I don't want him at United either but I will say he is a far better player than Cleverley and Anderson. At Everton he was a well regarded player who was on the wishlist of fans of our club and Arsenal, Chelsea.
Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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He can't pass/run to save his life, ffs.
He's not the quality required at United, and that is being sorted out now by the management. Injuries haven't helped him. He's been completely overawed by it all. But at least he has tried to adapt to a new role, in a new environment. He's not good enough. That's it at United.
At Everton he was an excellent player for them. He started off as a defensive minded midfielder next to Arteta and it was only when Cahill departed that he got pushed further up. It seems people have short memories of his time at Everton because a.) he is the personification for the Moyes era and b.) his success at Everton was under Moyes so we all want to believe it was complete long ball, chest, head, elbow playing style. That's not the case
He's not a terrible player but he's not a central midfielder. Play him off the striker and lump the ball into him and he'd do rightly. Stick him in midfield and he looks lost.
He doesn't have the skillset to make it as a midfielder here. Anderson did once upon a time, he's just a waster. He's more talented than Fellaini though; better passer, better movement, mobility and drive.
Fellaini is better in the air and controlling a ball on his chest. That's about it really.
I don't know what Anderson you've been watching over the past few years. As I said, Fellaini scored 10 or more goals in a season for Everton, but I suppose Ando is better at scoring too?
The 'talented' tag attached to Anderson for showing promise when he was 19 is, again, baffling. Nani for example is somebody who I'd say is genuinely talented. He's at least proven himself in a United shirt and gets picked consistently for Portugal, but went badly downhill. Anderson on the other hand never reached that point.
Not true at all. Mata was a Moyes signing.
Fellaini is incomprehensibly awful. He's just genuinely that bad. Non-United fans tend to think the same thing.
Its nice to see comparisions between United's most overrated player in recent history and the most underrated one
good player, not suited for a top club aiming to play attractive football. Everything is said about him, not good enough in CM and as a no 10, well we all know what he can bring to a team in that position, but not for us. What i dont understand is that he was always pumped up and aggressive at Everton for the big games, now that he palys for us he rarely wins a header and tackles. He would even lose a header against Valbuena.
Kevin Nolan has done the same on multiple occasions, I wouldn't class him as a great goal scorer either. Like Nolan, Fellaini is capable of scoring a few when he plays under a long ball merchant like David Moyes or Sam Allardyce. That's not going to happen here so it's irrelevant. We're not going to play a tactical plan of 'lump it to the big man' at this club.
Ravel Morrison has never fulfilled his potential either. Should we say that he's not talented? you don't have to fulfil your potential to be classed as talented. That's just silly. Anderson had the ability to succeed here as a midfielder, he just didn't have the mental nor physical characteristics required.
The technical ability he possessed was on a completely different level to Fellaini though. I don't see how it's even debatable.
Fellaini isn't half as bad as some make him out. He was excellent for Everton who were always looking finish in the top 6.
Napoli are a decent team too and they're apparantly interested in him. Different types of players but would a team as good as Napoli be interested in Cleverley or Ando? I doubt it.
All of that said, we should get rid but people are acting like we've got a Championship player on our hands.
Napoli are a decent team too and they're apparantly interested in him. Different types of players but would a team as good as Napoli be interested in Cleverley or Ando? I doubt it.
All of that said, we should get rid but people are acting like we've got a Championship player on our hands.
I don't think he's a bad player, but he's not a Manchester United player. As for Cleverley, he is far more likely to suit van Gaal's system than Fellaini. Marouane was a bad purchase, arguably our worst.
Mata didn't come from Everton and you'd have to be insane to question his talent. It's not really the same at all. Fellaini might as well have 'Moyes' written across his forehead with some fans. He's certainly not the useless midfielder he's made out to be though, especially among our other midfield options, who are apparently all light-years ahead of him.
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Doesn't mata (matter) if Moyes signed Mata or not, Mata is not a Moyes type player and doesn't have Moyes' scent all over him.
But every time people see Fellaini, they'll just think of Moyes, he's like the last stench of Moyes still at United.
But every time people see Fellaini, they'll just think of Moyes, he's like the last stench of Moyes still at United.
This is where our opinions differ though. I don't think that Anderson ever had much talent to fulfill. I'm not even calling Fellaini talented, but I don't hold Anderson any more above him. What has he done to warrant that?
Rafa has previous in buying awkward target men such as Peter Crouch. Fellaini is not Championship level but he is not good enough to play in midfield for a top four premier league side and he is very expensive in terms of wages for a "bring off the bench if we are losing" plan B. I agree on Ando and Cleverley (the former is much closer to championship level than Fellaini) but the fact that our other midfield options are not inspiring should not be a factor in whether to retain him - there are much better central midfielders out there, even if we can't land some one at the Vidal level.
Fellaini has only made 12 league starts for us and he was decent in about half of those matches. The fact that most here have completely written him off already is absurd.
He looked decent against bottom of the table dross but way out of his depth against good opposition. He also looked inadequate in the World Cup. Plus he was playing in the premier league for many years before United bought him so it's not like he is being judged on 12 starts. If we have a 26 years old on 100k a week, he needs to be able to do more than play well against the likes of Crystal Palace. I'm not sure Fellaini can, at least in midfield.
Consistently getting wins over bottom of the table dross leads to league titles. And the fact he can excel in those matches means he can still have at least some use for us over a season. While there is no denying that he was horrible against top class sides but, so was the rest of the squad. Last season the whole team shriveled up and died against good competition so Fellaini can not be the only one who gets beat with that stick.
But many of the others who looked horrible last season had previously showed they belonged at United's level. With Fellaini, the evidence suggests that's all he can do. I agree that wins over bottom of the league sides are important but, for those wages, we can reasonably expect to get someone who can perform against better sides as well. As for the transfer fee, it's now a sunk cost, and, like Liverpool with Carroll, we just have to hope we find a willing buyer.
Our sights are set a bit higher than that. He's not good enough.
I know all that. But even at Everton, he was slow. He had to "rely" on others to pass the ball forward. And he excelled in his new role, only because they played it to his strengths, something which would never happen at United (adapting to his particular style). Had he been even a decent CM, I guess it would have been okay as we would have had a back up at least, but we can't even look at him in that way!
It's not absurd, most never wanted him in the first place. He is not, and should never have been, a Manchester United player.
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The guy is already prepping to be a pundit/journalist, just leaked transfer news about Lukaku. Move to BT Sports might be on the cards!
[QUOTE="KiD MoYeS, post: 16160418, member: 48866"]It's not absurd, most never wanted him in the first place. He is not, and should never have been, a Manchester United player.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I think that is why people are so negative about him more than his actual performances in a United shirt.
Yeah I think that is why people are so negative about him more than his actual performances in a United shirt.
Yeah I think that is why people are so negative about him more than his actual performances in a United shirt.[/QUOTE]
But his performances have been mainly poor, or average at best. And he cost close to £30 million. That's some achievement considering how weak our midfield is.
If Van Gaal is focused on signing defenders, I'd keep Fellaini.
Our midfield is pitiful and I'd like as many options as possible this season. If we signed two midfielders though, I'd be glad to see him gone.
Our midfield is pitiful and I'd like as many options as possible this season. If we signed two midfielders though, I'd be glad to see him gone.
The thing is, Van Gaal has identified that he sees Fellaini as a number 10, although Fellaini has often said he wants to play the number 6 role.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...ould-prefer-to-play-as-a-defensive-midfielder
Convinced most Utd fans blindly hate Fellaini cause he cost us the title those years back and because Moyes brought him in.
Fellaini would make it at most reasonably big clubs like Arsenal, Juventus, Chelsea, Inter Milan, etc. Can you honestly see the likes of them signing Carrick and Fletcher? No. Fellaini is our best midfielder right now. Herrera is more like a deep lying playmaker type. Fellaini is the Anchor. He covers it all. He can score and run back to defend. Fellaini in 12/13 was better than all our midfielders right now ever were.
There's too much blind hatred in this thread for my liking.
Fellaini would make it at most reasonably big clubs like Arsenal, Juventus, Chelsea, Inter Milan, etc. Can you honestly see the likes of them signing Carrick and Fletcher? No. Fellaini is our best midfielder right now. Herrera is more like a deep lying playmaker type. Fellaini is the Anchor. He covers it all. He can score and run back to defend. Fellaini in 12/13 was better than all our midfielders right now ever were.
There's too much blind hatred in this thread for my liking.
He's the anchor that cemented us to the 7th place alright.
Yeah I think that is why people are so negative about him more than his actual performances in a United shirt.[/QUOTE]
No, its because he's utter shite. The fact he cost £28 million just compounds the matter.
I think Carrick to Arsenal is more believable than Fellaini to Arsenal.
Fellaini was already linked with Arsenal. If Carrick moved on, the only clubs that would be in for him would be the likes of Newcastle, West Ham. As for Fletcher, he would only be signed by the likes of Stoke. The fact that people are even suggesting That these two in their current age are better than Fellaini is baffling. That's just blind favouritism at its finest.
Fellaini starts every game for Belgium (ranked TOP 5 in the world) and Carrick can't even get picked for arguably the worst England side ever.... I'll say no more....
Strange line of thinking, Carrick has been playing in United for how long it was, like 8 years. We surely have enough data to see if he is suited to be United player.
Fellaini while being an okay player, which he proved in Everton is long way off in terms of proving he is capable of being a CL-team player.
By his agent probably or Moyes himself. They are the only two people in a whole world, well apart of some very odd persons, that think Fellaini is a 100k and +25M player.
Pretty sure that will be what LVG will conclude. And it' fine by me.
Fellaini is one of our worst midfielders. He can play up behind the front man, causing trouble. He's an absolutely awful, awful anchor. His positioning is poor, he's not physically imposing enough for his size, and his distribution has no bit of intelligence. Carrick is far superior to him, even plays a better defensive role whilst being a miles better passer. Fletcher, even after his illness, is better than him.
Nothing to do with hatred. He seems a nice enough, reserved guy. He's just not good enough for United, not to play the style of football we want.
Arsene Wenger's Premiership champions declared an interest in Carrick - the player Redknapp awarded a senior debut at Upton Park five years ago at 18 - after Pompey launched a club-record bid for the England international.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...senal-killing-Carrick-deal.html#ixzz38y4RCiSJ
Now, I'm not saying the daily fail were right on the fact he was linked, but I don't know what the source is that Fail-aini was linked to them either. It's telling, however, that the only manager to have signed the lump in England is David Moyes. Whereas Sir Alex Ferguson, a man who knows a little about football, signed Carrick, and not only that, made him a mainstay of repeat championship winning sides.
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What is wrong with you ? Fellaini 2012/ 2013 was a #10 behind Jelavic. How could he be better than any of our midfielders when it's not even a direct comparison (also ever ?..... Carrick in 2012/ 2013 was perhaps the best CM in the league not named Yaya Toure, Fletcher was one of the most effective DMs in Europe before missing out the Rome final/ bowel condition). You repeatedly make banal statements then accuse others of being blinded by hate. Atleast put forth some cogent arguments..
As for United missing out on the title before that season :
Is this where a central midfielder supposed to play ?
I can't believe that you're laying in to Carrick. He was incredible the season before Moyes and consistently had to run that terrible midfield. He had a poor year, like nearly the entire squad and now you're writing him off as a West Ham level player? If he did leave United, I'd love Spurs to be interested in bringing him back. He'd instantly become our best passer of the ball.
Fellaini is decent just behind the striker, where he played all his best football for Everton. Where he can knock balls down, head a few in the net and cause a bit of trouble with his physicality. In the centre of midfield he's nowhere near as experienced as Carrick/Fletcher nor does he have the skillset required to play it competently. He's immobile as it gets and is a poor passer of the ball. All his best attributes are wasted in that area, so yes those two are superior central midfielders.
Fellaini starts every game for Belgium because they have a pretty awful central midfield. Dembele, Naingollan, Witsel and Defour are the only remotely competent Belgian players I can think of that can play that position. Witsel's good and played the position far better than Fellaini, Dembele is a bit rubbish to be honest so being ahead of him is nothing to shout about. Defour's pretty crap and I don't know much about Naingollan but by all accounts he should've gone.
Don't act like just because they are top 5 he's competing with some brilliant players. He also managed to look the worst player in that midfield.
Carrick didn't get picked because he had a poor year. That doesn't make him an inferior midfielder. I very much doubt Fellaini would've started for England after his horrible season either. He certainly wouldn't have got a game over Henderson or Gerrard in the center, neither of which are very good but both can somewhat play it. He also wasn't picked because Roy preferred Lampard for no reason at all, he should've gone but didn't because Roy couldn't see past a poor club season. He's the only English player capable of keeping the ball well.
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