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Should we sign Ibra on a free this summer ?

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Raoul said:
Its laughably irrelevant since Zlatan is an experienced player who has played a career at big clubs like PSG, AC Milan, Juventus, Inter Milan, Barcelona etc, whereas Memphis is a one season teenage wonder in the Dutch league.
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Obviously they are different situations. In one you have a kid on the up in a weak league. On the other you have a seasoned old pro on the way down in a weak league. In both instances tho the player is NOT in his prime and is not playing in a competitive league.

I have no doubt you can see the comparison perfectly well but are choosing not to, which is your prerogative I guess.
 
Adebesi said:
Obviously they are different situations. In one you have a kid on the up in a weak league. On the other you have a seasoned old pro on the way down in a weak league. In both instances tho the player is NOT in his prime and is not playing in a competitive league.

I have no doubt you can see the comparison perfectly well but are choosing not to, which is your prerogative I guess.
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If Ibra had knocked in about 20 goals in France, i may think this would be a risky proposition. But the fact that he just had the best year of his entire career, makes this a no brainer, in fact it would be the height of negligence and incompetence if we, in our state of complete dogshitness, didn't at a minimum make an inquiry about signing him.
 
Man-United said:
On his way down :lol: :lol:
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You asked about his age and the relevance of that. And now you are laughing about being on the way down. So you dont think 34 year olds are past their prime then? Fair enough, not much I can say if you dont accept that premise.

Listen, I cant see the future, and FWIW as Ive said in this thread already I think this is probably a good deal for us given it doesnt cost us much. But I am skeptical it will work out as well as people are hoping because this league is a lot more competitive than the French one and 34 is quite old (believe it or not) for a footballer. But who knows, he might do really well for a season or two, its certainly not impossible, or even so unlikely I wouldnt take the risk of paying his probably quite high wages.
 
Raoul said:
If Ibra had knocked in about 20 goals in France, i may think this would be a risky proposition. But the fact that he just had the best year of his entire career, makes this a no brainer, in fact it would be the height of negligence and incompetence if we, in our state of complete dogshitness, didn't at a minimum make an inquiry about signing him.
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Agreed we should get him in, as I said. And then pray. But he has a much better team around him at PSG than he will with us, and he will be up against much better defenders. So Im not expecting him to have a comparable season at all. But yeah, he could score some goals and certainly he will provide a few moments of magic like Berbatov did which will make it worthwhile.
 
Raoul said:
Its laughably irrelevant since Zlatan is an experienced player who has played a career at big clubs like PSG, AC Milan, Juventus, Inter Milan, Barcelona etc, whereas Memphis is a one season teenage wonder in the Dutch league.
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It is just intended to point out that him scoring lots of goals in France (see Falcao the season before he joined us) is no guarantee that he would do so here, especially as he should be expected to decline relatively rapidly as a 34 year old striker.

Especially as he has been playing for a team that is ridiculously far ahead of a league that is otherwise going to the dogs, and also playing for a team that is way more creative than United at the moment.

Obviously he is a class player. But signing him would seem more of a marketing move than a football one. We should be building a team here.
 
sincher said:
It is just intended to point out that him scoring lots of goals in France (see Falcao the season before he joined us) is no guarantee that he would do so here, especially as he should be expected to decline relatively rapidly as a 34 year old striker.

Especially as he has been playing for a team that is ridiculously far ahead of a league that is otherwise going to the dogs, and also playing for a team that is way more creative than United at the moment.

Obviously he is a class player. But signing him would seem more of a marketing move than a football one. We should be building a team here.
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Falcao was coming off a major, career threatening injury when we took him on loan. Ibra is coming off the best year of his career and the fact that he would basically be here on Tevez like one or two years arrangement (except with no transfer fee), makes the reward much higher than the risk, especially as the club could then re-orient that transfer money saved to pursue a big name player like Griezmann, Bale et al.
 
Adebesi said:
You asked about his age and the relevance of that. And now you are laughing about being on the way down. So you dont think 34 year olds are past their prime then? Fair enough, not much I can say if you dont accept that premise.

Listen, I cant see the future, and FWIW as Ive said in this thread already I think this is probably a good deal for us given it doesnt cost us much. But I am skeptical it will work out as well as people are hoping because this league is a lot more competitive than the French one and 34 is quite old (believe it or not) for a footballer. But who knows, he might do really well for a season or two, its certainly not impossible, or even so unlikely I wouldnt take the risk of paying his probably quite high wages.
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Too much sense for this thread, mate.

I will remind the transfer muppets on here about another oldish super star. People were over the moon last summer when we signed him. He didn't contribute much, did he?

If we sign Zlatan, we we'll have 3 of the best paid footballers on the planet and their average age will be 33 +. We're turning into a laughing stock.
 
Treble said:
Too much sense for this thread, mate.

I will remind the transfer muppets on here about another oldish super star. People were over the moon last summer when we signed him. He didn't contribute much, did he?

If we sign Zlatan, we we'll have 3 of the best paid footballers on the planet and their average age will be 33 +. We're turning into a laughing stock.
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I had him in mind too. I didnt mention it because, like Falcao, people will just say that was because of an injury, and that isnt applicable in this instance.
 
Treble said:
Too much sense for this thread, mate.

I will remind the transfer muppets on here about another oldish super star. People were over the moon last summer when we signed him. He didn't contribute much, did he?

If we sign Zlatan, we we'll have 3 of the best paid footballers on the planet and their average age will be 33 +. We're turning into a laughing stock.
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You don't bring too much sense here by comparing signing Falcao and Ibrahimovic.
 
Adebesi said:
I had him in mind too. I didnt mention it because, like Falcao, people will just say that was because of an injury, and that isnt applicable in this instance.
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Zlatan had injury problems the previous season. At 35, in a far more demanding league, I'd expect some injury problems to resurface.
 
Treble said:
Zlatan had injury problems the previous season. At 35, in a far more demanding league, I'd expect some injury problems to resurface.
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Good point.

Plus Schweinsteiger is 3 years younger, which is not insignificant when you get into your 30s. (For those of us that accept there is an aging process that affects human bodies, that is.)
 
Adebesi said:
Im assuming he meant Schweinsteiger, as we didnt sign Falcao last summer.
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It's the same crap argument as Bastian didn't have a great last season and Ibra had his best ever and could easily play on this level for two more years.
 
Treble said:
Zlatan had injury problems the previous season. At 35, in a far more demanding league, I'd expect some injury problems to resurface.
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When precisely did this happen ? He's just put in 50 appearances this year and has averaged 45 appearances a year during his time at PSG.
 
Raoul said:
When precisely did this happen ? He's just put in 50 appearances this year and has averaged 45 appearances a year during his time at PSG.
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He means the only injury he had in 2014/15 when he was out for 6 weeks. "Injury problems" indeed.
 
Man-United said:
It's the same crap argument as Bastian didn't have a great last season and Ibra had his best ever and could easily play on this level for two more years.
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Maybe your arguments are crap? How could you be so confident that Zlatan can play at the same level in a very different league, given that he will be 35 +?

Shevchenko had a very good season at Milan and showed no signs of decline before having two nightmare seasons at Chelsea. And he was only 30. Crap argument :lol:
 
Treble said:
Maybe your arguments are crap? How could you be so confident that Zlatan can play at the same level in a very different league, given that he will be 35 +?

Shevchenko had a very good season at Milan and showed no signs of decline before having two nightmare seasons at Chelsea. And he was only 30. Crap argument :lol:
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You are actually obsessed with age, right? I have no doubt about it. He will win us the league next season if he joins.

Oh, Sheva had a crap spell at Chelsea. Let's not sign any striker over 30 anymore then? And how about Zlatan's injury problems? Admit you have no idea what you talk about.
 
Raoul said:
When precisely did this happen ? He's just put in 50 appearances this year and has averaged 45 appearances a year during his time at PSG.
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He had only 24 league appearances last season, as many as BFS in his last season at Bayern, btw...
 
Treble said:
He had only 24 league appearances last season, as many as BFS in his last season at Bayern, btw...
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24 out of 38 and he was rested in 5 of them and suspended in 3 of them so try again. Nothing to do with injuries apart from the only injury he had in 14/15 that kept him out for 6 games, or as you call is his injury problems.
 
Man-United said:
You are actually obsessed with age, right? I have no doubt about it. He will win us the league next season if he joins.

Oh, Sheva had a crap spell at Chelsea. Let's not sign any striker over 30 anymore then? And how about Zlatan's injury problems? Admit you have no idea what you talk about.
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OK, I think we'll struggle to make top 4 again, if we play with Zlatan as our main man in attack. Let's first sign him and see what happens.
 
Treble said:
He had only 24 league appearances last season, as many as BFS in his last season at Bayern, btw...
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He had a foot injury early in the season, he played through (iirc without telling anyone) and when it came out, he has been forced to go to Doha and rest.
 
Raoul, have you let peterstorey back in yet?

His posts are worth ten times most others.
 
While I'm not all crazy about signing him, I don't mind but I won't get my cock out just for him, some of the names thrown around here 'who are better/who would be better purchase' are fecking mental.
 
Treble said:
OK, I think we'll struggle to make top 4 again, if we play with Zlatan as our main man in attack. Let's first sign him and see what happens.
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Yes. We agree to disagree on Zlatan but hope for the best if he joins us. Will see what happens, but I can only see him come here if Mourinho is the manager.
 
JPRouve said:
He had a foot injury early in the season, he played through (iirc without telling anyone) and when it came out, he has been forced to go to Doha and rest.
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He's surprisingly fit for a player approaching 35, so I woudn't say that he is injury prone. I remain sceptical though. He covers on average 8km per game whereas the average striker in the Prem covers at least 10 km and at a higher pace at that. If he is forced to work harder than usual he won't last long. In many games he will look like a passenger in comparison with Martial and Rashford and even Rooney. Of course, I might be completely wrong and he might have a huge positive effect. I doubt it but only time can tell us. I'll be happy to be wrong about him.
 
Treble said:
He's surprisingly fit for a player approaching 35, so I woudn't say that he is injury prone. I remain sceptical though. He covers on average 8km per game whereas the average striker in the Prem covers at least 10 km and at a higher pace at that. If he is forced to work harder than usual he won't last long. In many games he will look like a passenger in comparison with Martial and Rashford and even Rooney. Of course, I might be completely wrong and he might have a huge positive effect. I doubt it but only time can tell us. I'll be happy to be wrong about him.
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He doesn't need to do more, he only runs 8km because it's his style, Ibrahimovic is all about great positioning, anticipation and perfect runs. He is always where he needs to be and he actually defends.
 
JPRouve said:
He doesn't need to do more, he only runs 8km because it's his style, Ibrahimovic is all about great positioning, anticipation and perfect runs. He is always where he needs to be and he actually defends.
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In my book, only Messi is too good to waste energy on running too much. Even Ronaldo works hard in terms of running a lot with high intensity. And Ibra isn't Ronaldo, you know. Compare only their record in the CL. Ronaldo is about twice as effective as Zlatan.
 
Treble said:
In my book, only Messi is too good to waste energy on running too much. Even Ronaldo works hard in terms of running a lot with high intensity. And Ibra isn't Ronaldo, you know. Compare only their record in the CL. Ronaldo is about twice as effective as Zlatan.
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Ibrahimovic is a far bigger individual, he can't run around like a marathonian. You are talking about a 196cm and 95kgs man, Ibrahimovic is effective by being clinical in his technique and movements, and he does his defensive job.
 
I hope he comes to us purely because he talks about himself in the third person, and is an arrogant cnut that everyone will hate...and we'd love...
 
He just scored tons of goals the past few seasons and yet some idiots on here would only go on and on about "but he's 35, he's past it." Yeah, it doesn't fecking matter what he is doing thus far because if he's 35 that means he's shit.

Oh and because Falcao was a flop we should now refrain from ever signing any world class strikers because they will all end up like him? Ugh. And who the feck cares if he can only score against weaker opponents? If you ever watch a single match this season you would realize that we need someone to put a few past the likes of Norwich, Bournemouth, West Brom, Sunderland, Midgetland etc. because I'm sick of losing to these supposedly weaker teams.

We are only signing him for a season. That means in this one season Rashford can learn a truckload from him and will then be more ready to lead the line. It also makes more fecking sense than trying to sign someone in their peak like Auba so that Rashford can never see proper game time until 5 years later (if he's still here).
 
dasty said:
He just scored tons of goals the past few seasons and yet some idiots on here would only go on and on about "but he's 35, he's past it." Yeah, it doesn't fecking matter what he is doing thus far because if he's 35 that means he's shit.

Oh and because Falcao was a flop we should now refrain from ever signing any world class strikers because they will all end up like him? Ugh. And who the feck cares if he can only score against weaker opponents? If you ever watch a single match this season you would realize that we need someone to put a few past the likes of Norwich, Bournemouth, West Brom, Sunderland, Midgetland etc. because I'm sick of losing to these supposedly weaker teams.

We are only signing him for a season. That means in this one season Rashford can learn a truckload from him and will then be more ready to lead the line. It also makes more fecking sense than trying to sign someone in their peak like Auba so that Rashford can never see proper game time until 5 years later.
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Now now.

Couldn't read on after the first paragraph - hyperbole.
 
Ibra on free is a gift and creates financial space for other powerful signings.

Just do it and don't let others sound like Shia LeBeouf all the time.
 
dasty said:
He just scored tons of goals the past few seasons and yet some idiots on here would only go on and on about "but he's 35, he's past it." Yeah, it doesn't fecking matter what he is doing thus far because if he's 35 that means he's shit.

Oh and because Falcao was a flop we should now refrain from ever signing any world class strikers because they will all end up like him? Ugh. And who the feck cares if he can only score against weaker opponents? If you ever watch a single match this season you would realize that we need someone to put a few past the likes of Norwich, Bournemouth, West Brom, Sunderland, Midgetland etc. because I'm sick of losing to these supposedly weaker teams.

We are only signing him for a season. That means in this one season Rashford can learn a truckload from him and will then be more ready to lead the line. It also makes more fecking sense than trying to sign someone in their peak like Auba so that Rashford can never see proper game time until 5 years later (if he's still here).
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In this case, age is just a number. Let's mark him by his productivity rather than just his age.
 
Van Piorsing said:
Ibra on free is a gift and creates financial space for other powerful signings.

Just do it and don't let others sound like Shia LeBeouf all the time.
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I'm not sure if that will be the case considering the extortionate wage and signing on fee he will receive.

How much we thinking? If he is already on £300k a week. We'll at least match that, most likely raise it. Signing on fee at least £10m?

We're paying about £30m for a year or (£50m) two of his services?
 
Nuts said:
Don't understand the 'Cantona style signing' malarkey.

He's a Larson style signing - adds flair, temporarily. Cantona started a revolution, was the centre point of the team for several years and inspired the whole squad over a long period.

Ibra isn't going to have anywhere near that impact at his age and career stage. I'll be very disappointed if he's anything more than our 3rd choice striker - ie: I hope we make other signings up front alongside him.
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He's really more of a van persie signing. Besides his age,what makes you think he'll won't be your star player? You think the level he currently plays it is not better than anything you have right now?
 
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