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Film Zack Snyder's REBEL MOON
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Snyder - and the likes - is not putting style over substance. It's mostly brainless action and excessive visuals over substance.
Prettybsure the heist film was no1 on netflix forna lil while. Regardless of the quality of the script he has still got a bit of name recognition and on Netflix especially viewers will show up.
What can I say, people like sh*te.
Seems like mash up of various sci fi movies.
I heard an interview with Samantha Morton recently (yes, she was in it!) where she said it was basically strangled at birth because it’s release coincided with Disney buying Star Wars. So they didn’t bother trying to market it properly. My memory of it was that it was perfectly fine. Not amazing but definitely not terrible.
This really doesn't mean anything.
Aaaah it was the Star Wars purchase! Yeah that rings a bell.
Stopped watching half way through, Snyder really is style over substance.
Snyder always seems like he makes movies and scenes so that it would look good in the trailer. But then when you watch the movie, it doesnt make sense.
Meh
That's fine but then don't write scripts that require 4 hour run time. Even if his directors cuts are marginally better there is still lots of bloat and fat that can be cut. A movie won't be butchered as bad when it's a 3 hour movie cut to 2.5 as opposed to 4 hours to 2.5. Its his own fault. The masses won't watch a 4 hour movie and his base isn't big enough to support his movies alone
For Watchmen, even though the director's cut improves upon the theatrical release, it still completely misses the point of Alan Moore's graphic novel. It's amazing how work that is almost copycat in its form completely misses the tone and message of the graphic novel.
If you enjoyed though, I would definitely recommend the HBO Watchmen show which is much closer to Moore's vision (and is pretty excellent, I feel I'm due a rewatch).
First half of the trailer, it looks good with stunning visuals and it’s got gravitas because Anthony Hopkins is doing the voice over. This could be epic.
Half way through “A Zack Synder Film”……..Ahhhh sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
Rest of the trailer; can’t help but notice all the tell tale Synderisms, slow mo shouting, slo mo flag planting, slo mo staring into the distance looking heroic, slow mo action hero landing. Slo mo of a slo mo. Hugely derivative story.
Final analysis: I’m a sucker for Sci-fi, and it’s free on Netflix, so I’ll probably watch it, mainly so I can come on here and talk about how shit it is.
Half way through “A Zack Synder Film”……..Ahhhh sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
Rest of the trailer; can’t help but notice all the tell tale Synderisms, slow mo shouting, slo mo flag planting, slo mo staring into the distance looking heroic, slow mo action hero landing. Slo mo of a slo mo. Hugely derivative story.
Final analysis: I’m a sucker for Sci-fi, and it’s free on Netflix, so I’ll probably watch it, mainly so I can come on here and talk about how shit it is.
I was so annoyed by what they did with Dr. Manhattan, that I’ve still only watched 9 of the 10 episodes. I’ll never watch the finale.
3mins 40 is far too long for a trailer.
Its Snyder so it'll be all gloss and feck all substance.
Its Snyder so it'll be all gloss and feck all substance.
I’m with you on everything.
Looks like a load of utter garbage
But then good Sci Fi to me is stuff like Alien, Videodrome, 2001 Space Odyssey, Philip K Dick books, the first Matrix and Terminator so I’m probably not the target audience for stuff like this.
Yeah, I get why people feel that way. I was comfortable to just view him as a different character, and in that respect I thought he had a good story arc.
I've always wondered what Dune would look like if it was shot in slow motion.
Hopkins' voice was the best part about the trailer.
Looks absolutely awful. Been looking forward to Three Body Problem on Netflix and this trailer is so bad it makes me worried.
Thankfully it's not a Snyder production.
It's Benioff and Weiss...
In fairness I do think Dumb and Dumber are/were more than decent at adapting a story - it's when they passed GRRM's outline that things went truly off the rails.
(That said I fully acknowledge that I am fully huffing all the copium I can; it'll be devastating for me personally if these dipshits ruin another one of my favourite book series...)
It's my most beloved series after Tolkien. I feel like it's an even harder story to adapt successfully than A Song of Fire and Ice, despite it being finished... But my expectations are much lower!
Just noticed your location - full marks! I have the script of the One Ring in Tengwar tattooed on my ribs - so safe to say we are on the same page.
Don't disagree with you about the degree of difficulty for an adaptation being higher for TBP versus ASOIAF, but I do think that adapting something even if it is very difficult is a different skillset from adding to and building a cohesive narrative on top of a world that's already been established (and for me that's where GoT utterly failed). Again though - I'm probably deluding myself into taking an optimistic view in spite of all evidence to the contrary (I have gotten quite a bit of practice at this given the football club I support).
Look, I read the John Carter novels. All of them. I desperately wanted JCoM to be good so they could continue into the other books. This movie is so bad it's painful. Terribly miscast. Laughable VFX. Incoherent rendering of the story. Cringeworthy dialogue. Wooden acting Bad, bad, bad, BAD.
I would put it about on par with the movie version of Wild Wild West, in terms of the makers absolutely not "getting" what the project was supposed to be. The John Carter books are basically swashbuckling adventure stories with airships, sword fights, and naked women everywhere. Sort of like Conan the Barbarian in space. Picture a Frank Frazetta style artwork turned into a movie.
The plots, such as they are, are full of daring rescues, heroic battles, and cliffhangers. Mostly it's rescuing a damsel in distress, what you would expect of a story written in 1912. So they aren't Shakespearean. It should not have been that difficult to distill the spirit of JCoM into a movie, but apparently it defied all attempts to do so. The director had only done animation, and it showed. He had absolutely zero ability with live actors.
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Unh? He was one of the best parts of the show.
What specifically looks awful? I think it looks pretty decent/good visually, not pushing the boundaries I know but visually I think it looks good. Snyder is always a ride, 300, Watchmen, BvS, all were entertaining for what they are, even Sucker Punch which at the time I found disappointing I saw again and kind of liked it. Nothing ground breaking but usually you get what it says on the tin with a Snyder film. The only one for me that was an all out drag was Justice League which for me was genuinely boring.
It looks like every single overused sci-fi trope has been smashed together. Every line is totally rote and is all the same old crap - the princess is going to save the world, the space Nazis don't understand that love isn't a weakness it's a strength, we're out for justice but not revenge against the evil emipre, you can't kill a legend, blah blah blah.
Also, was anyone even the slightest bit intrigued by an egregious slow mo shot of a guy jumping onto a CGI hippogriff? Even the action looked terrible in my opinion.
Thats fair. I personally don't see Snyder's name and expect Cameron or Nolan. He has his lane, in general his films are fun switch off your brain and enjoy them for what they are types. Which normally he tends to produce, with for me Justice League and to an extent Sucker Punch being disappointing exceptions.
Loved both 300 & Watchmen, he's capable of making a good movie sometimes. Couldn't care less about whatever comics they were based on.
Flashy effects and tropes aside, its the writing and delivery that matters.
Flashy effects and tropes aside, its the writing and delivery that matters.
Yeah of course - but I'd hope for something that resembles substance. I'm a Watchmen comic die-hard so couldn't really enjoy the adaptation beyond the opening credits (and, in fairness, the Rorschach jail scenes) because Snyder seemed to completely misunderstand one of the main themes of the book (i.e. superheroes have fascistic tendencies that are driven in large part by their portrayal). The final change from
the alien squid to Dr. Manhattan is also fecking stupid - a fundamental crux of Dr. Manhattan's character is that he's American (e.g. the headlines that "Superman is real, and he's American!"), so imagining a scenario where Moscow accepts that Manhattan destroyed many of their cities is utter horseshit
On topic, I just have no faith that he'll be able to tell a compelling story.
Zack Snyder is Uwe Boll with a bigger VFX budget.
I made it half way through. Might go back and finish it off but it's not been great.
One of these films where every single thing in it or about it feels like it's been borrowed or copied from another film. Not an ounce of originality there, every scene feels weirdly forced or involves illogical behaviour from multiple different characters, and there's just nothing that interesting about any of the characters either. The main general bad guy is the only one with any kind of thing about him and even he's generic villain material.
Even the nice visuals have been in short supply so far.
Disappoint
One of these films where every single thing in it or about it feels like it's been borrowed or copied from another film. Not an ounce of originality there, every scene feels weirdly forced or involves illogical behaviour from multiple different characters, and there's just nothing that interesting about any of the characters either. The main general bad guy is the only one with any kind of thing about him and even he's generic villain material.
Even the nice visuals have been in short supply so far.
Disappoint
Spent the entire film spotting film references just to relieve the boredom, pretty shite.
Do not recommend unfortunately.
Sounds like this one is dying with a whimper. Snyder desperately needs somebody to corale his creations into a consumable end product.
It is just boredem. Tiresome predictable story and plot pieces. This can still work to drag out a decent sci fi flick, if the characters are engaging or the visuals/action sequences are good. Unfortunately that is not the case. I couldn't even tell you the name of a single character.
Sci fi/space epic means it only has to be bang average for me to enjoy it as well. So its not like I've set the bar high.
I watched the whole thing, entirely forgettable sci-fi, as you say the characters completely meh, spot the slow mo in every fight scene, a homage to every film you've ever seen, blah blah blah.
I got bored even writing this tbh.
All the way through I couldn't help but think of the following film (not sure if this would be a spoiler) but with a rushed ending though I appreciate it's a part one.
Magnificent Seven
I ripped you off. That’s what I get for not reading the full thread before posting.