And selling Kroos makes even less sense now since they basically swapped Kroos for Alonso.
Xabi Alonso | Bayern Munich player
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Our board wasnt behind him. And Gaudino could become a great one. Anyway; you do your team no harm when you get a 32 year old top pro for 2 years who can teach the young guys quite a bit.
Oh my mistake then. I don't want to get into the ethics of paying tax etc. Tbf though, Bayern are perfectly entitled to do what they want to do with their profits and spending profits that a clubs generates, on the club itself is a far better scheme/plan than what some unscrupulous individuals do though.
Scholesy is disappointed.
Big mistake that they have given Götze so much money
Come on guys. Could we quit the Götze bashing till he has a bad season. Really...
Think those Dortmund poster like this Sphaero did create some bad opinions about him here. He is a great pro, had a good first year and we pay the guy who can become the next Messi what he deserves.
Im with you on Kroos; didnt like the transfer but if they trust Thiago, see Gaudino and play with Götze Im fine with it all.
Lose Kroos to get Xabi Alonso? Ermm...
It's nothing against Götze as player (also he's over-rated imo but that isn't my point). He has done nothing all to deserve this salary and Bayern Munich thought Kroos don't deserve the same money like Götze.
I like Thiago but he seems very injury-prone
Gaudino had ONE!!!! game......calm down
He'll be back in the 4th division after the international break.@Balu
Of course, but I was also trying to get the lame tax jokes out of the way before they even start.
Of course, but I was also trying to get the lame tax jokes out of the way before they even start.
Bayern Munich wanted money for Kroos after Kroos rejected a new deal.
That would already be an upgrade to last year, I think. He's only played in youth leagues so far.
Yes of course....maybe he's a great talent
But people in Germany are overrating him like it happens always to the english players after 2-3 amazing games
Even Hojbjerg should above him in the pecking order
But the signing of Xabi Alonso means Gaudino goes back to Bayern Munich II and Hojbjerg should go on loan imo
It's nothing against Götze as player (also he's over-rated imo but that isn't my point). He has done nothing all to deserve this salary and Bayern Munich thought Kroos don't deserve the same money like Götze.
I like Thiago but he seems very injury-prone
Gaudino had ONE!!!! game......calm down
You have to pay great young players big money to get them. We trust Götze and Im fine with that.
Thiago has our medical people, they will handle it.
Im mentioned Gaudino as someone who COULD become a bigger player for us. Thought that was clear.
And like I said; Xabi would be a great teacher for Gaudino. We have many games and he really impressed. I can see him on the bench for the next months. Schweini out too.
We've seen that last October and in AprilYou have to pay great young players big money to get them. We trust Götze and Im fine with that.
Thiago has our medical people, they will handle it.
Im mentioned Gaudino as someone who COULD become a bigger player for us. Thought that was clear.
People just do not understand. Kroos did not have the personality that the club trusted Kroos to build him into the spine for the future. He was a good player - but he did not have the attachment to it like most of the others. He is not the emotional guy.
So they did not really get too ambitious in trying to hold him. I guess Guardiola first wanted it because of his playing style - but something - like his behaviour in January must have stopped that.
A guy like Neuer - or Robben - or Ribery - so the first one is still a big Schalke fan and will ever be (but he is one of the emotional guys) - seem to be a lot more connected with the club and the team.
Gaudino will not go back to Bayern II - he is not even part of the Bayern II team but for the following season like Lukas Scholl of the U19. They will stay with the first team - or play youth team. The problems they have is their body - not their abilities. For them it is best to compete on youth level with guys their built - or - especially exercise with the big guys. Höjbjerg and Can were different. They already had the body with 17/18.
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The main reason for Alonso - who wants to were pink kits...
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We've seen that last October and in April
To be fair: Pep and Thiago himself wanted to treat his injuries in Spain. Our medical stuff critizied those people and was right in the end.
Thiago will be in good hands now.
+ he wasn't 100% ready in April for the Hoffenheim match in the eyes of Müller-WolfarthTo be fair: Pep and Thiago himself wanted to treat his injuries in Spain. Our medical stuff critizied those people and was right in the end.
Thiago will be in good hands now.
But i know you can say nothing bad about your club
+ he wasn't 100% ready in April for the Hoffenheim match in the eyes of Müller-Wolfarth
But i know you can say nothing bad about your club
Thats what I said; he wasnt ready, Dr Wohlfahrt called it and Thiago(and Pep?) ignored that. They(he) have(has) learned now.
And please; dont say lies about me. Thank you.
October: Guardiola and Thiago thougt he should go to Spain for treatment -> Müller-Wohlfarth was totally against it
April: Thiago has played against Hoffenheim -> Müller-Wolfarth thought he wasn't ready
Maybe they have learned now after his second injury at the club
Interesting transfer. Makes sense but I would have never guessed it. Don't know if Alonso has faded too much already but it's cheap and they need the patch.
I guess Arbeloa will be next and most of Mourinho's men will be gone (López, Alonso, Di María). The madridistas I know interpret this movements out as a victory for Casillas against his dressing room enemies. It also leaves Madrid with a more fragile midfield. Illarramendi seems not ready yet.
I guess Arbeloa will be next and most of Mourinho's men will be gone (López, Alonso, Di María). The madridistas I know interpret this movements out as a victory for Casillas against his dressing room enemies. It also leaves Madrid with a more fragile midfield. Illarramendi seems not ready yet.
Oh man, Casillas' face
Don't think that's really true. The board would have been happy to keep him and let him leave on a free, in my opinion Guardiola made that decision because he didn't want to keep an unhappy player in the team.
I've no idea why you brought Götze into this discussion either. We had no problems extending the contracts with all our other young players. It never looked like Kroos felt really at home at Bayern and wanted to stay here for most of his career and the moment Real showed interest, it became pretty much impossible to keep him, even if we matched his wage offers.
@jojojo you're probably the one most likely to know something like that . Is Real looking for another midfielder now? I struggle to believe that they will go into the season with Kroos, Modric, Khedira and Illaramendi as their only CM options? I read somehwere that they're interested in Verrati? Maybe Vidal is now on the table again? They should have more than enough money to spend after the di Maria deal?
. Is Real looking for another midfielder now? I struggle to believe that they will go into the season with Kroos, Modric, Khedira and Illaramendi as their only CM options? I read somehwere that they're interested in Verrati? Maybe Vidal is now on the table again? They should have more than enough money to spend after the di Maria deal?Alonso and Benatia.... game over just hand them the trophies now.
----------------Neuer---------------
Lahm----Benatia--Badstuber---Alaba
-------Schweinstiger---Alonso-------
Robben-------Muller-----------Ribery
-------------Lewendowski------------
Reina, Boatang, Rafinha, Martinez, Thiago, Gotze, Shaqiri
Starke, Dante, Bernat, Rodem, Gaudino, Hojberg, Pizaro
To be honest I dont get people saying they should have kept kroos and not got alonso - kroos wanted to go and alonso fits very well into the team and guardiolas ethos - especially with the injuries they have in central midfield... kroos has always looked best to me played with a little more freedom - not something he is forced to get in a two man madrid midfield with modric.
I am putting a bet on them for the cl right now - 4/1 which is pretty good.
I can see Alonso playing in the "Busquets" type role (previousley the Guardiola role) at Barca... Alsono is the perfect player for this and in pep he has the perfect coach plus it will free up schweinstiger (or thiago) to be a bit more box to box
----------------Neuer---------------
Lahm----Benatia--Badstuber---Alaba
-------Schweinstiger---Alonso-------
Robben-------Muller-----------Ribery
-------------Lewendowski------------
Reina, Boatang, Rafinha, Martinez, Thiago, Gotze, Shaqiri
Starke, Dante, Bernat, Rodem, Gaudino, Hojberg, Pizaro
To be honest I dont get people saying they should have kept kroos and not got alonso - kroos wanted to go and alonso fits very well into the team and guardiolas ethos - especially with the injuries they have in central midfield... kroos has always looked best to me played with a little more freedom - not something he is forced to get in a two man madrid midfield with modric.
I am putting a bet on them for the cl right now - 4/1 which is pretty good.
I can see Alonso playing in the "Busquets" type role (previousley the Guardiola role) at Barca... Alsono is the perfect player for this and in pep he has the perfect coach plus it will free up schweinstiger (or thiago) to be a bit more box to box
How about Højbjerg, do you rate him?
@jojojo you're probably the one most likely to know something like that
I would guess they have to buy. Without Alonso, the first team squad contains 19 outfield players. Alonso, Di Maria and Casemiro have all left. Admittedly they can use U21s but that's still a small squad for the number of games. I think the jury's still out on whether Isco or James can be a real third midfielder for them.
Ancelotti would like Verrati, but for PSG to sell him now having kept him out of the Di Maria negotiations would seem weird. Unless the Pogba move is suddenly back on the agenda, in which case Madrid probably want him as well.
If it's true we're hesitating on Vidal because of the knee injury, I suspect Madrid will feel the same. I actually wouldn't be that surprised to see them bid for someone like Carvalho to sit behind Kroos and Modric. Or even Moutinho - though if they go for Falcao that's an awfully big selling summer for Monaco.
Baffling though really. Ancelotti had managed to pull a rabbit out of the hat and build a balanced team. Now he's got to start again.
Yes. I do. Played great versus Dortmund in the cup final last season. But we will see how good he can find a place in such a team with 19 years already.
His ball handling could be not good enough for Pep and his system.
I'd be very surprised if it's Schweini and Alonso together very often. Only one of them will usually start in my opinion. I think the main reason, why Pep wanted Alonso is to make sure there's always one experienced CM available. We started the first league game with Alaba, Gaudino and Götze in midfield and as talented as that midfield is, it's just not enough for the big games in the CL knockout rounds. It's also why I don't see Alonso as a replacement for Kroos at all. I feel much more comfortable if one of Schweinsteiger or Alonso partners Thiago, Alaba, Gaudino, Hojbjerg or whoever of our young talented midfielders starts than if Kroos does.
Expected to have a Medical.
Yep, looks done and dusted. Will they go for Vidal?
I don't get the opinions on Kroos here. Why the lovefest?
I had an excellent post about him in about march at the newbies. Would love to post it again, but well.
At about march, 80% of Bayerns fans were ok with him leaving. Then, something changed. And no, it wasn't his playing style. I think the redcafe is partly to blame, because it was a variation of the old game "the grass is greener on the other side of the fence". Nobody cared before english fans fell into an unjustified hype after the games against Arsenal and Manchester. It's like we had a semi-hot girlfriend which we only started to care about when some good looking but desperate drunk guy (yes, that's Manchester) started to flirt with her. Still doesn't make her sexy, but you may be tricked into thinking so.
Kroos is a very specific answer to a very specific question, he's a great passing machine, but that's about it. His defensive contribution is abysmal, his offensive contribution is overrated of you take a look at the stats. He wanted to leave because Bayern wasn't really his club, and though it doesn't give the best impression to "swap" Kroos for Alonso it probably wasn't the wrong decision, because it wasn't really a swap after all. Kroos just wasn't worth paying him 12 Million € in March and probably isn't now.
I had an excellent post about him in about march at the newbies. Would love to post it again, but well.
At about march, 80% of Bayerns fans were ok with him leaving. Then, something changed. And no, it wasn't his playing style. I think the redcafe is partly to blame, because it was a variation of the old game "the grass is greener on the other side of the fence". Nobody cared before english fans fell into an unjustified hype after the games against Arsenal and Manchester. It's like we had a semi-hot girlfriend which we only started to care about when some good looking but desperate drunk guy (yes, that's Manchester) started to flirt with her. Still doesn't make her sexy, but you may be tricked into thinking so.
Kroos is a very specific answer to a very specific question, he's a great passing machine, but that's about it. His defensive contribution is abysmal, his offensive contribution is overrated of you take a look at the stats. He wanted to leave because Bayern wasn't really his club, and though it doesn't give the best impression to "swap" Kroos for Alonso it probably wasn't the wrong decision, because it wasn't really a swap after all. Kroos just wasn't worth paying him 12 Million € in March and probably isn't now.
Vidal + Modric + Khedira + Illaramendi + Kroos might be a overkill though and tough to balance with Rodriguez in front but it's Madrid since when do they care. Won't be surprised if they go for Vidal or Pogba.
He's completely bossed his first few games for Real. He's a fantastic playmaker. Yes, you need a system based around it but you could say that about any deep-lying playmaker.
Btw, from the Bayern front they have overloaded the overloaded midfield area even more with 10 million euro fee on Alonso.
But Pep does seem to be going more conventional now. Will be interesting where he fits.
But Pep does seem to be going more conventional now. Will be interesting where he fits.
He didn't really. I don't agree with his opinion on Kroos either but he's only played well in 1 or 2 of his 4 competitive games so far.
Wasn't he subbed off in the 2nd leg against Atletico when Real was chasing the game and heavily criticised afterwards?
He was. Subbed at half time after an invisible performance, not that he was the only one who was playing poorly in the first half...
We were in for him supposedly.
I've been saying it for ages that just because we have been poor at midfield department is the reason why we tend to overrate midfielders.
Pogba, Gustavo, Thiago are all examples of that. No doubt they are good players and talents but they are still overrated on the caf.
Pogba, Gustavo, Thiago are all examples of that. No doubt they are good players and talents but they are still overrated on the caf.
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