Someone above got it spot on when they said its like we've signed a kid from the make a wish foundation. It's nice to see him enjoying playing but we're Manchester United, not Wrexham. The constant "I'm so happy for him" comments are getting a bit nauseating. It's like being crap is fine as long as you're the right balance of crap and likeable to make it endearing
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He wasn't crap yesterday though. Not at all.
Agree. Problem is Rashford's back to the goal play is not good, he's at best ar running at and facing defenses. That's why we should, will go for a striker who'll play instead of Martial. I hope so. We sorely lack that. Saying that, Weghorst offers pressing from which we started a lot of our attacks when he would disrupt their passing or pressure them in mistakes, but in front of goal he leaves a lot to be desired. He leaves his heart on the pitch and you cant take that from him, I was really happy he scored and it was obvious it meant a lot to him. It was certainly one of his best games for us so far.
Are you sure you watched the right game?
Well didn't get that big goal I hoped for in Nou Camp or at Anfield,still time for it to come against Arsenal/Juve in Europa or City at Wembley
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Well to start with Wout was good last night, created some chances and got a goal (hallelujah!). But sorry we can't support someone who genuinely seems like a great locker room guy who gives it his all out there, unlike some of the overpaid shit we have had to endure anyway it makes a nice change.
He's clearly not the level of long term striker we need, but when Martial gets injured these days by a gust of wind we don't really have a lot of options available to us.
Its not always only about skills. Having someone with 150% effort on the pitch is forcing the lazy ones to give 20% more.
How shameful to have a mate who dies for your team while you have a sleep on the pitch at the same time.
Its a question of mentality change, at least I assume thats a big thing for the manager and was/is maybe his biggest task.
Look at Pogba, he was clearly more talented than what United has right now, but he made the team worse with his attitude.
How shameful to have a mate who dies for your team while you have a sleep on the pitch at the same time.
Its a question of mentality change, at least I assume thats a big thing for the manager and was/is maybe his biggest task.
Look at Pogba, he was clearly more talented than what United has right now, but he made the team worse with his attitude.
But he wasn't crap yesterday, and hasn't really been since he arrived.
Yes, as a striker he should really be scoring more and the chances he had last night he should have buried.
However he's playing the role ETH has asked him - he's holding up the ball, bringing others into play, creating space for others, and generally making a nuisance of himself up front. Dropping him further into midfield is now an option none of thought when he arrived.
To be honest it's refreshing to see someone playing with enthusiasm and energy for us.
We all trust ETH don't we?
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At Ajax, the striker would also drop very deep.
It's a Ten Haag thing.
Our best attacker is Rashford - LW.
Ajax? Guess who, LW, Tadic.
The Number 10 also burst forward when the striker drops deep, this was VDB at Ajax [shadow striker, I think it's called] And what Bruno does when played central.
Ten Haag wants strikers who can drop deep, create overloads in midfield, press from the front and be a part of build up play.
If he wanted a striker to score goals, he'd have simply played Ronaldo more.
People need to understand the Ten Haag system before moaning that Wout doesn't score. Weirdly, it's not his job.
Not me sir
I'd sign him if the price is low enough. We've generally played well with him in the team, he's a very useful player.
Exactly this ! Thank you !! Now I'm gonna find the slowmotion shot.
Just wait, after that goal he’ll be transformed into a goal machine.
Rise Wout Van Weghorst!
Rise Wout Van Weghorst!
Exactly, I thought it was one of his best games for us. Got his poacher goal, should've had an assist if Antony wasn't so utterly predictable, very unlucky when the Betis defender made a great block in the first half, and, even though it obviously didn't count, had another nice finish with his chest when Fred was offside right after the 1-0. He may be a bit slow when getting in scoring positions, but that was a good game by the whole team, and he was an integral part for it.
I'm all for calling out a bad performance, but if that's a bad performance, I'm fine with it pretty much every game.
Some proper miserable twats in this thread. Make a wish kid? Just feck off, honestly.
After years of lazy twats not fit to wear the shirt, we get a player who works his bollocks off... and you still find a way to slag him off.
He's been quite unlucky not to score quite a few, really, and if he had a few more goals to his name the song sang here would be a LOT different. Likewise with assists... he's laid it on a plate many times, just for the player on the other end to knack it up.
Love him to bits. Hope we sign him permanently, I really do.
After years of lazy twats not fit to wear the shirt, we get a player who works his bollocks off... and you still find a way to slag him off.
He's been quite unlucky not to score quite a few, really, and if he had a few more goals to his name the song sang here would be a LOT different. Likewise with assists... he's laid it on a plate many times, just for the player on the other end to knack it up.
Love him to bits. Hope we sign him permanently, I really do.
Hes a grafter. I'll give him that. I think I would still rather him than Martial.
Nice backtracking there. De Gea has been with United 10 years or so. He loves the club more than Weghorst and has been a loyal servant. There's nothing wrong with his attitude and he's also a really likeable guy. If he's not happy-clappy enough for you then fair enough. But you said you'd buy Weghorst and literally a few minutes earlier had slammed de Gea in his performance thread. Make your mind up!
Seriously? I mean, I'm happy for him and all, but he's quite clearly way off what we need - both as a starter and a rotational option. City have got Haaland and Alvarez. Arsenal have Jesus and Nketieh. Liverpool have got Nunez, Jota, and Firminho. There's absolutely no way Weghorst should be signed permanently for a team that will be pushing on for the biggest honours next season.
I'm always critical of him cause I just don't see the quality there. But yesterday he scored and should have had an assist yesterday while working his arse off as always.
Hard to not be pleased for him.
Hard to not be pleased for him.
Too slow to everything. A decent striker would have got at least a couple more last night. There were at least two great crosses where he didn't read it in time. Our attackers are a technically brilliant bunch who can play very quick one touch football, until it gets to Weghorst and the move invariably breaks down. I was happy he scored in much the same way I was happy for Ighalo, but thinking 'awww that's nice for him' isn't what you should be saying about a Man Utd number 9. If we just want somebody who runs we might aswell sign Kipchoge.
You get the feeling the players like him but also know he's not up to the standard.
You get the feeling the players like him but also know he's not up to the standard.
Let's be honest we could play Rashford upfront and two from Sancho, Antony, Garnacho and Pellestri on the wings. If Ten Hag wants to play him fair enough but he's not being forced to Weghorst.
If we were struggling to score goals as a team I’d be worried about Weghorst, purely because our central striker is expected to score a good share of the goals. But we’re not struggling, we’re scoring more freely than we have in years.
So don’t underestimate his part in that. What he’s doing is helping others in the team get chances and take them.
Is he our long term No 9? Of course not. That’s a key transfer target this summer. But he’s doing a decent job for us in the short term and you can see that’s the type of hard working, defend from the front type of striker Ten Hag wants.
So don’t underestimate his part in that. What he’s doing is helping others in the team get chances and take them.
Is he our long term No 9? Of course not. That’s a key transfer target this summer. But he’s doing a decent job for us in the short term and you can see that’s the type of hard working, defend from the front type of striker Ten Hag wants.
such a likable bloke, does he remind anyone else of Oli, the king of the swing, from hostel? Nope? Just me?
It's a completely different tactical set up despite the numbers (4-2-3-1) being the same. And it's quite obvious at this point that it's not ten Hag's default formation.
exactly my sentiment
Martial has 6 goals from 14 appearances this season to be fair.
I'm aware, all I'm saying is we have the option to play someone else up there. And if ETH wants to play Wout up front fair enough.
To be fair that crazy Italian got his foot to like half a dozen of our chances tonight, including 3 or so of Weg's finishes.
It might sound harsh for a short-term loan but he really is horrendous. Like he should've scored about 5 tonight. He'll continue to play by virtue of his availability and running, but there's a reason why players like Weghorst don't play for top clubs.
2021-22:
Haller (34 goals, 103 mins per goal) + 9 assists.
Brobbey (7 goals, 71 mins per goal) + 1 assist.
2020-21:
Haller (13 goals, 145 mins per goal) + 7 assists.
Huntelaar (7 goals, 60 mins per goal) + 1 assist.
Brobbey (6 goals, 62 mins per goal) + 1 assist.
For being not their job Ajax' strikers sure were going that extra mile.
Also I believe Tadic is their Bruno, not their Rashford. I think this is why he's experimenting with Bruno out wide.
Jokes aside, he does create quite a few chances for his team mates? Yesterday he shouldve had 2 assists (and, granted, a hattrick). Calling him a make a wish kid is a bit daft. This guy was told as an amateur to stop dreaming of being a professional footballer, because he would never make it (true story). And look where he is now. He worked harder to be there than probably 99% of all footballers. To then see lazy fat cnuts like Rafael Vd Vaart and Wesley Sneijder laugh at him is grating. Imagine if Van der Vaart had Wout's attitude. He would've been the actual golden boy the world predicted him to be instead of an above average Spurs player for 1.5 seasons.
He's no Lewandowski, but he is hardly an entirely useless donkey.
He's no Lewandowski, but he is hardly an entirely useless donkey.
mate, what are you on about?"I'm glad I am not the one making decision because I'd definitely buy him, even though I know he's nowhere near being good enough."
Quoting myself here, if that bit of humor makes you angry then let's leave it. Clearly you're being sensitive about De Gea so maybe let's just leave it because I don't want to hurt your feelings as Dave is not having a good time now. Or this season in general.
I'm not backtracking anything, I have a firm opinion on both De Gea and Weghorst, you seem like a weirdo who's following my posts so you should know by now I've been very consistent on this.
I don't question De Gea loyalty, I have no problem with his attitude, he's just not a good enough goalkeeper, just as Wout isn't good enough as CF. I don't particularly see De Gea as likeable character, I'm neutral when it comes to him. He's too timid as a goalkeeper what has been a problem for us, but this isn't a big pain for us now because we have very experienced backline. It's a bit weird De Gea still plays like that 21yo boy when he joined, and he's actually the most senior player.
Both De Gea and Wout are in the same bucket, they do the job because we have noone else, and both can be easily upgraded. You like De Gea, I much prefer Weghorst for his attitude and that he's actually enjoying being here. I really don't know why you want to make this about De Gea. Just enjoy Wout good performance/goal or leave this thread, why all those negative vibes?
Overall probably our second best striker (after Zlatan) since RvP. More goals will come, and he has some assists already, and if his teammates could finish he would have even more assists. I wouldn't mind him at all as a cheap backup behind the expensive starter.
There just can never be any middle ground I guess. We have extremes of negativity on one end, and extremes like this on the other. There's no evidence (yet) that ETH won't be getting funds to sign a striker over the summer (which would make your post understandable), but you're itching to sign a striker that's not good enough at his primary job, because he runs a lot and makes hypothetical assists
Oh come on now, you honestly rate what he’s doing higher than Cavani or Ronaldo’s contribution? I really like Weghorst but let’s not get carried away.
There just can never be any middle ground I guess. We have extremes of negativity on one end, and extremes like this on the other. There's no evidence (yet) that ETH won't be getting funds to sign a striker over the summer (which would make your post understandable), but you're itching to sign a striker that's not good enough at his primary job, because he runs a lot and makes hypothetical assists
I made no mention of him being a starter.
The make a wish comments are bit harsh tbh. I wouldn’t mind if we decided to sign Weghorst but hopefully not as our main CF. We need levels to our attack and the answer is Osimhen.
His finishing is a bit shit, but the bigger issue is his inability to get clean shots away. He was a 1 in 2 man in weaker leagues - Germany, Turkey, Netherlands - and I think that's all down to the fact that he was able to navigate himself a bit more space and time to shoot. In the PL and EL the intensity and speed is too much.His Bundesliga goal scoring record is pretty good actually, how the feck did he get that many goals over there with this kind of finishing
Ten hag has been pretty smart in the way he utilizes him.
He's averaging 1.28 shots per 90 in the PL which puts him in the bottom 5 percentage for the entire league. In most his seasons in Germany he was averaging nearly double that.
Can't score if he can't shoot!
"I'm glad I am not the one making decision because I'd definitely buy him, even though I know he's nowhere near being good enough."
Quoting myself here, if that bit of humor makes you angry then let's leave it. Clearly you're being sensitive about De Gea so maybe let's just leave it because I don't want to hurt your feelings as Dave is not having a good time now. Or this season in general.
I'm not backtracking anything, I have a firm opinion on both De Gea and Weghorst, you seem like a weirdo who's following my posts so you should know by now I've been very consistent on this.
I don't question De Gea loyalty, I have no problem with his attitude, he's just not a good enough goalkeeper, just as Wout isn't good enough as CF. I don't particularly see De Gea as likeable character, I'm neutral when it comes to him. He's too timid as a goalkeeper what has been a problem for us, but this isn't a big pain for us now because we have very experienced backline. It's a bit weird De Gea still plays like that 21yo boy when he joined, and he's actually the most senior player.
Both De Gea and Wout are in the same bucket, they do the job because we have noone else, and both can be easily upgraded. You like De Gea, I much prefer Weghorst for his attitude and that he's actually enjoying being here. I really don't know why you want to make this about De Gea. Just enjoy Wout good performance/goal or leave this thread, why all those negative vibes?
Wow, chill bro! So much pent-up energy.
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