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Great work-rate but technically, and I think we all knew this, he's a couple of levels down from the majority of his teammates.

Longterm I can't see a future for him here but for the time being, and with Martial being so unreliable fitness wise, he'll do.

Edit: Would've loved to have seen him in that brawl though.
 
So far, there’s really no case to be made for buying him at the end of his loan but he’s not some dud just standing around watching the play. He’s working hard and his link play isn’t bad.
 
I thought he would be a brilliant fit . We aren't playing to his strength either. He isn't that great in air and is very slow too.
 
He is doing okay, not spectacular but he is a body to get us through this congested period and do a reasonably valuable job for the team.

Hopefully Martial can put together a run of fitness until the end of the season as he is definitely quite a bit better.
 
You definitely saw the upturn in ability when Martial came on against Forrest when he replaced the Horst.
Unfortunately Martial just can't keep fit.
 
Sunny Jim said:
i thinkhe has done ok, i see what je has done right. At the same time i know that at this moment of time he does not look good enough for us. He has been ok for a short term fix, he is not mid-term solution to anything
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I think he'll sign for us and will be a viable option off the bench. He'll be good enough if used in the right way.
 
Litch said:
I think he'll sign for us and will be a viable option off the bench. He'll be good enough if used in the right way.
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The worst of our back up strikers when we were successful were the likes of Chicha and Welbeck. If we want to get back there, Weghorst sure as shit isn't the answer. If Martial cant put together a string of games before the season ends, we should look to bring in a starting striker and another young prospect, someone like Alvarez before the City move, between the two of them and Rashford in an emergency, we should be covered. No reason to give someone who is blatantly not up to standards a contract just because his attitude/application is sound.
 
Never thought I'd ever say this, but I prefer having Wout to the Ronaldo that was on show this season.
 
Just look at the market though. Would you rather have bought Gakpo, or even Nunez, for what they cost. Or have Weghorst on loan for a couple of million and maybe costing £10m to be 3rd/4th choice?
 
Lecland07 said:
Who else was available for loan, though? Felix is costing a million per game. It is most likely that we didn't want to dump a large sum on any signing in January when we will need it to sign the likes of Kane or Osimhen in the summer. That is the main reason why we have Weghorst.
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We don't know who's available on loan until a deal finalizes . Before Sabitzer was announced, everyone was assuming that Gravenberch was the Bayern player going on loan. I don't think it's a coincidence we got another Dutch/former Eredivisie player at this point.

ETH does not trust whatever the club is suggesting, or else we'd have signed at least one Bundesliga/La Liga/Serie A/ Ligue 1/EPL player in the summer (and I think it's fair to discount a bloke who's won 4 champions leagues on the bounce).
 
Underrated player. Very good hold up play… a nuisance for defenders and creates space for our attackers by dragging defenders away.
 
I do think his attributes are better suited to games where we'll have less of the ball. Better to have Martial for the likes of Palace and use Weghorst in the bigger games where his pressing and shithousery will be more useful.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Calm down, I didn't mean it as any form of abuse, I meant he can't stay fit unfortunately.
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I'm eating sour cream and onion prinkles and drinking a Kronenbourg with my feet up. Don't think I can be more calm. I calmly pointed out that I mentioned Anthony Martial's name and you almost instantly and innacurately replied with something negative, I also referenced how common that is a trend on here.

If your comment did not come from an overly critical place I'd calm down and not worry about my response.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
I'm eating sour cream and onion prinkles and drinking a Kronenbourg with my feet up. Don't think I can be more calm. I calmly pointed out that I mentioned Anthony Martial's name and you almost instantly and innacurately replied with something negative, I also referenced how common that is a trend on here.

If your comment did not come from an overly critical place I'd calm down and not worry about my response.
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It wasn't that negative or inaccurate, he has been injured for a substantial amount of games, then came back for half a game and is now injured again, to say don't count on it for Martial to stay fit, is a fair reflection of his injury record. It was not negativity, it was fact.
 
He's done a job that was needed. A cheap option to just be that number up top. We would be worse of without him as we would probably have rashford up top until martial makes the few minutes here and there.

At least now we can have rashford in his best position starting games until we wanna change it up. Am interested to see him with Dalot putting in crosses (as Dalot at least lifts it)...

He's done well and have no problem with him being a number two option overall (but we do need a class consistent striker up top)
 
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It wasn't that negative or inaccurate, he has been injured for a substantial amount of games, then came back for half a game and is now injured again, to say don't count on it for Martial to stay fit, is a fair reflection of his injury record. It was not negativity, it was fact.
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Yes but feeling the need for jumping on me when I clearly said "hopefully" is needless isn't it?
 
He is just too slow to be a factor in this side. There's been a few times in each match where he lays the ball of to Bruno or someone and they try and play a ball in behind for him to run onto but he's just too slow to reach it.

It was the same with Ronaldo earlier in the season. Only difference is Weghorst presses and is happy to be here. As others have said he was only an option to bring on as a plan B but Martial's unreliability has made him a starter.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Yes but feeling the need for jumping on me when I clearly said "hopefully" is needless isn't it?
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The anti/pro Martial stuff is actually insufferable. We have a couple months between now and the transfer window. Commenting on available options doesn't mean endorsing a future at the club. He can't be relied on, it already goes without saying. When we upgrade in the summer it's hopefully someone who can combine what Wout and Martial bring, Till then we need every ounce of help we cant get because it's no sin to say their skillsets are actually very useful in ETH's system.
 
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The worst of our back up strikers when we were successful were the likes of Chicha and Welbeck. If we want to get back there, Weghorst sure as shit isn't the answer. If Martial cant put together a string of games before the season ends, we should look to bring in a starting striker and another young prospect, someone like Alvarez before the City move, between the two of them and Rashford in an emergency, we should be covered. No reason to give someone who is blatantly not up to standards a contract just because his attitude/application is sound.
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I guess we'll see but there is nothing blatant. We are in good form and hes contributed to that.
Not entirely sure what hes done wrong so far anyway? Its not like we are presenting him with loads of chances.
 
He has been fine, hold up and link up play is very good. Lacks pace to run in behind or run the channels but he is a threat In the box aerially.

He's not the future by any stretch of the imagination but he is doing well enough for now.
 
The United said:
The club probably chose the cheapest loan move at that time.
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ETH's assessment of him was abysmal.

Nonetheless, based on the club's recent history of striker deals, I am concerned about the club's ability to sign any decent permanent striker.
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Strange thing to be concerned with when the whole scouting department and recruitment personnel has changed along with the manager and coaches.

Literally what’s happened previously has no relevance.
 
TheReligion said:
Strange thing to be concerned with when the whole scouting department and recruitment personnel has changed along with the manager and coaches.

Literally what’s happened previously has no relevance.
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Yet, this loan happened (despite some scouting personals changing, but not all), and we have no idea what the club's spending (which does not seem to be focused on spending well or much on striker positions, hence tons of shitty loan deals) will be like in the summer at this point.
 
The United said:
Yet, this loan happened (despite some scouting personals changing, but not all), and we have no idea what the club's spending (which does not seem to be focused on spending well or much on striker positions, hence tons of shitty loan deals) will be like in the summer at this point.
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Well yes as we don’t have much money currently due to eating in to the winter budget over the summer, and the sale process. The new scouting team won’t really bare its fruits until the summer either so having been blindsided by Ronaldo we’re just needed someone in.

You seem to be stuck judging the club in the past, despite all the positive changes going on.
 
TheReligion said:
Well yes as we don’t have much money currently due to eating in to the winter budget over the summer, and the sale process. The new scouting team won’t really bare its fruits until the summer either so having been blindsided by Ronaldo we’re just needed someone in.

You seem to be stuck judging the club in the past, despite all the positive changes going on.
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Hm, how else would you "judge" a club then? Based on a future that we don't even know at this point in terms of if someone is even going to buy us? And if we go with the current (past) process, well, you already know why I have my concerns.
 
The United said:
Hm, how else would you "judge" a club then? Based on a future that we don't even know at this point in terms of if someone is even going to buy us? And if we go with the current (past) process, well, you already know why I have my concerns.
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You don’t because you can’t?

Seems unfair to be critical of recruitment and Ten Hag given all the change really.

The club is doing some good things away from the pitch. I’m actually more confident in our recruitment now than I have been since Sir Alex.
 
The bottom line, he is huge upgrade to Ronaldo. His availability is critical for us now. People need to have right expectation.
 
TheReligion said:
You don’t because you can’t?

Seems unfair to be critical of recruitment and Ten Hag given all the change really.

The club is doing some good things away from the pitch. I’m actually more confident in our recruitment now than I have been since Sir Alex.
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I think you are really into thinking that I am critical of the recruitment and ETH here. I have some doubts about the recruitment process, but I believe it will improve over time.

But what I am more concerned about here is the ability of our club to spend on the right targets. The striker position will be expensive, and I am not sure if we will have enough budget to go for our first target with the current situation of our club. It may force us to do some cheap deals that have previously failed us. ETH and recruitment can only do so much without getting proper money.
 
The United said:
I think you are really into thinking that I am critical of the recruitment and ETH here. I have some doubts about the recruitment process, but I believe it will improve over time.

But what I am more concerned about here is the ability of our club to spend on the right targets. The striker position will be expensive, and I am not sure if we will have enough budget to go for our first target with the current situation of our club. It may force us to do some cheap deals that have previously failed us. ETH and recruitment can only do so much without getting proper money.
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I mean your first post did criticise the recruitment and the judgement of Ten Hag..

With all respect it does feel like worrying and complaining over nothing. I’m glad we got Weghorst in as Martial is unreliable and we have been without Sancho. He’s had to pretty much play every game so without him we’d have struggled to play in all competitions.

United will have to sell to spend and that’s normal and much needed given we have a bloated squad. Money will be there and targets already being identified.

To judge this based on previous regimes seems excessively doom and gloom tbh. Eriksen and Malacia have both been good cheap deals so far. Sabitzer and Weghorst could be shrewd business too.
 
TheReligion said:
I mean your first post did criticise the recruitment and the judgement of Ten Hag..

With all respect it does feel like worrying and complaining over nothing. I’m glad we got Weghorst in as Martial is unreliable and we have been without Sancho. He’s had to pretty much play every game so without him we’d have struggled to play in all competitions.

United will have to sell to spend and that’s normal and much needed given we have a bloated squad. Money will be there and targets already being identified.

To judge this based on previous regimes seems excessively doom and gloom tbh. Eriksen and Malacia have both been good cheap deals so far. Sabitzer and Weghorst could be shrewd business too.
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I know that someone had to come in there. But I don't really rate him to the extent that he would be too much useful. I wanted us to have better loan than his to help us a bit more. So, I am putting some sort of "judgements" on them as a whole for making this deal but I did imply that the deal happened because the club probably didn't want to spend more on better options even as loans.

And concerning over striker recruitment does not seem excessively doom and gloom. It is logical due to repeated failure of addressing that issue for awhile, much like the right wing spot a couple of years earlier. If I have concerns on the likes of Eriksen's or Malacia's deals then you are right that I am worrying excessively.

However, caution must be exercised until we are regularly winning something or close to that. This regime has only been here for a year at most, and logically, it is hard to judge either way at this moment. Otherwise, it would be like being overly optimistic, which isn't necessarily a bad thing because it makes you feel good.
 
the lack of service any centre forward will get with Rahford and Antony as your starting wingers is a worry. Not knocking any of them as they have their roles, but we need to be very careful with our next selection up front. Any striker relying on crosses being whipped in will suffer in this line up.
 
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the lack of service any centre forward will get with Rahford and Antony as your starting wingers is a worry. Not knocking any of them as they have their roles, but we need to be very careful with our next selection up front. Any striker relying on crosses being whipped in will suffer in this line up.
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Rashford is our current best performing attacker. Would be like Liverpool asking Salah to supply Firminho. The CF is now as much a support role as a scoring role. The inside forwards are their strike partners. Besides Wout doesn't have the kind of ability to be supplied. The real reason he isn't much of a goal threat is his lack of mobility and physicality. Like he can head the ball but isn't the best at aerial duels and he can't get on the end of attacking headers so it has to be delivered at his head. It won't be as productive as people think to supply him aerially.
 
Greck said:
Rashford is our current best performing attacker. Would be like Liverpool asking Salah to supply Firminho. The CF is now as much a support role as a scoring role. The inside forwards are their strike partners. Besides Wout doesn't have the kind of ability to be supplied. The real reason he isn't much of a goal threat is his lack of mobility and physicality. Like he can head the ball but isn't the best at aerial duels and he can't get on the end of attacking headers so it has to be delivered at his head. It won't be as productive as people think to supply him aerially.
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Well said
 
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