Moyes made a lot of mistakes from the start. At least Potter will get the players playing properly. Yes, there will be egos, but as long as he’s given some time and room a few of his own players through (possibly through the academy). Anything is an improvement from Ole.
Would you take Graham Potter at United?
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I still think its a jump too big for him at this stage.
Mind you I'd take him over Poch or Brendon.
Mind you I'd take him over Poch or Brendon.
Its a risky appointment but i can see the logic in it all the same. I'm not sure theres an obvious middle step. I'd take him over both of them too.
Tbh I wouldn't mind a risky albeit exciting appointment. It would be the next logical recruitment strategy for us after our previous approaches haven't worked. Ideally I'd want Ten Hag as the first choice since I do believe he's ready to step up to a bigger club, but wouldn't be against the idea of Potter if that fails.
Sadly the board are (badly) risk averse, so will probably be waiting on Rodgers or Poch.
I am willing to try almost anyone that people in/around football are rating as up and coming managers with potential.
I mostly see him as a back up to Ten Hag too. Rodgers and Poch will have us bouncing around the top 4 and feck all else for years, they're such an us appointment in the worst way
Potter cant be any worse than the last 4 managers, but could be a lot better.
Utd took a risk with Ole. Just because the trophy cupboard is empty, doesnt mean every inexperienced manager at the top level is going to fail.
Every manager is inexperienced at the top level at some point.
The board could offer him a 2 year contract and see how he goes. They also need to back him in the transfer market of course.
Utd took a risk with Ole. Just because the trophy cupboard is empty, doesnt mean every inexperienced manager at the top level is going to fail.
Every manager is inexperienced at the top level at some point.
The board could offer him a 2 year contract and see how he goes. They also need to back him in the transfer market of course.
Compred to Ole, yes. He has a trophy and you can see a style of play developing there. Hes spent a fraction of our manager and not frightened to play the kids either.
This shit on backing on the transfer market hopefully dies whoever is the manager. His job, first and foremost, is to coach and improve the players, not play football manager on signing new players.
We have a squad that is ready to compete. We might need a player here and there, but the manager should be up to the task of immediately improving us.
Same. For me the wishlist for our next manager is
1. Ten Haag
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1000. FSW
Y'all never learn from the past
Why would you ever when you have Ten Hag doing the same thing at a much higher level already.
United are more than happy to blow other clubs out of the water with transfer targets and need to treat the next manager this way if they believe Ten Hag is the way to go. Ajax won’t turn down big compensation.
United are more than happy to blow other clubs out of the water with transfer targets and need to treat the next manager this way if they believe Ten Hag is the way to go. Ajax won’t turn down big compensation.
Really? I thought Arteta/Arsenal have spent a fortune since Arteta took charge? I don't doubt he's spent less than Ole (in the same period of time), but I think they're a lot closer than "a fraction".
Only this summer, before this summer Arteta had spent around 65m.
Alright. He's spent a fraction if we don't count the 160m+ spent this summer.
It's about half of what Ole spent
Well it depends what you mean by "a lot closer", it's about half.
14 pages long . Wow . That is all .
I’d give Potter an 18 month deal right now. If he smashes it out of the park for the remainder of the season then great. If not then go for Ten Hag in the summer when he’s more likely to be available.
Not sure I follow the logic here.
The arguments in favor of Potter are based on him overachieving relative to his club's resources - that's exactly what those two have been doing too. People like to laugh at Rodgers "bottling it" by not getting Leicester into the CL, but it's worth pointing out that their wage budget is miles below at least five or six teams in the league. Same goes for Pochettino, who 1) kept Spurs in the top four for 4 seasons on the trot, 2) took them to a CL final, and 3) got them to 2nd with an 86-point league finish (as many as City got while winning the title last season) all while United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal were massively outspending them.
Yeah, your squad is definitely a Prem squad. Weaknesses in lots of areas but 2 quality wing backs, some nice attackers though no 20 goal type, Dunk is very good when he's not in a race, Webster is solid, Sanchez looks to be a Champions league level keeper, Bissouma another top 4 quality player. The classic line about Brighton being a quality striker away from finishing around 8-10th is probably right.
Gross is a fine creator of chances I just think to be an every week Prem midfielder he probably has to be the most advanced midfielder. The rest of his game doesn't really stick out.
We've hired Potter before?
Probably same for me. Ten Hag was never first, probably like 4th or so. But Conte (gone) Zidane (won’t happen) Luis Enrique (won’t happen) so it’s back to Ten Hag first. And I’m not convinced by him totally at all
We have hired moyes who had won nothing. With a far superior managerial pedigree. Remember how that turned out?
Heck most of y'all curse day and night about having 'a molde manager'. Now you desire one from Brighton?
Did you miss the post after? It's about 400m to 200m. I was pointing out why Arteta has spent so much less despite it seeming like he has spent a lot, it's because he's only spent this summer.
We haven't hired a head coach like Potter before, who has shown the ability to implement a style of play that places a emphasis on slick possession play and is in tune with the modern game. The likes of Moyes and Solskjaer have never shown the ability to implement a proactive brand of football at the highest level. People on this forum are too wrapped up in formations imo and completely over look the style of play/ approach which is far more important than a formation when it comes to implementing a plan, both on and off the ball.
I think Potter is a disaster of an idea but the argument that we have tried that before is illogical. The same argument of not wanting Conte because he is too much like Mourinho. If we continue on this path there will be no one left.
Oh wait we refused to sign Poch, Tuchel, Conte when they were free and Zidane doesnt want to come so really there is no one left. Carry on.
Oh wait we refused to sign Poch, Tuchel, Conte when they were free and Zidane doesnt want to come so really there is no one left. Carry on.
Jose and LVG had won plenty, how did they turn out?
Well maybe because he has had 1 transfer window less?
Ole has had 3 summers to spend and Arteta 2.
Ole got top 4 after his spending. Arteta didn't even get Europe.
This ties into my above point, he's only spent this summer.
He won a trophy Ole hasn't. If they were both sacked today in 10 years time the record books would show Arteta spent 200 mill+ and won the FA cup, Ole spent 400 mill+ and won nothing. Arteta would have to spend over 200 mill in one window and Ole nothing to catch up and still be a trophy in front There is no comparison
Let me tell you something. Even if Ole had won the Europa or FA cup, it would change nothing about him being a manager.
Winning a FA cup doesn't make you a superior manager.
it is clear Ole is not good enough, the football we play is evidence of that.
If trophies are a thing then we should hire Di Matteo cause he won the CL right?
What are you trying to argue?
You quoted the guy saying Ole got top 4 after spending and Arteta didn't (a point that doesn't make much sense), he then replied saying Arteta has spent less and has won a trophy, and you've replied with this. I don't understand what your point is.
It's not the fact that he was the Molde manager that is the issue. At least with Potter there is tangible evidence that he can coach, organise and tactically influence a team.
Barca hired Pep with no managerial pedigree, Juve hired Conte..etc etc etc. It's a nothing argument. I'm not saying Potter will be on their level, but I can't say that he won't. I'd say he has a chance of making a name for himself based on his time at Brighton. But not every manager has to prove themselves at a "stepping stone" club before being given a chance.
It's called mental gymnastics. Ole In lot have got it down to a tee these days.
Good point. His is the most foolish way of looking at things.
I was saying the record books would show Arteta has won something spending half the money.
Do I want Arteta here? No. Do I want Ole to carry on? No.
Could Arteta be an elite manager? Who knows, but you cant say no as he has just started. Will Ole ever be an elite manager? No. He has managed for about 10 years and hasnt shown it at all.
Managers are graded on what they win over their career. Would we have kept Fergie on after 1990 if he hadnt won the FA cup? Would we have given him another 3 years? No one knows, but he had the ECWC besides his Scottish trophies to drop back on.
Usually if you have spent a fortune at a big club and still won nothing after 3 years with no big trophies to back your managerial abilities up, you usually you get the sack.
Finally under this board Di Matteo would have got a 3 year contract here if he had won the CL. This club is run as a money making machine not a football club.
I agree on the club part. I mean at a elite club, which we as fans think we are, no manager should be in charge after going 3 years without a challenge or trophy.
We can talk about Ole, Jose, LVG or anyone, the bottom line is the owners, the structure is not good enough.
As long as business is good, that is all that matters. A new manager might change short term fortunes but I can't see us winning the league unless we have someone on the board who is a footballing man.
Unfortunately, the board and fans have 2 different agendas. We want to win big trophies, they want big dividends.
Yes we are stuck unfortunately as it stands. My only hope is when Woodward goes and Murtough has him off his back, things might change. Lets hope eh?
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