You do realise that Nick Cox would hope you kept that under your hat, and not tell everybody on RedCafe
Zidane Iqbal
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You do realise that Nick Cox would hope you kept that under your hat, and not tell everybody on RedCafe
Looks like he has grown a bit too. Will look forward to see him as the main playmaker in the U18s this season.
He does look insane technically at times
Hope he don't see thisYou do realise that Nick Cox would hope you kept that under your hat, and not tell everybody on RedCafe
He’s half ‘south Asian’ whatever that means. One of his parents is from Iraq so let’s stop this odd habit of wanting to claim players based on ethnicity.
We had a Noggie of Pakistani descent a few years back who couldn’t cut it. It’s rare but not that unusual
We had a Noggie of Pakistani descent a few years back who couldn’t cut it. It’s rare but not that unusual
Sorry but this post is just so bizarre to me.
Firstly what is "Noggie" meant to mean? Secondly, what do you mean by "trying to claim players"? Thirdly, how can you talk about ethnicity and not know what South Asian means??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia
Too late mate, I had a pint with him earlier and I dropped you in it big style.
I'm joking, we didn't have a pint, we had a coffee ....
It’s just another generic term that seeks to encompass people while stripping them of their identity. It’s like calling everyone from the Mediterranean region South European, not Greek or Italian or Maltese. There are distinct cultural, ethnic and religious distinctions that people are proud of.Sorry but this post is just so bizarre to me.
Firstly what is "Noggie" meant to mean? Secondly, what do you mean by "trying to claim players"? Thirdly, how can you talk about ethnicity and not know what South Asian means??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia
I’m Indian not South Asian or English. I indentify as British Indian if pushed as I’ve been here pretty much all my life.
Iqbal is half Iraqi and half Pakistani and that is important to him. Fans can be proud to have an Asian representation in the side but Zidane is only partly that. To ignore the Iraqi side of his heritage is pretty crass.
So embrace him as a potentially good future player for us and embrace the fact that there aren’t enough players from certain minority backgrounds in football but don’t be selective
English slang for a Norwegian. I think it's derived from lead character in kids TV show: Noggin the Nog. How can you live in UK and not know this?Sorry but this post is just so bizarre to me.
Firstly what is "Noggie" meant to mean? Secondly, what do you mean by "trying to claim players"? Thirdly, how can you talk about ethnicity and not know what South Asian means??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia
South Asia could mean anywhere from Saudi, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines, ..., and even China. Every country bordering on the Indian Ocean and the South West Pacific. Mostly Islamic countries, but many of highest population countries are not. So - South Asia - doesn't really mean anything. Not in terms of culture, nor ethnicity.
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Huh. Why would English slang be something everyone should know as opposed to an actual phrase used and well defined on a Wikipedia and a phrase probably therefore used by many people across the world?
Okay I understand your point now. Seriously though, I kept re-reading your original post and couldn't quite make out what you were trying to say there!
. Interestingly, or not, I have never thought it stripped me of any of my "identity" but each to their own.Always some boring, irrelevant discussion in the youth forum. Stick to topic FFS.
I think Iqbal is going to be one of the first names on the team sheet next season. Barely played last season, but this is his season.
I think Iqbal is going to be one of the first names on the team sheet next season. Barely played last season, but this is his season.
I hope he does justice to his first name. Looks very skillful player.
In the u18s or U23s?
What evidence is there that he'll be one of first names? He looks good but he also looks like he's got a hell of a lot to learn
In the U18, he's not going to play (much) in our U23. Well, for starters that he scored 1 and assisted 3 in their first pre-season game. He has set the standard. Also that he's very skillful, made a couple of appearances last season and looked good so I think he is going to shine this coming season. Many of the U18 players who played last season is going to play for the U23 so.
The bolded aren't south asian at all.
They are all in Asia, on the South coast.
How are Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh 'South Asia' but Burma not? All 5 are ex- British Empire and Burma borders the Bay of Bengal just like India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. It's a very arbitrary classification. Wikipedia classes South Asian as countries in SAARC. OP should've referred to SAARC Countries (South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation).
Iqbal was born in Manchester to a father from Pakistan and a mother from Iraq. According to you: Iraq is not South Asia. One could better say his origins are Islamic Asian.
PS: Nit-picking is tedious. Done. I'll even admit my error. I should've googled 'South Asia'.
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Why did this offend you so much? There are many players of African descent who play for the countries their parents and/or grandparents were born in. Why is it an issue if it’s Pakistan? Is it not a valid question somehow? Or do we just assume anyone born in a certain country should automatically play for that country? The lad has options so it’s a valid question for me...
I hear you mate. Being South asian descent myself, its commonly referred to as being from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh region. Although all the ones you mentioned reside in asia, the likes of China, Phillipines etc. are normally referred to as Far East Asia.
It did not offend me. I found it strange, nobody would have asked this from a young Sancho, Sterling or Zaha (who in fact later changed his playing country)
Except Sterling was asked. His response as a 16 year old being, "If Jamaica call me, why not?"
They also asked a young Angel Gomes. They've also asked every young Irish-English player under the sun. They also asked a young Adnan Januzaj. They've even also asked my mate Keven Aleman when we were young. They also asked Ballou Tabla. I could go on and on.
So what is your point?
Can we call him Zizou?
Underrepresented ethnicity getting a shout out. How dare they?
Asia is a pretty big continent, i wouldn't sweat it.
Can we stop obsessing over race/ethnicity please.
I've heard it's the biggest but that could be fake newsAsia is a pretty big continent, i wouldn't sweat it.
It was an interesting debate, no one was obsessing.
My point is simple that... clearly with number of South Asians in UK, they are very under represented, and it is mainly associated with their lack of physial attributes like strength, speed and stamina. They are not considered good enough and weak for football. When both India and Pakistan have dominated field hockey which is just as physical as football and over the years their main rivals apart from each other have been Germany, Netherlands and Australia.
I do hope you're joking mate
Highly doubt he’ll play for Pakistan over England if he gets so a high level.
This isn’t true at all. You don’t even need to look at football to know this. There are enough South Asians in our society. Do they all look too weak or whatever to play football to you?
I think (or rather hope) what he was trying to say was this:
"Unfortunately athletes from India and Pakistan don't make it in football because there is an (incorrect) belief that they lack certain physical attributes, despite the fact that they have been successful in other physically demanding sports such as hockey [and cricket etc]."
If he wanted to elaborate further, he could also lead the debate about the diet of people around the world and how that contributes to physical development, which I do think is a discussion worth having, albeit not here.
Indeed. The conversation came up just the other day about Bukayo Saka too.
I thought this was a thread about some new, high football iq playstyle Zidane implemented at Madrid..
Clever
This is exactly what I am trying to say
I think i couldn't make myself clear... I meant, it seems that coaches here believe south asians are too weak to play football or something because they are clearly very underrepresented in this particular sport in UK.
Your point isn’t simple. How does that relate to your claim that only South Asians are asked about representing their parents/other nations? A claim that is complete and utter bollocks might I add. So why was Sterling asked about playing for Jamaica? Is it because he is secretly south Asian? That’s the simple point right?
They have one bronze medal at the olympics between them in 32 years for the men and not a single women’s medal. And the last time they made the top 4 of the men’s World Cup was 26 years ago. Aye, clear domination from the pair of them. Or what happened, did 30 years ago everyone start perceiving them as not good enough and that’s what’s made them win nothing in 30 years? Or perhaps it’s because they just aren’t that good.
Has been asked of many young British players. Just as you’re not aware of that doesn’t make it unusual, nor strange. GB teams have fought over players for many many years, Giggs was highly debated back in the day with his Wales,/ England links. .
So cool to see (at last) the talent pool of Indian and Middle Eastern descent kids being repped.
Just think how many British Indian lads there must be out there who never reached their level due to social barriers (whether barriers from their own culture, or within footy itself).
I'm neither Indian or Middle Eastern but it's just something I've thought about so many times growing up in England.