Ahead of Rvp and Rooney?
Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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Ahead of Rvp and Rooney?
I know right. "Look guys, our 27m man is only slightly worse than a Crystal Palace player so he MUST be good enough"
Fellaini would walk into the Arsenal team ffs 
There's debate on this forum whether he's better or not than Tom Cleverley, which says it all. He wouldn't even make the Arsenal bench.
There's debate on this forum whether he's better or not than Tom Cleverley, which says it all. He wouldn't even make the Arsenal bench.@jason93 is obviously taking arguments to an extreme, but I agree that Fellaini is not as bad as 90% of the posters make him to be.
He had a pretty poor season for us under Moyes, but he was good for Everton and he is doing a good job for Belgium too. He is a limited footballer, but he could be useful in some situations. Football is not only tiki-taka, sometimes when Plan A fails and we are losing we might need to resort to hoofing it in the box in the last 10 minutes. LVG has done it at the WC. And even if you don't want to hoof it, there are plenty of set-pieces each game - he is very useful in those, both attacking and defending. Even if he doesn't score that many he is still occupying they best defender, so RVP, Evans, Smalling, etc. have more freedom. I don't think he is good enough to be a starter for us, but coming off the bench in certain games could give us something we otherwise lack.
He had a pretty poor season for us under Moyes, but he was good for Everton and he is doing a good job for Belgium too. He is a limited footballer, but he could be useful in some situations. Football is not only tiki-taka, sometimes when Plan A fails and we are losing we might need to resort to hoofing it in the box in the last 10 minutes. LVG has done it at the WC. And even if you don't want to hoof it, there are plenty of set-pieces each game - he is very useful in those, both attacking and defending. Even if he doesn't score that many he is still occupying they best defender, so RVP, Evans, Smalling, etc. have more freedom. I don't think he is good enough to be a starter for us, but coming off the bench in certain games could give us something we otherwise lack.
Maybe not ahead of RVP but ahead of Rooney and Welbeck, sure. I'm one of the few that wanted Rooney shipped off last season.
The last time we played Chicharito as a regular, we won our 19th league title and reached the Champions League final. I see no reason why he can't rotate with the 2, rather than be benched every game and brought on with 10 minutes to go.
You can argue till you're blue in the face that that's his best role but that's only because it's all we know. But to those who saw him in his first season, he probably will go down as one of Ferguson's best signings ever. £6 million was it? And he drove us to that much success in his first season. As an unknown no less. That sort of thing is rare.
Good post. Definitely much better than most on here give him credit for, but it's a tough one and if we get a bid of 15m we'd probably best cut our losses.
Just get that piece of shit out of the club already. I don't care if we pay a club to take him on, I'm just so fecking tired of seeing him and that freaking wig he's wearing. Just watch the youtube videos where he shows his skills and you see the guy can hardly keep the ball at his feet even when the ball is dead on the ground. The ball looks like a wet soap at his disposal and we paid 27,5m euro... No matter what transfer other clubs will do they will always have this to throw in our face. We're pretty much fecked.
Wake me up when he's sold. I don't want to watch another match with this joke in our side.
Wake me up when he's sold. I don't want to watch another match with this joke in our side.
Van Gaal can't even get his name correct. That says it all pretty much
He cut his hair earlier this summer after the World Cup.
And we also spent £27.5, not Euros. Which is worse.
Think that was fake, Januzaj posted a training pic where he had his hair
It baffles me that people don't see football as entertainment and not just about winning and losing.
Indeed it can. Greece won the European Championship whilst playing horrendous football. Ugly football sometimes win matches, but I would rather see United play well and win most of their matches and lose some than play negative football and win matches 1-0 at every opportunity.
He's had plenty of chances over the last few years where he's started games but he hasn't looked anywhere near the level he reached in his debut season. I think you'd struggle to find anyone else that thinks he deserves a start ahead of Rooney or RVP.
The way I see it, he's exceptional at two things - finishing and movement off the ball, but the rest of his game is below average. He has a poor first touch, can't dribble with the ball and has an extremely limited passing range. He's improved slightly as a footballer since his first season but that seems to have been detrimental to his overall game. He'll never be anything more than a penalty box striker and is a hindrance to our build up play so should focus on what he's genuinely very good at.
In his second season he was dropped for Welbeck because the latter is simply a better all round footballer, and one who could get significantly better. In contrast I get the feeling we've seen all Hernandez has to offer. If I had the choice between him and Welbeck to start I'd always chose the latter personally.
Hernandez is a great lad, works his balls off and can score goals, but for me he's vastly overrated, particularly by people outside the club. He's still a great option from the bench and I'd like him to stay if he's keen to do that, but he will never be a guaranteed starter for us. Bear in mind that, in this formation, wide players' only chance of regular game time is up top, so the competition is more fierce than ever. It'd be sad to see him go, but he wouldn't be a huge loss.
I think Carrick would flourish just as much. Carrick has been integral in a 2 man midfield. I like how you add in another player who we don't have, alongside Fellaini. I'd substitute either Fletch or Carrick ahead of Fellaini in that 3 man midfield you mention and personally feel it's a lot stronger.
As for winning at all costs, that's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I want us to win in style, and at the very least, play in style. But I totally get your opinion.
However, as an Irish person who has had to endure Jack Charlton & Giovanni Trapattoni football, I can tell you, dull football wears off.
Dude, Juventus signed Bendtner. Any negative opinions towards Fellaini joining Juventus are null and void.
As for Arsenal, he would walk into their side and infinitively play more games than Jack Wheelchair. He was at the top of most Arsenal fans wish list after his 12/13 season.
As for people saying he can't play/hasn't played the anchor role at Everton, I'll leave this here...
This "Fellaini is a tree who can only chest and elbow people in the #10" hybrid opinion pisses me off to no end. On top of that, you have people saying "He doesn't suit the style of play we want to play"... How do you know what style of play he wants to play? Mata and Kagawa are fairly similar in their styles. Fellaini is a completely different #10. And a completely different CM to the rest. You need variety in the team.
You are. You're also allowed to be gutted we sold Bebe, allowed to rate Fellaini higher than Carrick, and allowed to think Valencia, Nani and Zaha are better than Januzaj.
And I am allowed to point out that a collection of opinions like that makes you either a WUM or not very bright. Football is not 100% subjective. Some opinions are plain daft.
So you think he should start, based on his performances as a regular in his first season? By that rationale, Anderson should start, as he hasn't been a regular since his first season, when we won the double.
True about Greece. But that's why I said 'trophies' and not 'trophy'. Truly 'ugly' football will get found out eventually. You really can't win trophies regularly and play terrible football doing it.
As an example: People label a lot of Chelsea's winning teams (especially Mourinho's teams) as ugly. But they weren't, and they actually scored lots of goals, some of them being very aesthetically pleasing.
The only truly ugly trophy win was the Champions League.
But I agree, I'd rather we go out trying to win playing well, instead of win at all costs.
And hopefully that's what happens under Van Gaal. But there will probably have to be a compromise at times.
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I hope you have your pills ready when you wake up to see Fellaini in a Napoli shirt
Get £18m and we'll have done very well.
Well, as well as losing £9.5m in less than full year, but still.
Well, as well as losing £9.5m in less than full year, but still.
Van Gaal will certainly give Fellaini a fair crack at the whip, as we have seen with basically every other player apart from Bebe.
Who knows, maybe Van Gaal will grow to like him?. IF he can cut out the use of his elbows and stop giving away silly fouls he could become a good player.
I think the problem with him in Moyes' team is he had no structure. He was playing as a B2B, but he just isn't suited like that. I think if he's holding next to Herrera and being more disciplined it will help him keep in control better.
Who knows, maybe Van Gaal will grow to like him?. IF he can cut out the use of his elbows and stop giving away silly fouls he could become a good player.
I think the problem with him in Moyes' team is he had no structure. He was playing as a B2B, but he just isn't suited like that. I think if he's holding next to Herrera and being more disciplined it will help him keep in control better.
Losing Fellaini = more important than losing £9.5m
Would you agree that the type of CM a team has determines the way it plays?
Now visualize Fellaini in Van Gaal's philosophy. While you're at it visualize Fellaini in any of Van Gaal past club teams.
Is your answer still the same?
Fellaini has a specific sets of skills that do not match the qualities we should be looking for in a CM that enable us to play the Van Gaal way. Yes, he can be useful in certain aspects of a game either as a plan B or height advantage against physical teams. But going hoof ball should be the last approach as we can already change between different formations during the game. With the wages he's on, he'll be an expensive backup that will probably play very rarely.
Now visualize Fellaini in Van Gaal's philosophy. While you're at it visualize Fellaini in any of Van Gaal past club teams.
Is your answer still the same?
Fellaini has a specific sets of skills that do not match the qualities we should be looking for in a CM that enable us to play the Van Gaal way. Yes, he can be useful in certain aspects of a game either as a plan B or height advantage against physical teams. But going hoof ball should be the last approach as we can already change between different formations during the game. With the wages he's on, he'll be an expensive backup that will probably play very rarely.
Who on earth is Dries Mertens and have we actually been offered him in exchange?
He's the Belgian lad from the World Cup who refused to pass the ball to anyone.
Well at least he has the option to I suppose, unlike Fellaini.
So it's starting to look likely he'll be off.
I'm struggling to remember a worse transfer here.
I'm struggling to remember a worse transfer here.
It was a terrible transfer but the change in manager has made it look a lot worse.
Fellaini is by far the worst! What was Moyes thinking?? 27 mil, seriously! K. Dalglish was probably drunk when he signed Carrol, but Moyes doesn't even have that excuse!
I will be pretty annoyed that we didn't give him a second season, he wasn't amazing but then who was last season?. He deserves a chance to steak his claim here, but then if LVG really doesn't want him I suppose it's best he moves on. Rumours are £15M which won't be an awful return I guess.
Where could he fit into van Gaal's system? Even if you rate Fellaini you surely couldn't see him in a van Gaal team?
More like £15 million, tops. You'd have to be incredibly shite at negotiating to sign Fellaini for £18 mil from us.
I see no reason why he couldn't play the Fletcher role against LA or Inter.
If LVG can get Rooney playing fast 1 touch football then anybody has hope.
Rooney is a talented footballer though? Fellaini is not.
Give him a second season for what reason? For his value to depreciate further?
We want to be a team that you know plays football, not hoofball, unfortunately he has absolutely none of the qualities required to play under LVG.
One of our worst signings. His the player version of Moyes good for a midtable club playing a certain brand of football but a dear in headlights at the top level.
With a bit of luck he'll be gone soon. I don't see any reason why we would want to keep him or even give him another chance, he represents and optimises everything about an experiment gone wrong, the Moyes experiment. On top of that, he's useless. The job is just too big for him like it was for Moyes.
I honestly don't think there is one. In terms of transfer fee and what we got in return. He's on par with Chelsea's Shevchenko and Torres. He has to be our worst signing ever.
Rooney has always been capable of that though and is an excellent player, always has been. Fellaini is just shit and only good at bringing the ball down on his chest, he's not good defensively, he's shite on the ball, he's slow and lazy and has no positional awareness. That's why he couldn't play the fletcher role. Fletcher is twice the footballer he could ever hope to be.
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