Would you take Rodgers at United?

[Moby]

Yeah, that’s an insanely stupid argument from a Manchester United fan. We didn’t deserve to win the CL in ‘99’ on balance of play and only won our last CL trophy because John Terry put his penalty wide.

Or in 68 when Stepney saved a 1v1 from Eusebio.

Kinda feels like a lot of United fans don't really like anything United have ever done.

 

[dove]

He's just highlighting that Rodgers is not good enough. Without being told, Im sure you know he hasn't done anything great to be considered he is good enough for Man United. Unless if you can tell us? I would rather take Poch who at least knows how to finished top 4 with similar or less budget/resources as Rodgers has.

So Rodgers is not good enough which I don't disagree with but then you would take Poch who is probably the best known bottler in the last few years? I don't see how Poch is better than Rodgers. They are both good managers but are a few levels below the best ones out here.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

If by "been in title races" you mean "oversaw and contributed to the most spectacular title implosion in PL history" then sure, chalk that up in his plus column.

As for the FA Cup, I'm not sure how much stock I'd place in him winning that one extra game (Moyes got to an FA Cup final) when people like Mikel Arteta have won it too. If that's the sort of achievement that gets you the United job then standards really are low here.

And Moyes at least got Everton into the CL places, while Rodgers has blown it from poll position with Leicester two years on the bounce. Though seems to have ensured that won't happen a third time by getting Leicester looking like a side who won't be anywhere near a CL place thus far this season. So well done there to Rodgers too, I guess.

You can make plenty of reasonable criticisms of Rodgers so why do you insist on repeatedly making shit up?

He did worse in his second season at Leicester than his first (he didn’t).

Most spectacular title implosion in PL history (it wasn’t; Slippy G happened with just a 3 point lead over City and 3 games left to play)

Can we at least try and stick to facts here?

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Who is also a bit of a bottler.....

A bit is different to massive bottler because Poch finished top 4 with similar budget/resources as Rodgers while Rodgers couldn't. That shows Poch has more potential to do well in here than Rodgers.

 

[Bondi77]

If we are after a Leicester manager than surely we should be talking about Ranieri and not Rodgers

 

[Cassidy]

A bit is different to massive bottler because Poch finished top 4 with similar budget/resources as Rodgers while Rodgers couldn't. That shows Poch has more potential to do well in here than Rodgers.

He had a much better starting point than relegation fighting Leicester.

 

[Dan_F]

Yeah, that’s an insanely stupid argument from a Manchester United fan. We didn’t deserve to win the CL in ‘99’ on balance of play and only won our last CL trophy because John Terry put his penalty wide.

I can see the point. He’s talking about hiring a manager based on the outcome of a cup final. I wouldn’t choose one manager over another because someone missed a penalty, therefore the manager that won has to be better.

What Poch did in the league with Spurs outweighs what Brendan did with Liverpool and Leicester in my opinion. And I’d honestly completely discount his time at Celtic too. I’m sure others will disagree.

 

[largelyworried]

I think Rodgers would do better than Ole, and in that respect its a step upwards. His play is more structured then Ole, he understands how to build play though midfield and he values possession. In terms of his commitment to attack, he's more or less where Ole is, so overall he's better.

I think the problem would be that he also carries some of the same flaws as Ole. Shakey defensively, poor at set pieces, inconsistent, question marks over his ability to deliver in high pressure situations. So while he ticks some boxes, I see nothing to suggest he's going to race to the title.

Obviously the situation with Ole is difficult. With West Ham and Arsenal both in decent form and Liverpool and Chelsea back up to speed, top 4 isnt as easy as it was last season. Is it better to go with with Rodgers now if it gets us top 4 but be stuck with him beyond? Or stick with Ole, write off this season, risk missing out on top 4 and have to try and find a manager and build a team without the attraction of CL football next season? Grim choice.

 

[Real Name]

What Poch did in the league with Spurs outweighs what Brendan did with Liverpool and Leicester in my opinion. And I’d honestly completely discount his time at Celtic too. I’m sure others will disagree.

How come?
I kind of understand the Celtic part but I wouldnt discount it completely, its a weak league but its still a success what he did.
I dont see anything Poch did in the league as anything special. He was 3rd in a 2 team battle for the league and even then there wasnt any battle to begin with.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I can see the point. He’s talking about hiring a manager based on the outcome of a cup final. I wouldn’t choose one manager over another because someone missed a penalty, therefore the manager that won has to be better.

What Poch did in the league with Spurs outweighs what Brendan did with Liverpool and Leicester in my opinion. And I’d honestly completely discount his time at Celtic too. I’m sure others will disagree.

I generally don’t put too much stock in cup competitions but trophies are important pieces of evidence when a manager has a reputation as a bottler. I’d probably take Poch too but his lack of any trophies at all is a bit of a worry.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

He had a much better starting point than relegation fighting Leicester.

Spurs finished 9th in 12/13 before Poch took in charged while Leicester finished 9th in 17/18 before Rodgers took in charged in mid 18/19 season. How is that better starting point?

 

[Cassidy]

Spurs finished 9th in 12/13 before Poch took in charged while Leicester finished 9th in 17/18 before Rodgers took in charged in mid 18/19 season. How is that better starting point?

The Spurs squad was better thats why, they were regularly in Europe prior to that.

 

[sullydnl]

The only reason Rodgers did not win the league with Liverpool and deliver their first title in so many years was because Gerrard fell over on his ugly face.

That can hardly be out down to Rodgers bottling it.

People saying he is poor because he came so close to securing a top four door for Leicester. Leicester ?

He is clearly several steps above Ole and is very highly thought of from people who have worked with him
.

Not really. They also struggled with basic defending throughout that season, with 7 teams conceding fewer goals than them and another 3 being within one goal conceded of them. With City having the 2nd best defence in the league that season, that's what costs you titles. There's a reason they ended up desperately trying to improve their goal difference at that late stage of the season despite having scored so many goals.

If Rodgers' consistent struggles to coach his defence to a high level hadn't been present throughout the season then they might have won the league that year. Gerrard's slip was the spectacular implosion point set-up by their consistently sub-par defending.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

The Spurs squad was better thats why, they were regularly in Europe prior to that.

They sold their key players though Modric and Bale. And he was left with deadwoods.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

So Rodgers is not good enough which I don't disagree with but then you would take Poch who is probably the best known bottler in the last few years? I don't see how Poch is better than Rodgers. They are both good managers but are a few levels below the best ones out here.

What do you mean you don't see it? I just told you Poch finished top 4 with similar or less budget/resources as Rodgers has. Is Poch good enough for Man United, could be not but I would rather take someone who can finish top 4 and above Wenger, LVG or Mourinho than someone who couldn't finish above Lampard and Ole because that's just not good enough for Man United.

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

2019/20 : 29 Matches 53 Points, 38 Matches 62 Points - 9 Points from 9 matches(3rd to 5th) - Ole(from 8 points down) and Lampard(from 5 Points down) beat him in the race
2020/21 : 29 Matches 56 Points, 38 Matches 66 Points - 10 Points from 9 matches(3rd to 5th) - Tuchell(from 5 points down) and Klopp(from 10 Points down) beat him in the race
Right now, they are 15 Points from 11 matches and they are getting no where. This is the manager some of the United fans eagerly expecting to be next manager.

That is by far the biggest argument AGAINST hiring him. If one thinks that Ole chokes when it matters in a high-stakes match, Rodgers looks even worse with the way his Leicester team have crashed TWICE and now are in a downward spiral.

 

[sullydnl]

You can make plenty of reasonable criticisms of Rodgers so why do you insist on repeatedly making shit up?

He did worse in his second season at Leicester than his first (he didn’t).

Most spectacular title implosion in PL history (it wasn’t; Slippy G happened with just a 3 point lead over City and 3 games left to play)

Can we at least try and stick to facts here?

I didn't say he did worse in his second full season than his first. I said their league performances were worse in his second full season than his first. Unless you think comparing points totals between seasons is the best way of measuring relative performance levels between seasons, which it isn't. In terms of actual performance measures they were worse in the league last year than the year before. Less likely to score goals, more likely to concede goals, etc.

And I said that Liverpool title collapse was the most spectacular. Not the biggest or the earliest.

 

[golden_blunder]

So Rodgers is not good enough which I don't disagree with but then you would take Poch who is probably the best known bottler in the last few years? I don't see how Poch is better than Rodgers. They are both good managers but are a few levels below the best ones out here.

Personally I dislike both options. Poch has his own little following here but he’s not better than Rodgers who has at least win an FA cup

 

[SATA]

Rodgers actually won an FA Cup proper. What did Ole and Poch win?

 

[Ixion]

That is by far the biggest argument AGAINST hiring him. If one thinks that Ole chokes when it matters in a high-stakes match, Rodgers looks even worse with the way his Leicester team have crashed TWICE and now are in a downward spiral.

But the teams that overtook them are United, Chelsea, Liverpool. The budgets, wages, resources etc are not comparable. Over the course of a season bigger, stronger squads make a difference. It's like if Moyes' West Ham fall away this season it doesn't mean he's bottled it.

 

[golden_blunder]

If it does happen, can he bring Schmeichel and Tielemens with him please

 

[andersj]

Yeah, that’s an insanely stupid argument from a Manchester United fan. We didn’t deserve to win the CL in ‘99’ on balance of play and only won our last CL trophy because John Terry put his penalty wide.

I agree. That is a stupid argument. Just like saying «he was only Gerrard slipping away from winning the PL» is a silly argument to use in his favor.

Fact is, he had a great chance of winning that year, and he failed to take it mainly due to conceding 50 goals that season. Just like he failed to take the great opportunity that was the two previous seasons to make top four.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Rodgers actually won an FA Cup proper. What did Ole and Poch win?

Let's hire Roberto Martinez then, he won FA Cup. Arteta also won FA Cup. Why not hire LVG again? We are aiming for the league and UCL mate. Managing your team in the league and UCL is totally different level and method than winning FA Cup. Rodgers hasn't shown any sign that he is good enough to take us where we want in the league and UCL.

 

[RkkMan]

Not really. They also struggled with basic defending throughout that season, with 7 teams conceding fewer goals than them and another 3 being within one goal conceded of them. With City having the 2nd best defence in the league that season, that's what costs you titles. There's a reason they ended up desperately trying to improve their goal difference at that late stage of the season despite having scored so many goals.

If Rodgers' consistent struggles to coach his defence to a high level hadn't been present throughout the season then they might have won the league that year. Gerrard's slip was the spectacular implosion point set-up by their consistently sub-par defending.

Liverpool's back 5 that season was Mignolet, Flanagan, Skrtel, Sakho and Glen Johnson. Kolo Toure and some bloke I remember called Aly Sissokho were his "back ups"
A defence like that has no business being in a title race. Fact that Rodgers managed to hit 101 goals with a backline that weak isn't something to discard

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I didn't say he did worse in his second full season than his first. I said their league performances were worse in his second full season than his first. Unless you think comparing points totals between seasons is the best way of measuring relative performance levels between seasons, which it isn't. In terms of actual performance measures they were worse in the league last year than the year before. Less likely to score goals, more likely to concede goals, etc.

And I said that Liverpool title collapse was the most spectacular. Not the biggest or the earliest.

I know we’re all trying to wipe Aguerrrrrooooo from our memory but come on…

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Liverpool's back 5 that season was Mignolet, Flanagan, Skrtel, Sakho and Glen Johnson. Kolo Toure and some bloke I remember called Aly Sissokho were his "back ups"
A defence like that has no business being in a title race. Fact that Rodgers managed to hit 101 goals with a backline that weak isn't something to discard

Exactly.

He’s going through the same shit at Leicester. A squad with no depth at all, who falls away dramatically when key players get injured.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

If it does happen, can he bring Schmeichel and Tielemens with him please

Fofana too.

 

[RkkMan]

Let's hire Roberto Martinez then, he won FA Cup. Arteta also won FA Cup. Why not hire LVG again? We are aiming for the league and UCL mate. Managing your team in the league and UCL is totally different level and method than winning FA Cup. Rodgers hasn't shown any sign that he is good enough to take us where we want in the league and UCL.

Well Rodgers actually has a solid record in the PL being in a title race and having Leicester performing around their level unlike Martinez who's only been in relegation battles. Sancho alone cost more money than all of Leicester's last summer signings combined the difference in resources Rodgers has compared to the top 4 isn't comparable and he's still done a solid job only topped by Ranieri 5 years ago and it was one of those once in a century miracles. He's ready for a crack at a top job again in my opinion there isn't anything else he can achieve with Leicester

 

[Laurencio]

If it does happen, can he bring Schmeichel and Tielemens with him please

Ndidi would be nice too.

 

[Mainoldo]

Exactly.

He’s going through the same shit at Leicester. A squad with no depth at all, who falls away dramatically when key players get injured.

Imagine what he can do with this all star line.

Let’s hope it happens soon. We might win silver ware this season. Would be nice Aye.

 

[sullydnl]

I know we’re all trying to wipe Aguerrrrrooooo from our memory but come on…

In terms of an actual collapse was that really as much of a spectacle as the back to back Gerrard-slip and Palace implosion games? It was a horribly memorable title win sure but the focus was more on the winner in that case whereas with Liverpool I definitely remember them fecking it up more than whatever City did to win it.

 

[andersj]

Personally I dislike both options. Poch has his own little following here but he’s not better than Rodgers who has at least win an FA cup

He is a much better coach than Rodgers. Probably not at Conte/Pep/Klopp-level, but Spurs was a very well coached side. They was well organized and he took several of their players from looking average/poor to top 4-material. Imagine Spurs being regular in top 4 and making a CL-final!

I would probably argue that it is easier being at Leicester too as they recruit very well. Spurs generally dont.

Rodgers was a good coach in 2014. The benchmark then was Pellegrini, Mourinho, Wenger and Moyes. Other teams had Allardyce, Laudrup, Hughes, di Canio, Steven Clarke, Hughton, Pardew, Jol, Holloway, Mackay and Lambert. The benchmark today is Klopp, Conte, Pep, Tuchel. Midtable teams employ Bielsa, Hassenhuttl, Moyes, Benitez etc.

 

[Real Name]

Personally I dislike both options. Poch has his own little following here but he’s not better than Rodgers who has at least win an FA cup

I really dont get the hype over Poch.

 

[Pughnichi]

Have no issue with him.
Clearly something about him when at Swansea
Turned Liverpool into title challengers after so many false dawns for them.
celtic <meh>
done a good job keeping Leicester relevant

and if it means Tielemans follows….happy days

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

Rodgers is better than Ole so the real worry is he will always do enough to stay with in distance of the title without ever actually threatening to win it. And with this board this means a job for life. So no thanks.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

In terms of an actual collapse was that really as much of a spectacle as the back to back Gerrard-slip and Palace implosion games? It was a horribly memorable title win sure but the focus was more on the winner in that case whereas with Liverpool I definitely remember them fecking it up more than whatever City did to win it.

Liverpool never threw away a lead anything as big as we did. It was nip and tuck between them and City all season. Being 3 points ahead with 3 games left felt like a big advantage but really wasn’t, in the grand scheme of things. The collapse against Palace was bad but was it any worse than us losing to Wigan and that awful 4-4 draw against Everton?

Or how about 97/98? We were 11 points clear with 9 games left to play. Or Newcastle’s meltdown under Keegan?

I think you’re confusing most spectacular with most enjoyable!

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Rodgers is better than Ole so the real worry is he will always do enough to stay with in distance of the title without ever actually threatening to win it. And with this board this means a job for life. So no thanks.

Quite honestly, until this season, the quality of Leicester's squad was not far off from United's and yet Ole finished ahead of him. Brendan does have the FA cup but a couple of meltdowns from the top 4 when it looked comfortably in the bag. Moreover, he was working with a Leicester management and ownership that is far better organized than the clown show we have going on in the background. He might be better but the margin isn't that big.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Well Rodgers actually has a solid record in the PL being in a title race and having Leicester performing around their level unlike Martinez who's only been in relegation battles. Sancho alone cost more money than all of Leicester's last summer signings combined the difference in resources Rodgers has compared to the top 4 isn't comparable and he's still done a solid job only topped by Ranieri 5 years ago and it was one of those once in a century miracles. He's ready for a crack at a top job again in my opinion there isn't anything else he can achieve with Leicester

No one say Rodgers hasn't done solid or hasn't done good for Leicester. He has done solid and good for Leicester but good for Leicester is not enough. You need more than good to take Man United to where we want.

In summary, he bottled against lesser managers as he couldn't do it at Liverpool when City had Pellegrini, he bottled massive leads at Leicester for top 4 race against Ole and Lampard, and nothing convincing that he can do something special in UCL. That's already shows he won't be able to take us to where we want in UCL and PL because he's going to compete with the likes of Pep, Klopp, and Tuchel. Two of those managers have owners that can outsource us as well. If this world only have Dyche and Rodgers as manager then I will take Rodgers but in reality there are better managers out there who have ''better potential than him'' to take us where we want in UCL and the league.

 

[Bestietom]

We need a top manager (Winner) to compete with Liverpool, City and Chelsea.
I think we missed out on Conte, but that seems to be the way it is at this club now. Not having proper football men on management board, has a lot to do with these appointments.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He is a much better coach than Rodgers. Probably not at Conte/Pep/Klopp-level, but Spurs was a very well coached side. They was well organized and he took several of their players from looking average/poor to top 4-material. Imagine Spurs being regular in top 4 and making a CL-final!

I would probably argue that it is easier being at Leicester too as they recruit very well. Spurs generally dont.

Rodgers was a good coach in 2014. The benchmark then was Pellegrini, Mourinho, Wenger and Moyes. Other teams had Allardyce, Laudrup, Hughes, di Canio, Steven Clarke, Hughton, Pardew, Jol, Holloway, Mackay and Lambert. The benchmark today is Klopp, Conte, Pep, Tuchel. Midtable teams employ Bielsa, Hassenhuttl, Moyes, Benitez etc.

Yeah, why would we want the hire a manager whose teams have recruited well? We should go for the manager who signs duds instead.