2017 was around $51M and not £200M. Even if it were 200M, that does not justify reckless spending.

Net spend is directly related to finance of a football club, so obviously it is relevant. Dont know why one can think its not. have you heard of a club named Coventry city, Bolton Wanderers and Blackburn ROvers - all these clubs were messed up badly because of poor financial management.

Obviously questioning the business model adopted by the richest football club on planet earth defies all logic. Obviously.

Your average football club tends to spend 50% (a fairly rough estimate I admit) on salary/transfer expenditure as a percentage of total revenue gained annually. United''s turnover last June reached a figure encroaching on £600 million, I feel it is perfectly safe to assume Ed and the gang are doing something right.

 

[Paxi]

Same old Spurs @GlastonSpur

@GlastonSpur

And I bet Glaston would be here explaining how not buying a cabinet goes to improve their net spend and future revenue generation.

Tough watch for @GlastonSpur that.

Pogba running the show against Spurs at their ‘home ground’.

Then again, it was only against Spurs.

Came here to mock Spurs because of you know who.

But do feel for you. Know the heartbreak football causes. Still can't watch the highlights of our pair defeats to Barca even today

Hard luck man.

He won't show he face round here until Spurs have a good result

If not for Glaston, many here would be more appreciative of Spurs in general and feel for the 8th successive semifinal loss. Glaston is bad for Spurs PR

@GlastonSpur

Beating Spurs is ten times sweeter knowing how depressed it makes you. Hope you enjoyed that one pal.

I'm glad we won anyway of course, but also because I can still moan about how unfair it was having a semi final at their home fecking ground and I can't be accused of being a sore loser.

@GlastonSpur's notifications must be going crazy.

It's crazy how much he has managed to annoy Utd fans when you think of how Spurs win feck all and bottle every really important match.

Can you imagine how arrogant and smug he'd be if Spurs actually won trophies?

There are far easier ways to bait @GlastonSpur out of the lurkers section. Just say his name 3 times and he shall appear.

Dare you. Double dare you.

@GlastonSpur

One of my 3 posts for the day, very well spent

COME ON UNITED

@GlastonSpur

Sorry, it’s my PHONE.

@GlastonSpur @GlastonSpur @GlastonSpur

... nothing.

Not like him to go to the mattresses when Spurs get all Spursy is it? Poor guy.

@GlastonSpur

Serious question; what is your opinion on Spurs consistently bottling the important matches?

I think even if Spurs did win yesterday, they would have still lost the final. It seems ingrained into their DNA.

What needs to change at the club in your opinion? What would you improve if you took over from Levy?

Not trolling you, genuinely interested in hearing your thoughts.

@GlastonSpur

This is fabulous. Absolutely fabulous!

@GlastonSpur

 

[Scroto Baggins]

Whilst they do have some great players they have some serious dross. Im still not sure what it is exactly that Sissoko and Lamela do, Aurier is a walking red card/disaster that could lead to a goal. Dier, still too many unforced errors in his game, lazy passes that are intercepted mostly. Thought he would grow out of it as he matured but they are still present, his positional play, cover and everything else is excellent. Could easily be backup to Matic if he sharpened up that part of his game.

You would probably give Dier another year, Lamela and Sissoko not good enough. Llorente is not getting any younger, a genuine backup for Kane is needed. Aurier replacement, every time ive seen him hes giving away penalties or getting red carded.

As far as players going they dont want to lose id imagine Eriksen, Alderweireld and Rose are off. Sanchez will step in for Alderweireld, they will still be light on CB's but have the young kid Foyth. Their young FB I forget his name for Rose. Finding a replacement for Eriksen just isnt possible, the dood is total class and will go to one of the giants, but it certainly will not be cheap. But with clubs throwing around cash like confetti im sure Levy is rubbing his hands together.

 

[Mihai]

@Swift Football, sorry I won't derail the thread any further.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

Spurs really is a one of a kind club

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

Spurs really is a one of a kind club

This is the Spursyiest thing yet.. such a weak mentality surrounds that whole club.

 

[FootyGirl88]

Did it really matter in all honesty?? The tweet was neither here nor there, kane needs to get a grip.