Young talented German players

Those three have already been linked to Bayern, but only goretzka seems pretty much bound. Werner would be an awesome addition to both Man Utd and Bayern, but I hope we see all of those three youngsters stay in Germany.

He just told to Sky that as a kid he was a United fan as you always were winning... :D
 
I love Goretzka but where would he play? Why'd we spent tons of money on Tolisso then? I'm not so sure about the rumours that he's certain to sign for us.
 
I think getting Werner is a must. The guy can play in a front three. He's quick and aggressive and he's a United fan as well. He's only 21 as well and will only get better. Even though Goretzka would be a fine addition as well but I think Savic from Lazio would be a better addition to play in a midfield 2 with Pogba.

Werner (I don't think we can depend on Rashford or Martial to lead the line if Lukaku goes injured. PS: Zlatan is just a stop gap for the remainder of this season)
Savic (Long term Replacement for Matic)
Ozil (playmaker he need at the moment who can breakdown teams when they sit back and defend)
Van Dijk or even give Tuanzebe a chance (Lindelof has been really poor and we need someone who can come and do the job with Bailly)
 
You think Werner would move to United to act as cover for Lukaku?
 
Not sure why we would weaken ourselves by moving Vidal on. He's not in form now, but once he is he can be absolutely fantastic.

He will be 31 next summer, not retirement age exactly, but with someone who relies on his athleticism as much as he does the end slowly but surely moves into sight. Selling him a year or two early and getting in Goretzka on a free could be some smart business in the long run - depending on the offers for Arturo of course. Plus Hoeneß likes his German guys.
 
He will be 31 next summer, not retirement age exactly, but with someone who relies on his athleticism as much as he does the end slowly but surely moves into sight. Selling him a year or two early and getting in Goretzka on a free could be some smart business in the long run - depending on the offers for Arturo of course. Plus Hoeneß likes his German guys.

That's all possible. Key factor of course will also be who's the new coach.
 
ah, okay, didn't know that. Still highly doubt that he'll join Man Utd. Getting him to Bayern seems like almost a natural process.

He is getting too expensive for Bayern. And I do not really think that is his plan. It would be different if he would have a clause - but there is nothing known of it.
 
You think Werner would move to United to act as cover for Lukaku?

He doesn't necessarily need to be just cover. If we switched to a 3-5-2 or have him play in 4-2-3-1 where he features on the RW or No.10 spot, that could work.
 
That's all possible. Key factor of course will also be who's the new coach.

Irrespective of the next coach, this should be one of our priority transactions. Goretzka for zilch, that's the very definition of a no-brainer.
Also, shipping off Arturo to Inter, or any other interested party sounds like a decent plan. Even fully fit, his past performances were not exactly convincing. I think he took a few sips too many recently, cannot explain his growing tendencies to perfectly mimic a headless chicken otherwise.
 
I Like Goretzka and Draxler is another.

Ah, Draxler... IIRC he says he's happy in Paris but i wonder is he really? It's sad to see him in the bench. Emery is trying his best but i think Draxler will make a move soon.

He just told to Sky that as a kid he was a United fan as you always were winning... :D


The plot thickens :smirk:
 
ah, okay, I thought you were, since you quoted me and I was talking about Goretzka.
I kind of have to admit that you could be right, though, which is sad. Werner to Bayern would be awesome. Although I don't like him, I rate him highly.

I am not into Goretzka - I do not know why, but I do not like him. And he is a similar player to Tolisso who already is at Bayern. I think if Bayern needs a midfielder it would be more a rotation player for Thiago - there is nobody similar in the squad.
 
Has anyone seen much of Benjamin Henrichs, LB at Leverkusen? I think I've read somewhere that he's highly rated.

 
We definitely need to have a proper look at some of these players, especially Leverkusen have some good talents. Goretzka, Werner, Brandt, Weigl, Henrichs, Havertz, Tah, Draxler on a cut price deal would all be good additions.
 
Didn't ze' German's abandon their old football policy regarding youth around 2001?

We are now seeing the fruits of this.
 
Apparently
Attacking midfield... 39 games
Right back... 32 games
Left midfield... 16 games
Left back.. . 15 games
Right midfield... 9 games
Central midfield... 7 games
Defensive midfield... 2 games
Centre back.. . 2 games

https://www.transfermarkt.com/benjamin-henrichs/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/202591

Let's just say he is versatile
Sure. But in his professional games for Leverkusen's first team he has mostly played as a right back. Hence, he's a now right back.
 
Interested in seeing what becomes of Jann-Fiete Arp. Haven't seen a ton of him compared with Caf's resident Bundesliga experts and Hamburg supporters, but based on some U-17 matches and highlights, he comes across as the prototype for a #9 with clever movement, fundamentals in terms technique, and a degree of cold-bloodedness - apparently he models his game on Kane:
Arp's role model is Tottenham Hotspur's Harry Kane. "He plays the way I want to play. He's pacy and very comfortable with and without the ball. It's difficult to stop him. You need to pay attention for 90 minutes because he can score at any time."
Link

His overall record for the U-17s is consistently good, too: output of a goal per game including 7 in 5 games in the 2017 U-17 EURO (second after Gouiri), and 5 in 5 games in the U-17 World Cup (tied third with Gouiri). Dunno how highly he's rated relative to Werner, but Germany might have two good long term players at the striker position(s)...
 
He doesn't necessarily need to be just cover. If we switched to a 3-5-2 or have him play in 4-2-3-1 where he features on the RW or No.10 spot, that could work.

If we're not going to pass the ball on the ground anyways then Werner at RW in the same sort of role Etoo and Pandev played for Mourinho at Inter makes some sense. He can certainly finish.
 
Tah has a 25m Euros release clause next summer apparently. Would be almost a steal at that price
 
Interested in seeing what becomes of Jann-Fiete Arp. Haven't seen a ton of him compared with Caf's resident Bundesliga experts and Hamburg supporters, but based on some U-17 matches and highlights, he comes across as the prototype for a #9 with clever movement, fundamentals in terms technique, and a degree of cold-bloodedness - apparently he models his game on Kane:

Link

His overall record for the U-17s is consistently good, too: output of a goal per game including 7 in 5 games in the 2017 U-17 EURO (second after Gouiri), and 5 in 5 games in the U-17 World Cup (tied third with Gouiri). Dunno how highly he's rated relative to Werner, but Germany might have two good long term players at the striker position(s)...


I liked watching him at the World Cup. One to keep an eye on.
 
Brandt has a 12m euros clause for this summer I think... Gonna be tough for leverkusen to replace them both for around 37m

Had a look, it is higher than 12m, around 20m apparently. Hope the club has an eye on them, there is massive value in the market, both worth double that without the clause
 
You can get Goretzka, Brandt and Tah for 40m pounds alltogether this summer theoretically, if not much changes til the summer. A lot depends if their clubs reach the CL i guess, but half of Europe will be after them
 
I liked watching him at the World Cup. One to keep an eye on.
Yep, definitely - especially when his current contract at Hamburg expires in 2019 so he could sign for a reasonable fee on even on a Bosman:



In all likelihood he'll renew with Hamburg waaay before that or maybe sign with a bigger Bundesliga club (Lewandowski will be 31 in 2019 :nervous:), but still, someone United should keep an eye on. Made his first start for Hamburg in the Bundesliga today, and scored his second goal (after scoring last week as a sub). So far, so good:
 
Yep, definitely - especially when his current contract at Hamburg expires in 2019 so he could sign for a reasonable fee on even on a Bosman:

In all likelihood he'll renew with Hamburg waaay before that or maybe sign with a bigger Bundesliga club (Lewandowski will be 31 in 2019 :nervous:), but still, someone United should keep an eye on. Made his first start for Hamburg in the Bundesliga today, and scored his second goal (after scoring last week as a sub). So far, so good:

His current contract doesn't run longer due to him being underage. Pretty sure he'll sign for an extension with proper salary next year, when he's 18. And yes, I'm also sure that certain bigger BuLi club will keep a close eye on him.
 
In an interview with Oliver Bierhoff in the Guardian he mentions 'because of the amount of money you have with TV rights, young talented players like Leroy Sane and Leon Goretzka are moving to England..'
 
Tim Werner is a must. We don't have strikers other than Lukaku who score goals on a regular basis. Rashford is not an out and out goal scorer. Zlatan is a stop gap till the summer. And right now Lukaku seems to be having a dry patch and we're struggling to score. We need someone who can alternate with Lukaku from time to time and Tim Werner is that person. Woodward needs to take notice before he goes to the other big guns of Europe (especially with a world cup year)
 
Tim Werner is a must. We don't have strikers other than Lukaku who score goals on a regular basis. Rashford is not an out and out goal scorer. Zlatan is a stop gap till the summer. And right now Lukaku seems to be having a dry patch and we're struggling to score. We need someone who can alternate with Lukaku from time to time and Tim Werner is that person. Woodward needs to take notice before he goes to the other big guns of Europe (especially with a world cup year)
I don't think such a scenario would be attractive to Werner. He has already reached a status where he doesn't need to be a backup or mere alternative to a 75m striker. All of Real's/Barca's/Bayern's CFs will be 30+ next season, that might make a difference. But Lukaku is only three years older than TW, and supposed to be United's first choice for many years.
 
I don't think such a scenario would be attractive to Werner. He has already reached a status where he doesn't need to be a backup or mere alternative to a 75m striker. All of Real's/Barca's/Bayern's CFs will be 30+ next season, that might make a difference. But Lukaku is only three years older than TW, and supposed to be United's first choice for many years.

Man City have Jesus & Aguero and could possibly add Sanchez

If we need to compete with the likes of City, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern and PSG, we need to have more than capable backups. Rashford and Martial are just not clinical in front of goal. Having another capable striker helps makes things competitive and Lukaku and Werner would push each other to perform better. The other thing is that if Mourinho intends on moving to a 3-5-2, we could have Werner and Lukaku play with each other. We could also adopt Pep's philosophy of rotating the strikers in every game and having them come off the bench. I mean we are already doing that with Rashford and Martial. Right now with Lukaku not firing against the big 6, we tend to park the bus and hope to nick a goal which is such a bad decision and tactic.
 
Martial is just not clinical in front of goal.
I disagree here; Martial is our best finisher. Obviously, his finishing with his left is not as good as his finishing with his right, but then again, does Lukaku's finishing with his right foot ever seem comfortable. If anything, our biggest problem has been not engineering enough genuinely good attacking opportunities for Martial; I think he might just be statistically-speaking the most efficient shooter in the PL this season.