Would you take Ten Hag at United?

Would you take Ten Hag at United?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1,547 92.3%

  • No

    Votes: 129 7.7%
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Money wise, we can't compete with bottomless money pit clubs. The only way to overcome them is having an excellent manager, just like Liverpool has done.

A 3-5 years rebuilding is a complete BS and illogical, with average to even good manager. You need excellent players in right away to stay within Top 4. But then by the end of those 3-5 years, those top players are much older (footballing sense) that may need replacement. Then it's like a cycle of never ending "re-build". And that's if (a big IF), all of your purchase along the way are 100% success. That's just illogical thought.

We need a manager that can think outside the box to win the League and/or CL. But then, if the target is just to stay Top 4, United can obviously overspend 90% of other Clubs to hit that target.
 
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lsd said:
He is 51 totally unproven at the highest level of managing a club like United.

He is the latest flavour of the month from the same people on here who were hyping up Eddie Howe and wanting him to take over United a few years ago
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Ajax is very much a club like United ie one of the more prestigious clubs in Europe with a proud footballing tradition. Stop making out like United is somehow a unique, special club that is different to any other, it's this rose-tinted view that has us in our current predicament. Ole would never have got the job if he hadn't played for Utd as he doesn't have the skills or credentials to lead a top team. He'd get nowhere near any other top team in Europe and rightly so. He's not good enough.
Ajax have been playing far better football than us over the past few seasons with a weaker squad and doing better in Europe. They came so close to the CL final in 2019, losing narrowly to Spurs in the semi-final. Anyone who thinks Ten Hag is inferior to Ole needs their head tested. Give Ole the Ajax squad and I'm sure they'd suddenly look a lot worse.
Competing at the pointy end of the CL is the highest level so to say he's unproven at the highest level is rubbish.
 
GBBQ said:
The pressure for PL managers is insane. So much focus and reaction to every single thing you do with entitled toxic fanbases and mud slinging media.
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Ajax fans are the most entitled fans out there. I remember one time they finished second and they went on a frenzy, attacking the player bus, yelling and demanding to speak with the players/manager.

There's way more pressure at Ajax than United. At United if you finish top 4, you'll keep your job.

Also the idea that "winning isnt enough and Ajax have to play entertaining attacking football" is just a notion that's keeps getting echod by Ajax fans, because it's an important part of their identity. De Boer played awful football, the fans didn't like it, but he was never under threat to lose his job because he won titles. If you don't win titles you're out anyway, even with pretty football.
 
VanDeBank said:
Ajax fans are the most entitled fans out there. I remember one time they finished second and they went on a frenzy, attacking the player bus, yelling and demanding to speak with the players/manager.

There's way more pressure at Ajax than United. At United if you finish top 4, you'll keep your job.

Also the idea that "winning isnt enough and Ajax have to play entertaining attacking football" is just a notion that's keeps getting echod by Ajax fans, because it's an important part of their identity. De Boer played awful football, the fans didn't like it, but he was never under threat to lose his job because he won titles. If you don't win titles you're out anyway, even with pretty football.
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I remember being in Amsterdam a night in the early 2000s when Ajax lost an important game. They wrecked everything on Nieuwendijk.
They have won more European Cup/ CL than us.
 
Adisa said:
Painful reality.
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At United you are also allowed to approach all top matches like cowards, sit back and defend and grind for a result. If you get some kind of decent/average results from that, the fans will name that as your strength and say "we're good in top matches".

Ajax fans and United fans are completely different, also to Real/Barcelona fans for example.

United is a huge club, that adds pressure. But our fans are some of the most lenient/patient I'd say out of the domestic top clubs in the top 7 leagues I'd say.
 
VanDeBank said:
Ajax fans are the most entitled fans out there. I remember one time they finished second and they went on a frenzy, attacking the player bus, yelling and demanding to speak with the players/manager.

There's way more pressure at Ajax than United. At United if you finish top 4, you'll keep your job.

Also the idea that "winning isnt enough and Ajax have to play entertaining attacking football" is just a notion that's keeps getting echod by Ajax fans, because it's an important part of their identity. De Boer played awful football, the fans didn't like it, but he was never under threat to lose his job because he won titles. If you don't win titles you're out anyway, even with pretty football.
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You're absolutely right. Look at Van Basten, an Ajax legend but he didn't win anything and had to go(he resigned before he was sacked though, something a certain United club legends should do;)).
 
Terranova said:
You're absolutely right. Look at Van Basten, an Ajax legend but he didn't win anything and had to go(he resigned before he was sacked though, something a certain United club legends should do;)).
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That's who I was thinking of as well. As a coach, he got zero leeway for being a legend. I remember a scene after a poor, lost match when he was walking along the stands and a supporter was screaming at him from up close that he needs the third star on his shirt (for 30 league championships) and what's Van Basten going to do about it. And that wouldn't have been just one idiot's opinion.
 
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Cheimoon said:
That's who I was thinking of as well. As a trainer, he got zero leeway for being a legend. I remember a scene after a poor, lost match when he was walking along the stands and a supporter was screaming at him from up close that he needs the third star on his shirt (for 30 league championships) and what's Van Basten going to do about it. And that wouldn't have been just one idiot's opinion.
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When you phrase it that way... just a bit tongue in cheek, but what if the atmosphere at United actually offered too little pressure to make someone like ten Hag perform? I don't expect this, but when you compare how the crowds in the stadium treat the managers at United and Ajax it really looks like Ajax is much tougher.
 
stefan92 said:
When you phrase it that way... just a bit tongue in cheek, but what if the atmosphere at United actually offered too little pressure to make someone like ten Hag perform? I don't expect this, but when you compare how the crowds in the stadium treat the managers at United and Ajax it really looks like Ajax is much tougher.
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Of course it's much tougher at Ajax. The crowd at OT are rabbits compared to the one at Ajax as per The managers are concerned. Not only the crowd the media will be on their back saying that they are not playing The Ajax way and all that sort of thing. I mean when The Netherlands played in The WC Final and lost to Spain, they didn't praise them for going to The Final. They bashed them for not playing proper football, The Dutch way.
 
Foxbatt said:
Of course it's much tougher at Ajax. The crowd at OT are rabbits compared to the one at Ajax as per The managers are concerned. Not only the crowd the media will be on their back saying that they are not playing The Ajax way and all that sort of thing. I mean when The Netherlands played in The WC Final and lost to Spain, they didn't praise them for going to The Final. They bashed them for not playing proper football, The Dutch way.
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I think most of the Dutch media actually hated how well Van Gaal did at the Brazil WC in 2014. He was playing a defensive style that they wanted to fail so future managers wouldn't dare to repeat it. Their certainly wasn't a lot of praise for the performance in that tournamest (aside from individual moments and the trashing of Spain).

Anyway, I wouldn't want to imply that there is no pressure at United, or that Ajax is worse; just that Ajax really isn't a calm subtop-like club where they're happy with whatever may come their way.
 
Watched the Dortmund Ajax game the other day.
They absolutely battered a decent Dortmund team. It was 4 nil but could easily have been 6 or 7 but for poor finishing.
What was most impressive was they kept playing good attacking football the whole 90.
Their squad on paper is average.
 
You just know our incompetent board will overlook this guy in favour of a bigger name like Conte or Zidane and he’ll end up at City and it’ll be like Guardiola never left.
 
I imagine if everyone watched Ajax dismantle Dortmund as I just did the poll would be at 100%. Unreal how he has rebuilt his side after so many significant departures a couple of summers ago.

Super impressive.
 
He has to be the next Man Utd manager. I don't care if we have to keep Ole to till the end of the season. This is the man we need to choose next!
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
How is the pressure not bigger when you are competing with much bigger league and one of the best league in the world with expectation to compete with the likes of Liverpool, City and Chelsea who are currently among the best top 5 clubs in the world.

Moving from Ajax to Man United for any manager is not just considered as new challenge but also considered as bigger challenge because the pressure is bigger as the difficulty of the challenge is bigger. Unless you are telling me that Erik Ten Hag moving from Ajax to United is like a stepping stone move huh??
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Should we not have taken SAF because he only managed Aberdeen?
 
If Newcastle get Overmars, wouldn't be surprised to see them try and bag Ten Hag too.
 
Womp said:
If Newcastle get Overmars, wouldn't be surprised to see them try and bag Ten Hag too.
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This is what scares me. We will dither and other clubs will take all the good managers.
 
Imagine if Newcastle get Ten Hag instead.

And of course we will continue to stick with Ole until mathematically impossible to finish top 4.
 
I can imagine the benefit players like vdb, rashford and sancho would get from playing under ten hag in a proper system and coaching.
 
MvG said:
I imagine if everyone watched Ajax dismantle Dortmund as I just did the poll would be at 100%. Unreal how he has rebuilt his side after so many significant departures a couple of summers ago.

Super impressive.
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Aye, everyone talks about a rebuild & defend Ole for how long it takes, but this man lost de Ligt, Frenkie, DvB, Dolberg & Ziyech in the time since Ole took over United. That’s half a team gone.
Despite those ridiculously talented departures he’s 3 from 3 in his Champions group & absolutely schooling the likes of Dortmund/Rose.
 
Should be in his ear now, don't know what input Murtough and Fletcher have as DOF but you would like to think they are looking at his performance there proactively and letting him know we are interested, if Ole's tenure continues like it has, highs and lows, we should move on, check ten hag's history, very impressive, everywhere he has coached he has done great things, his team's performance against dortmund was exceptional with inferior players, what could he do with a squad like ours.
 
kerryman said:
Ajax is very much a club like United ie one of the more prestigious clubs in Europe with a proud footballing tradition. Stop making out like United is somehow a unique, special club that is different to any other, it's this rose-tinted view that has us in our current predicament. Ole would never have got the job if he hadn't played for Utd as he doesn't have the skills or credentials to lead a top team. He'd get nowhere near any other top team in Europe and rightly so. He's not good enough.
Ajax have been playing far better football than us over the past few seasons with a weaker squad and doing better in Europe. They came so close to the CL final in 2019, losing narrowly to Spurs in the semi-final. Anyone who thinks Ten Hag is inferior to Ole needs their head tested. Give Ole the Ajax squad and I'm sure they'd suddenly look a lot worse.
Competing at the pointy end of the CL is the highest level so to say he's unproven at the highest level is rubbish.
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This post has nothing but truths..

Looking at the bold part.. Give Ole this Ajax and Im very sure we wouldn't have more than 4 points in the CL group so far..
 
Foxbatt said:
Of course it's much tougher at Ajax. The crowd at OT are rabbits compared to the one at Ajax as per The managers are concerned. Not only the crowd the media will be on their back saying that they are not playing The Ajax way and all that sort of thing. I mean when The Netherlands played in The WC Final and lost to Spain, they didn't praise them for going to The Final. They bashed them for not playing proper football, The Dutch way.
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This!
 
Foxbatt said:
Of course it's much tougher at Ajax. The crowd at OT are rabbits compared to the one at Ajax as per The managers are concerned. Not only the crowd the media will be on their back saying that they are not playing The Ajax way and all that sort of thing. I mean when The Netherlands played in The WC Final and lost to Spain, they didn't praise them for going to The Final. They bashed them for not playing proper football, The Dutch way.
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They sound just like Real Madrid fans. I love our fans, and I think they are too lenient. Sometimes I wish they were less patient though, but that is some next level shithousery though.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Aye, everyone talks about a rebuild & defend Ole for how long it takes, but this man lost de Ligt, Frenkie, DvB, Dolberg & Ziyech in the time since Ole took over United. That’s half a team gone.
Despite those ridiculously talented departures he’s 3 from 3 in his Champions group & absolutely schooling the likes of Dortmund/Rose.
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Onana out as well. And he has really done it in the space of two years. Crazy.
 
MvG said:
Onana out as well. And he has really done it in the space of two years. Crazy.
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He replaced Onana with 37 year old Pasveer. Pasveer would start over De Gea, if ten Hag had a either or choice imo. And I say that because being good with your feet is equally as important as shot stopping for coaches like ten Hag.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Aye, everyone talks about a rebuild & defend Ole for how long it takes, but this man lost de Ligt, Frenkie, DvB, Dolberg & Ziyech in the time since Ole took over United. That’s half a team gone.
Despite those ridiculously talented departures he’s 3 from 3 in his Champions group & absolutely schooling the likes of Dortmund/Rose.
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Apart from this Schone was a fixed starter in 18/19 and left after that season. Veltman came back from injury in 18/19 and was a fixed starter in 19/20, as were Dest and Promes, which all were sold after that season. We also lost Onana halfway last season.

Since the 18/19 season Rensch Gravenberch and Timber made their debut for Ajax and also for the Dutch national team. Its really a shame Noa Lang didnt really click at Ajax. He is killing it at Club Brugge nowadays and also made his national team debut..

Another thing which I appreciate is that Ten Hag also keeps looking to improve and build further. Neres and Tafliafico were fixed starters and Argentinian and Brazilian internationals (everyone would have expected them to be gone now, they would have if it werent for Covid I reckon), but Ten Hag keeps refreshing. Both of them are on the bench now and replaced by Lisandro Martinez and Antony/Berghuis respectively
 
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mattsville said:
Should be in his ear now, don't know what input Murtough and Fletcher have as DOF but you would like to think they are looking at his performance there proactively and letting him know we are interested, if Ole's tenure continues like it has, highs and lows, we should move on, check ten hag's history, very impressive, everywhere he has coached he has done great things, his team's performance against dortmund was exceptional with inferior players, what could he do with a squad like ours.
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Some posters have been talking about how much the Fletcher/Ole relationship might come into effect here.
 
BrilliantOrange said:
Apart from this Schone was a fixed starter in 18/19 and left after that season. Veltman came back from injury in 18/19 and was a fixed starter in 19/20, as were Dest and Promes, which both were sold after that season. We also lost Onana halfway last season.

Since the 18/19 season Rensch Gravenberch and Timber made their debut for Ajax and also for the Dutch national team. Its really a shame Noa Lang didnt really click at Ajax. He is killing it at Club Brugge nowadays and also made his national team debut..

Another thing which I appreciate is that Ten Hag also keeps looking to improve and build further. Nere and Tafliafico were fixed starters and Argentinian and Brazilian internationals (everyone would have expected them to be gone now, they would have if it werent for Covid I reckon), but Ten Hag keeps refreshing. Both of them are on the bench now and replaced by Lisandro Martinez and Antony/Berghuis respectively
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I like this. One of Fergie's best attributes was to constantly refresh his team.
 
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