I've been a bit flaky on this one (voted no, but then moaned about how I might be coming round to the idea.) But when you think about it, it is amazing that so many want to replace LVG with the one coach who arguably has done a worse job this year (and is hardly renowned for having his teams play attractive football.) Other than some blind hope that he'll become good again (and if he's given that benefit of the doubt, then why should't Van Gaal be given it as well?), there doesn't seem to be any logic behind replacing LVG with Mourinho.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
He should go to AC Milan. Perfect opportunity to restore a team to its past glory.
Blind hope that he will become good again? Mourinho? He has been successful everywhere he has gone (including his second spell at Chelsea). Until this season he did a fantastic job. He is the reigning Premier League champion with an incredible CV.
His behaviour is very questionable but his record and results are not.
This "attractive football" stuff is utter nonsense. One of my favourite ever United wins was when they ended Arsenal's unbeaten run by basically kicking them off the pitch. It was brilliant.
Don't be ridiculous with blind hope and comparisons with LVG. This is the first season in the last 13 years or so that Mourinho wouldn't finish in top 3 in a league. Van Gaal has more finishes outside of top 3 than in in this century. In addition, Mourinho has won something like 8 league titles and 2 UCL this century while LVG has won two league title, and was sacked from both Barca and Bayern for being outside of UCL zone.
At some degree, what LVG is doing can be considered as the norm. His career is hit and miss, with misses being in this century while hits being in the nineties. For Mourinho, this was clearly an outlier.
You could also argue he is still the current reigning champion
and Chelsea haven't been fairing all that much better since he was kicked out, certainly not as if they've done a 180 since his departure.Personally feel, this club needs to win first and foremost to keep the revenue rolling in, off the field we're a business juggernaut and Mourinho is as close a lock to achieving and maintaining that as you're ever going to get in football.
I find it breathtaking that this clubs board would pass him over and appoint Giggs. (and not in a good way.)
Right there with you, especially on the flaky response to Mourinho. But Revan is right, Mourinho has demonstrated much more than Van Gaal. It does seem perverse to hire a manager who has done even worse, but there very definite reasons to believe Mourinho would improve us.
I'm still hugely ambivalent about him tho.
Doesn't like Italians. Sees too much of himself in them. Doesn't want to be a big fish which looks like all the other fish who just think they are big fish. In a small pond.
I couldnt see him going there after his time with Inter.
There is more risk in losing out on Mourinho forever than letting him run the team for a couple of seasons.
If he starts acting like a shit bag we sack him, I'd rather he was given the chance as the man is a serial winner. After Fergie, there aren't many other managers the players would love to work with (save for Mata)
If he starts acting like a shit bag we sack him, I'd rather he was given the chance as the man is a serial winner. After Fergie, there aren't many other managers the players would love to work with (save for Mata)
Why? Leonardo managed both of them in successive seasons just a few years ago. Trapattoni has managed all 3 of Juventus, Milan and Inter.
I don't know,he seemed to have a lot of respect for Inter,it was his team,he was very upset when he left them.
I couldn't see him joining their main rivals.
How have we not signed him yet
That doesn't really help his case, in my opinion. I agree with you about Giggs.You could also argue he is still the current reigning champion
Personally feel, this club needs to win first and foremost to keep the revenue rolling in, off the field we're a business juggernaut and Mourinho is as close a lock to achieving and maintaining that as you're ever going to get in football.
I find it breathtaking that this clubs board would pass him over and appoint Giggs. (and not in a good way.)
After watching this shite, I'd happily take Mourinho at half time today, if that deal was possible.
I'm of the belief that anyone who wouldn't want Jose in wants us to struggle
Im at my breaking point. There is a fire burning down the house and idiots refuse to break the glass and extinguish the feck out of it. Break the fecking glass and grab the best manager in football.
http://www.oneworldsports.com/stories/jose-mourinho-looking-join-premier-league
tl;dr Woodward wants Mourinho, Mourinho wants us, Woodward doesn't want to sack LVG mid-season, Mourinho will join in summer.
Duncan Castles might be a dick but he certainly has an in with Mourinho's camp.
tl;dr Woodward wants Mourinho, Mourinho wants us, Woodward doesn't want to sack LVG mid-season, Mourinho will join in summer.
Duncan Castles might be a dick but he certainly has an in with Mourinho's camp.
Never heard of that site, but would be very happy if this does turn out to be true.
Just woah.
If Pep's really going to City, LVG out respectfully by mutual consent this summer and Mourinho in would be the sensible and correct solution. I just hope LVG can deliver his old friend Mourinho a Champions League spot as a welcome to OT present.
If we can't get Pep he's probably the only viable candidate left unfortunately.
This, some people take so much join is muttering "The United Way" one has to wonder if they are enjoying our current predicament so they can lecture everyone.
Guardiola and Mourinho both available. If we opt for Giggs we deserve what we inevitably will get.
Mourinho being appointed in summer makes the most sense. I'd be surprised if it didn't happen.
Mourinho being appointed in summer makes the most sense. I'd be surprised if it didn't happen.
Jesus, I hope Castles is right for once!
New Jose Mourinho quotes from yesterday:
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...e-wants-new-job-as-soon-as-possible-man-unite
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...e-wants-new-job-as-soon-as-possible-man-unite
Now?
ok
Baffled how we haven't gotten him in yet!
Its obvious that they will be a lot of movement this Summer. But the United board would rather struggle with Van Gaal that hire him.
Think Jose should simply bid his time and get another job . Maybe go home for a while and be with his father.
Maybe come back in a year, Zidane might not last at Real. Maybe try Germany .
Think Jose should simply bid his time and get another job . Maybe go home for a while and be with his father.
Maybe come back in a year, Zidane might not last at Real. Maybe try Germany .
100 times better than Van Gaal.
Still no fecking way. Different shades of shit is still shit.
E.Woodward should be on the phone to Jose telling him that we want him to commit right now and come in on Monday.
My fear is that we will miss out on Mourinho and then end up with a sub standard manager who will waste another season.
And with ever season we fail to win anything, the more difficult it is to get back to winning ways.
My fear is that we will miss out on Mourinho and then end up with a sub standard manager who will waste another season.
And with ever season we fail to win anything, the more difficult it is to get back to winning ways.
Changed vote to yes, because it can't get worse.
If we had gotten him in a month ago we could still be in the title hunt.
There's still time to make top 4 and challenge for the other two trophies if we appoint him now.
There's still time to make top 4 and challenge for the other two trophies if we appoint him now.
I wanted him and still do but in a way it'll piss me off a bit if we do hire him now. We'd have thrown away the Stoke, Chelsea, Newcastle, Southampton games and the January window delaying.
Basically this seems destined to happen
I agree, but at the same time, better late than never.
Honestly, I just can't figure out what exactly we're waiting for. At this rate, we might miss out on the Champions League. Last time that happened, the club lost about £50 million+ in revenues, so why not make a change now - when terminating his contract will mean £10 million residual wages tops? Doesn't that make a bit of business sense, apart from the obvious sporting benefit?
That lost revenue bit is just the tip of the iceberg. Delve a little deeper, and will an elite manager/ replacement want to take charge of a team that isn't playing in the Champions League? Plus, will the top, top players want to join the club when we might be missing out on the Premier European club competition for the second time in three seasons? To be fair, Di María transferred to a United team that was out of Europe altogether, but that season under Moyes was perceived to be a blip and he was essentially being forced out of Madrid. Not qualifying for the Champions League will hurt us a lot, on multiple fronts.
Appoint José now, he might create a siege mentality, and that change in mood might uplift the players. Even if we fail to qualify for the Champions League, at the very least he'll have sufficient time to assess the squad first hand with an eye on the summer transfer market, and maybe we will end the season on a positive note - building momentum for 2016/ 2017. Because as things stand, we might regress further and end the season with a whimper, which is what happened last season too. It's pretty evident that there won't be progression under the current manager. A couple decent results (point wise) amid an abject couple of months don't half fill you with confidence.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-under-david-moyes-cost-club-50m-9381431.html
That lost revenue bit is just the tip of the iceberg. Delve a little deeper, and will an elite manager/ replacement want to take charge of a team that isn't playing in the Champions League? Plus, will the top, top players want to join the club when we might be missing out on the Premier European club competition for the second time in three seasons? To be fair, Di María transferred to a United team that was out of Europe altogether, but that season under Moyes was perceived to be a blip and he was essentially being forced out of Madrid. Not qualifying for the Champions League will hurt us a lot, on multiple fronts.
Appoint José now, he might create a siege mentality, and that change in mood might uplift the players. Even if we fail to qualify for the Champions League, at the very least he'll have sufficient time to assess the squad first hand with an eye on the summer transfer market, and maybe we will end the season on a positive note - building momentum for 2016/ 2017. Because as things stand, we might regress further and end the season with a whimper, which is what happened last season too. It's pretty evident that there won't be progression under the current manager. A couple decent results (point wise) amid an abject couple of months don't half fill you with confidence.
This. Especially the part about assessing the swuad ready for the summer window.Honestly, I just can't figure out what exactly we're waiting for. At this rate, we might miss out on the Champions League. Last time that happened, the club lost about £50 million+ in revenues, so why not make a change now when terminating his contract will mean £10 million residual wages tops? Doesn't that make a bit of business sense, apart from the obvious sporting benefit:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-under-david-moyes-cost-club-50m-9381431.html
That lost revenue bit is just the tip of the iceberg. Delve a little deeper, and will an elite manager/ replacement want to take charge of a team that isn't playing in the Champions League? Plus, will the top, top players want to join the club when we might be missing out on the Premier European club competition for the second time in three seasons? To be fair, Di María transferred to a United team that was out of Europe altogether, but that season under Moyes was perceived to be a blip and he was essentially being forced out of Madrid. Not qualifying for the Champions League will hurt us a lot, on multiple fronts. Appoint José now, he might create a siege mentality, and that change in mood might uplift the players. Even if we fail to qualify for the Champions League, at the very least he'll have sufficient time to assess the squad first hand, and maybe we will end the season on a positive note - building momentum for 2016/ 2017. Because as things stand we might regress further and end the season with a whimper, which is what happened last season too. It's pretty evident that there won't be progression under the current manager. A couple decent results (point wise) amid an abject couple of months doesn't half fill you with confidence.
Un-fecking-believable how we've not gotten him yet.
From a footballing perspective, business perspective, brand, players, etc....LVG is utterly destroying our club.
And arrogant, stubborn and basically an idiot, on top!
From a footballing perspective, business perspective, brand, players, etc....LVG is utterly destroying our club.
And arrogant, stubborn and basically an idiot, on top!