What does that even mean?
It's like saying if we had 11 de Gea's we'd get relegated or if Rashford was our goalie we'd concede 6 goals a game
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It's like saying if we had 11 de Gea's we'd get relegated or if Rashford was our goalie we'd concede 6 goals a game
His first four games were decent. They were good examples of a player who wasn't necessarily playing well on the individual level, but he was playing a fairly big part in knitting our attack together and helping the players around him play well. If he'd stayed at that level I would have considered it to be a fairly successful loan. Not as good as we'd ideally want of course, but he was doing the job that we needed him to do.
After that he then had three or four shit games. His last two have improved a bit again; still not good enough but he was playing a role that did help the team function. It sounds like an incredibly basic thing, but it's still better than what Ronaldo was doing or that Rashford himself was doing earlier in the season when played at striker (although he's obviously improved there significantly the last few months). Just having that constant movement (both offensively and defensively) does stretch things and create opportunities for others. Obviously we need him to get back to at least the level he was in for his first few games though.
It means at his level. Not his position.
Some players are simply capable of getting through more work than others. It's fair enough to acknowledge that. It's not enough by itself of course but it is a good attribute that can make a player more useful.
As shite as he is in the box and in the air, he does seem to take the ball into feet better than Bruno when being pressed aggressively. This in turn frees Rashford to have space to run onto.
He also presses well and keeps the shape of the team. Its a genius move by EtH really. Wout still isn't good enough but his role very important for Rashford when played upfront.
Our backup No.10 was VDB and I'd say the last 120mins of WW in that position has been better than anything I've seen Donny do.
He also presses well and keeps the shape of the team. Its a genius move by EtH really. Wout still isn't good enough but his role very important for Rashford when played upfront.
Our backup No.10 was VDB and I'd say the last 120mins of WW in that position has been better than anything I've seen Donny do.
Such an odd footballer 
Yeah he's not good enough for our level, but it is what it is until the end of the season. Not much point getting worked up over an emergency loan signing at this point. I'm more pissed off at Martial, and to an extent the club/ex-managers for putting us in a situation where we had to resort to once again desperately loaning a forward to make up the numbers
I think everyone should chill, aren't we winning our games? We lost or draw games due to mistakes in defence. I think WW plays according to what ETH wants which is to press so we can win back the ball. Win header in the middle of the park and lay off to Rashford, Garnacho, Sancho, Antony or Bruno. I am happy with his workrate to press, probably one of the best in Utd. Much better than Rashford, Martial or Bruno.
Weghorst on his role as a midfielder against FC Barcelona: "My task was to be annoying" - don't know why this made me chuckle so much.
Thought he did well and disrupted the flow for Barca.
He's been good for us playing a bit deeper.
He's been good for us playing a bit deeper.
You get the feeling that he would be a lot better if he was 30 cm shorter.
Anyway, clearly we are not gonna get a lot of goals out of him, but I think he contributes in other ways. I am not at a point, where I hope he stays for next season though.
Anyway, clearly we are not gonna get a lot of goals out of him, but I think he contributes in other ways. I am not at a point, where I hope he stays for next season though.
I suspect his shot yesterday was probably like his third shot in total as a United player. Totally harmless and toothless.
If only he was quicker.
Seems that you understand the criticism more than you think you do.
I didn't say to start him in every game. Just not to start Wout. Garanacho can start some, Pillestri can start some, Antony will be back, and Martial will eventually be back for 1 or 2 games before he gets hurt again
I always said we just need to back him, because he is doing a job.. has never been someone we expected to score many and be a sensation, but his attitude has been great, and despite a couple of relatively ordinary games recently, his move to drop deeper has been a definite success, allowing Rashford to benefit, hugely.
After seeing that Weghorst interview where he said Ten Hag told him to just be as annoying to their midfield as possible I think he might actually have been quite key in completely dominating the midfield battle yesterday. He really is a very disruptive presence on mid field. Like a run-away elephant just knocking stuff over haphazardly.
Not the prettiest tactic, but you can't argue with the results after dominating (at times) a very strong Barca side at their ground. Though it does also call into question the current strenght of La liga. They dominate quite convincingly, but weren't that special if you see them play yesterday.
Not the prettiest tactic, but you can't argue with the results after dominating (at times) a very strong Barca side at their ground. Though it does also call into question the current strenght of La liga. They dominate quite convincingly, but weren't that special if you see them play yesterday.
I get what you're saying but I'm not sure it's fair to judge the strength of a league based on one off European games. Considering also we have a poor spurs side still in the CL, i'd hate for people to judge the strength of the PL on them. Likewise the couple of times Chelsea won the CL, it's simply not a good barometer.
Yeah that's fair, though Spurs isnt currently dominating the premier league. Of course this is still just a one off game.
Pissed off at Martial for being injured?
Martial is not the reason for us having Weghorst, Ronaldo is. It is Ronaldo’s departure that meant we needed another forward. It’s our fault for not getting one any better than Wout Weghorst.
It’s a shame things turned sour with Ronaldo. I suspect he’d have scored a few more goals than Weghorst in this period if he had to start 8 games straight.
Erling Haaland from the stands. I want to be hyped about our rentals, but Wout is not a success story so far
This isn’t a one-off game. Barcelona were only in this game because they got knocked out of the CL over 6 games, not one. For a team so utterly dominant at home to the point of barely conceding a goal, they look average in European competition all season so far.
This is the benefit they have though. Soon enough, they will probably have a very strong team again. But when they have dips, their dips can never be the same as ours. They could go through 5 years of being a bit ordinary and still pick up a league title or two and will almost certainly qualify for the CL every year. United are not afforded that luxury. And then ensues the chaos, the toxic journalism the engulfing negativity associated with a United languishing around 5th or 6th which Barca will just not have to ever face. In 3 years they can find that 10% back and go and challenge for the CL again, but their bottom level is nice and comfy.
He was basically an extra body in midfield to help us gain control and it mostly worked. He didn't do anything spectacular individually but I think tactically it worked very well for us.
He is obviously a weak link but if we can play like we did yesterday with him in that position imagine how good we could be once we get an upgrade this summer in both midfield and a striker. And for all the crap he is getting - can you imagine how that game would have went had Ronaldo been playing instead of him?
He is obviously a weak link but if we can play like we did yesterday with him in that position imagine how good we could be once we get an upgrade this summer in both midfield and a striker. And for all the crap he is getting - can you imagine how that game would have went had Ronaldo been playing instead of him?
ETH taking a leaf out of Van Gaal's book and using him similar to Fellaini, as a target man/second striker up top.
Wout is a better footballer ofcourse, but Fellaini was better in the air.
Wout is a better footballer ofcourse, but Fellaini was better in the air.
Here for all the positive comments....do not get me wrong, I think he should be scoring more and ultimately he isnt the answer but can fans under the age of 25 accept and realise that you need a squad to win games and titles, everyone offers something different.
Some of this younger generation I hate to think what you would have all said about the likes of McClair, Blackmore, Dublin, etc.
Some of this younger generation I hate to think what you would have all said about the likes of McClair, Blackmore, Dublin, etc.
Yes hence my original post calling the strenght of La Liga into question.
Toxic journalism isnt exclusive to England though. Barca are rightly being massacred in the press lately. Which I love, feck them and feck La Liga, play-acting shite.
I think fans over 25 would do well to de-link the title of ‘squad player’ from the removal of any sort of standard at all. If Weghorst is if the requisite standard to be a squad player here, then almost anyone is. What does squad player mean? That if Martial is injured you might need to start 8 games straight as we pursue honours? Is that a job for just anyone? Compare what Weghorst has given us with what Nketiah has given Arsenal in Jesus’ absence.
I’m eternally frustrated when watching Weghorst because it’s so obvious that with the addition of an actually suitable squad player instead - someone like Memphis, Morata, Dembele - this team could win the lot. We are really quite good, and a proper striker who actually poses some sort of threat would have done wonders.
I can’t imagine Weghorst has managed up to 5 shots on target since he’s been here. In fact, possibly not even 5 shots in total. The opportunity to improve on THAT level of contribution is so vast that surely any one of a number of options would have been so much better for us.
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Oh I love work rate, I just think in any team work rate is the bare minimum
Sure if we are talking about Ngolo Kante. For an attacker it shouldn't be viewed as anything useful if it's all they provide though
Oh I love work rate, I just think in any team work rate is the bare minimum
Sure if we are talking about Ngolo Kante. For an attacker it shouldn't be viewed as anything useful if it's all they provide though
My rule of thumb is that if a player is working as hard as they can, and applying themselves as thoughtfully as possible, then I have no complaints if they fall short. I think we've seen in the last few games that he's probably not worth buying even as a backup, but he's giving his all and I respect that. I've seen plenty of more talented players who could learn from his effort.
Think it's easy to see how Sabitzer comes in for Weghorst next week. Bruno, Rashford and 1 other in the front 3, casemiro, Fred and Sabitzer as the midfield. Weghorst did alright but it was essentially a box to box midfield role.
Aerially I'm shocked how useless he is though. Thought he'd be at least ok. Nothing out of him in that department.
Aerially I'm shocked how useless he is though. Thought he'd be at least ok. Nothing out of him in that department.
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Ten Hag would be starting Fellaini as the 10 every week to be honest
Not sure if it's been mentioned before but he has every right to feel a bit aggrieved at Rashford/others for not passing or squaring to him in positions in or just around the box the last few games. I've not seen him mop or moan about it, which is nice to see. He's essentially a third midfielder for us the past two games playing behind Bruno and Rashford. It's bit of a thankless task.
His deficiencies are clear but his work rate is phenomenal. That doesn't make him a 'good' player but I can appreciate his use in the team and he has definitely shown that. That's all to it really for me.
His deficiencies are clear but his work rate is phenomenal. That doesn't make him a 'good' player but I can appreciate his use in the team and he has definitely shown that. That's all to it really for me.
ETH start him over Elanga say it all, he plays quite a big part in our winning run, of course he didn't score or assist much, but there's some other things (like the two posts above) he is providing to us that you can't ignore.
Even Martial become available for 2nd leg, I would start WW over him for sure.
Even Martial become available for 2nd leg, I would start WW over him for sure.
Interesting take on WW from sky sports.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...an-utd-as-erik-ten-hag-thinks-outside-the-box
https://www.skysports.com/football/...an-utd-as-erik-ten-hag-thinks-outside-the-box
Better footballer than Fellaini? Nah he isn't. Not in the role he is now.
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He should do a Joelinton and simply turn into a CM now. Being a striker isn't for him
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