Would you take Conte at United?

[Mercurial]

No no no. Finally rid of the drama. And he will leave with a bunch of dross players that only he can get something out of.

This made me chuckle. What a legacy to have. Herder of Dross.

 

[izak]

Yes I'll take him in a heart beat, but only in a contract of 18 months, Sacking Ole now and getting him in is a no brainer.

 

[E-mal]

Mancini hasn’t won a domestic title since 2012. He has managed Galatasary and Zenit St Petersburg since then.

Oh well, he has mostly being in charge of Italy.
My point though is that we need to start having an identity as a football club. Conte is way too negative for me.

 

[Adnan]

Squad is a major issue. He is a big fan of 352 and we just don't have it with us. Lot of players for that 2 position as well.

Ten Hag or Zidane would be my choice. Hassenhuttl, Potter, Enrique would also be good.

Ten Hag is the standout candidate for me and is a brilliant coach who implements a progressive brand of football with a team of not only older players but also younger players, who he has helped develop.

We're a team ready to win now and I also believe we as a club should not only look at the now but the future too, if/when looking at appointing a head coach. And with the money that has been spent to improve the structure at the club which has also seen us spend a considerable amount on youth players. I'd honestly much prefer the likes of Hannibal, Shoretire, Isak Hansen, Mainoo, Kambwala etc, to develop under Ten Hag than Conte.

I also understand there's no guarantees in football, but for me, our club should go for Ten Hag who imo ticks all the boxes as a up and coming coach who is ready for the next step in his career. I also like a few of the other names you've mentioned and think they could do a good job at a bigger club with bigger finances.

 

[bond19821982]

As @JPRouve pointed out — he also successfully played a 4-3-3 and 4312 at Juventus.

Fair point, but that was also 8 years back. He started with 4 at the back with Chelsea and failed. Again, I would love to have someone as good as Conte come in and make us competitive. But I just don't want another rebuilding to suit the new manager.

 

[elmo]

Oh well, he has mostly being in charge of Italy.
My point though is that we need to start having an identity as a football club. Conte is way too negative for me.

He won't be as negative as Ole to play 2 dms against relegation standard clubs.

 

[bond19821982]

So why we are not coach but Conte is. Wing backs not always to defend in some systems full backs itself because Liverpool fullbacks rarely defend well but midfield give them the protection. You wanted your team to win you need to Create competition for every one for spots.

Nobody said Moses or Alonso defend well either. But he worked it out and won league and fa cup with them too. Now you are saying your squad not fit. May be Conte has other ideas.

Sorry mate Moses or Alonso were never pure attacking players either. Rashford is a forward , a left forward who is a nightmare to the defenders. Why would you play him away from that ? Wingback will have to defend else there will be space behind them to exploit or it could drag the CBs out . If you are talking about 343 , I agree but then Bruno will miss out and he has been our best player.

 

[bond19821982]

He’s a world class manager. He’d utilise a system to get the best out of the players we have. A 352 with Pogba & Bruno in front of Matic could work. With CR7 & Rashford up front. We’d have the extra protection of another centre back. He also utilised a 3-4-3 at Chelsea. He’s played with 4 at the back numerous times anyway.

A 3412 or 343 might work with him I guess. Rashford ,Ronaldo, Sancho, Bruno, Cavani, Mason for 3 positions and everyone can rotate. We would still a right back who can own the right

 

[bond19821982]

Ten Hag is the standout candidate for me and is a brilliant coach who implements a progressive brand of football with a team of not only older players but also younger players, who he has helped develop.

We're a team ready to win now and I also believe we as a club should not only look at the now but the future too, if/when looking at appointing a head coach. And with the money that has been spent to improve the structure at the club which has also seen us spend a considerable amount on youth players. I'd honestly much prefer the likes of Hannibal, Shoretire, Isak Hansen, Mainoo, Kambwala etc, to develop under Ten Hag than Conte.

I also understand there's no guarantees in football, but for me, our club should go for Ten Hag who imo ticks all the boxes as a up and coming coach who is ready for the next step in his career. I also like a few of the other names you've mentioned and think they could do a good job at a bigger club with bigger finances.

Yes, agree. He has also played a narrow 4231 with Ajax which almost suits us perfectly. Being Dutch , he might still need a playmaker in the defensive two, but he has something we can start on.

 

[Pep's Suit]

That's true. I'd just rather we appointed a more innovative manager who can bring new ideas to the table.

That was Nagelsmann and only Nagelsmann, I think. Rose or Favre or Marsch were highly rated by "hipsters" but none of them showed they can actually coach a big team full of egos which should challenge for PL+CL. Now you have Everton-failures managing Barca and Real, Atleti paying Simeone 25M to play absolutely shocking football, Chelsea and PSG and Juve led by guys who are quite often defensive and negative in their approach.

 

[Sir Marcus]

feck no.

 

[Demaw]

Definitely not Conte, we need a guy who is fresh with new ideas. Ole just doesn't have the experience so not sure who we can sign to be honest.

 

[The Brown Bull]

No but that said he would be an improvement.
I believe Kloop was the man we should have got .

 

[Devil may care]

I remember many discussions on here about people wanting us to appoint a coach who understood the demands of the modern game and implemented a progressive style. And to then turn around and appoint Conte would be a bad move that would lack foresight imo.

We need to pick a manager who first and foremost fits with the squad we have as this is the best squad we've had in a decade, any manager who will need another 5 players to implement his system is a bad idea.

 

[Adnan]

Yes, agree. He has also played a narrow 4231 with Ajax which almost suits us perfectly. Being Dutch , he might still need a playmaker in the defensive two, but he has something we can start on.

The formation for him won't be the issue because the most important thing for him is the implementation of his preferred style of play. The 343/433 formations are normally preferred due to the rondos potential the formations in the build up phase create. But you're correct, he does use a 4231, but it's very different to how we've used the personnel in the same formation because his approach is very different.

He's a coach like Guardiola and Tuchel in some ways and has a similar concept (Juego de Pocision) to coaching the game where they to look exert zone dominancy via possession and a strong positional game.

 

[KingCavani]

Only our fanbase would stick their nose up at the best manager in football. Maybe Barcelona’s too. Arrogance beyond belief.

 

[Lentwood]

Definitely not. For managers like Conte, it's all about them. They might come in and have some short-term success, but their concern is solely and narrowly about winning the very next football match. They suit clubs like Chelsea
Loads of cash, experienced squad, high-turnover of players and managers.

That might sound good to some posters, but it isn't sustainable long-term and isn't suited to building a team capable of dominating for 10 years.

Personally, if I am going to get on-board with replacing Ole, there needs to be someone available who shares the same overall philosophy but is a superior manager/head coach. Klopp pre-Liverpool or Pep pre-City would have been ideal. There must be "the next Klopp" or "the next Pep" out there?

 

[Lebo]

Only our fanbase would stick their nose up at the best manager in football. Maybe Barcelona’s too. Arrogance beyond belief.

it’s not arrogance. I don’t want to sleep through the whole season just for the possibility of contesting for the title. My last straw with defensive managers was when we packed a buss against Tottenham.

 

[Rash Decision]

With Conte we'd play on the counter against the the likes of Guardiola which I want us to get away from and bring in a coach who attempts to exert control over the opposition. His record in the CL is also pretty poor imo and no way is he on the same level as Guardiola and Klopp who have both been succesful domestically and in Europe whilst playing a proactive brand of football.

And to answer someone else's query about Conte leaving his previous clubs in a state, isn't true because at Juve and Inter he had Beppe Marotta which helped Allegri and now Inzaghi, because Marotta is the one overseeing things.

I’m not particularly sold on Conte but in your opinion how many coaches would be able to go toe to toe with a Pep team? Even Tuchel’s Chelsea got utterly dominated from the parts I watched.

Some Chelsea fans did point out to me that Conte teams are poor against the press though, which is worrying.

Edit: a word

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

No that wasn’t my point, my point was who.

Names like Conte and Zidane don’t exactly excite us and with good reason, good manager though Conte is. They aren’t the right fit.

If people demand he leave I feel they should have a name in mind as a replacement, otherwise I don’t think they’ve come to the decision rationally.

Theres a thread that has been filled with nothing but replacements

 

[Pintu]

Is he good in Europe? So far, no. That is his biggest weakness.

With Conte we'd play on the counter against the the likes of Guardiola which I want us to get away from and bring in a coach who attempts to exert control over the opposition. His record in the CL is also pretty poor imo and no way is he on the same level as Guardiola and Klopp who have both been succesful domestically and in Europe whilst playing a proactive brand of football.

And to answer someone else's query about Conte leaving his previous clubs in a state, isn't true because at Juve and Inter he had Beppe Marotta which helped Allegri and now Inzaghi, because Marotta is the one overseeing things.

Poor European record. But still he took Juve to the quarter-finals of the Champions League for the first time in 10 years, beating European champions Chelsea 3-0 along the way.

With Chelsea, he couldn't beat Messi's Barça, but at least he got out of the group leaving Atletico in third place. He has underperformed in the CL, but it is not like he was given squads used to success in Europe and failed to deliver. Much to the contrary, he's so far only taken teams in big crisis and brought them immediate domestic success with sometimes some European progress.

 

[Adnan]

We need to pick a manager who first and foremost fits with the squad we have as this is the best squad we've had in a decade, any manager who will need another 5 players to implement his system is a bad idea.

I think a coach with a progressive mindset would do just fine. I could personally see someone like Ten Hag bringing Hannibal and Ethan Laird into the team and also targeting Frenkie de Jong from Barca. But I think his biggest challenge would be how he adapts to Bruno or how he looks to adapt Bruno's game to be positionally stronger both on and off the ball with the added discipline which I feel would improve his use of the ball in possession which has the potential to improve upon Bruno's unnecessary possession losses.

 

[Lucky *7*]

I think Conte is too defensive for United. Plus he's got the sack a few times

I think there are better managers out there.

I'd rather have Zidane but don't want either. We need more experience manager if Ole goes

someone mentioned Carlos Quieroz to me.. apparently he's out of work. Not saying him
But someone experienced like that. Ancelloti?

I think some people genuinely want United to get beat by Villarreal and Everton as they think we will get a new manager in the international break..

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

1) He doesn’t only play 3-5-2. In Juve’s first two seasons he played 4-2-4 for example. But even 3-5-2 probably suits us. Lindelof, Varane and Maguire are all comfortable with the ball, Dalot and Shaw as wing backs. One of McFred, Pogba and Bruno in midfield, with Ronaldo and Rashford up front. Cavani and Greenwood to backup them, with Sancho to backup Bruno. Nothing wrong with this formation.

2) He is a drama Queen but not with players and fans. His problems have always been with the owners, but even when he went into meltdown mode, his team was fully behind him and in case of Inter, won the title.

3) I do not think he is great at transfers.

4) I do not think that he cares much about integrating young players in the team. But then, neither does Ole (only Greenwood from our academy in 3 years).

Other questions:

Does he know how to win titles: Won the league with Juve (they had not won a title for 5 years before him), Chelsea and Inter.

Does he leave strong squads when he is off? Juve went to win the league another 5 times in a row after he left, Chelsea won FA Cup and UCL within 3 seasons despite sabotaging themselves with Lampard for 1.5 seasons, and Inter look strong currently.

Is he good in Europe? So far, no. That is his biggest weakness.

Does he play attractive football? Not particularly but far better than Ole.

Thanks mate. I'm definitely concerned about his transfers. And every transfer window we never get everything we need which will definitely cause drama with Conte

 

[Escobar]

Conte, no. Zidane, yes. Nagelsmann would be great imo but obviously not available anymore

 

[Flytan]

Yes assuming it's not like a 3 year deal. He should be hired today to replace Ole and see what he does this season. I agree I'd rather play more expansive football, but his "parking the bus" stigma is so worse than Tuchel. It's just exaggerated. he wins everywhere, something the fanbase and club needs.

 

[croadyman]

Only if he didn't rip up the squad and play that defensive brand of football many talk about, safe to say there is a lot of Ole FC in this thread by looking at the No percentage

 

[RUCK4444]

You're a delusional fanboy, please start thinking rationally before trying to have a go at me. If you can't read, learn how to read and comprehend.

Other posters have given enough possible candidates, I'm not going back and forth with you and your delusions, because you sound like a broken record.

I’m incapable of reading and I’m a fanboy because you still haven’t given an answer?

I’m not picking on you by the way, your just one of many sheep that tell everybody what needs to be done without suggesting anything remotely interesting as a solution or adding anything creatively other than ‘sack the manager, there’s loads of better managers but I won’t pick one.’

 

[stevoc]

Nice imagination, I'm sure you talked with Conte about it and he told you how he will want to sell and buy 22 players.

Wouldn't need a conversation with him to know the current United squad isn't set-up to play 352 Conte prefers or variations of that formation. It would be LVG Circa 2014 Mk2. No thanks.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Mancini hasn’t won a domestic title since 2012. He has managed Galatasary and Zenit St Petersburg since then.

He would be LvG 2.0. If we're changing managers then we need to get one with his best years ahead of him.

 

[DoomSlayer]

I’m incapable of reading and I’m a fanboy because you still haven’t given an answer?

I’m not picking on you by the way, your just one of many sheep that tell everybody what needs to be done without suggesting anything remotely interesting as a solution or adding anything creatively other than ‘sack the manager, there’s loads of better managers but I won’t pick one.’

Mate, you are recycling the same phrases over and over again, I'm 100% certain you do it on purpose. There is no genuine discussion we would have when you are asking me disingenuous questions, when the answers have been given. I've even given you 2 examples already and you just dismissed it, trying to further belittle my suggestions.

Your type of posts are dragging down the level of debate and you make it seem personal, so don't try to tell me you're not "picking" on me.

 

[Adnan]

I’m not particularly sold on Conte but in your opinion how many coaches would be able to go toe to toe with a Pep team? Even Tuchel’s Chelsea got utterly dominated from the parts I watched.

Some Chelsea fans did point out to me that Conte teams are poor against the press though, which is worrying.

Edit: a word

I have no doubt that if given the same resources, the likes of Ten Hag, Marco Rose, Adi Hutter etc would go toe to toe with the likes of Guardiola. Also you have to remember that Tuchel has barely been Chelsea head coach and I don't think he's been at the club a year yet? So it takes a while to develop synergy/cohesion to go toe to toe with a coach like Guardiola who not only has state backing but also has the advantage of being in his current club for several years, which is a advantage imo.

I personally don't look at the CV/resume as being the only thing which is important when looking to bring in a head coach. For me the ideology of the man is also very important and shouldn't be overlooked like we've done in the past with decorated managers like Mourinho who are known to play a reactive brand of football.

Conte only last season was eliminated from a UCL group (and finished bottom) which contained a bang average Gladbach team who were coached by Marco Rose.

I think from what i've seen of Conte and Zidane, they would both struggle against high pressing teams without having the stronger cast imo. Unlike the new breed of coaches, neither manager is strong at implementing a strong positional game whilst throwing players forward in attack, so for me it's easy to see why they resort to playing more pragmatic against top quality teams. And tbf to Zidane, he doesn't claim to be a great coach and is best known for his man management skills.

 

[Kent Devil]

I'm 50/50 over Conte replacing Ole. On one hand he has won trophies at Chelsea and Inter so I'd fancy our chances of winning something under him more than I do with Ole. On the other hand his style of play is just not The United Way plus I'm not so sure I want yet another Chelsea cast off.

 

[KingCavani]

it’s not arrogance. I don’t want to sleep through the whole season just for the possibility of contesting for the title. My last straw with defensive managers was when we packed a buss against Tottenham.

Inter scored 89 league goals last season.

Absolutely ludicrous criticism and clearly not someone who’s watched Conte’s teams regularly.

Conte’s first season at Juventus they scored 11 more league goals than the previous season.

Conte’s first season at Chelsea they scored 26 more league goals than the previous season.

Conte’s first season at Inter they scored 24 more league goals than the previous season.

Too defensive though derpy derp derp

 

[Rash Decision]

I have no doubt that if given the same resources, the likes of Ten Hag, Marco Rose, Adi Hutter etc would go toe to toe with the likes of Guardiola. Also you have to remember that Tuchel has barely been Chelsea head coach and I don't think he's been at the club a year yet? So it takes a while to develop synergy/cohesion to go toe to toe with a coach like Guardiola who not only has state backing but also has the advantage of being in his current club for several years, which is a advantage imo.

I personally don't look at the CV/resume as being the only thing which is important when looking to bring in a head coach. For me the ideology of the man is also very important and shouldn't be overlooked like we've done in the past with decorated managers like Mourinho who are known to play a reactive brand of football.

Conte only last season was eliminated from a UCL group (and finished bottom) which contained a bang average Gladbach team who were coached by Marco Rose.

I think from what i've seen of Conte and Zidane, they would both struggle against high pressing teams without having the stronger cast imo. Unlike the new breed of coaches, neither manager is strong at implementing a strong positional game whilst throwing players forward in attack, so for me it's easy to see why they resort to playing more pragmatic against top quality teams. And tbf to Zidane, he doesn't claim to be a great coach and is best known for his man management skills.

Thanks for the reply. I haven’t watched much of these coaches, but I really wanted Pep and later Tuchel, so I hope we will indeed appoint a coach in the same mould next. I am pessimistic about that though.

 

[Lebo]

Inter scored 89 league goals last season.

Absolutely ludicrous criticism and clearly not someone who’s watched Conte’s teams regularly.

Conte’s first season at Juventus they scored 11 more league goals than the previous season.

Conte’s first season at Chelsea they scored 26 more league goals than the previous season.

Conte’s first season at Inter they scored 24 more league goals than the previous season.

Too defensive though derpy derp derp

Not as ridiculous as you think. Mourinho has the highest scoring record in Laliga last I checked. I’m almost certain that even Simeone is more offensive than him. It’s a question of whether your team is proactive or reactive. Even if the team is reactive , some are more so than others which makes them entataining to watch like Fergies 2007-8 team or the 2020 WC German team.

 

[Joeace2020]

NEVER!

 

[golden_blunder]

1) He doesn’t only play 3-5-2. In Juve’s first two seasons he played 4-2-4 for example. But even 3-5-2 probably suits us. Lindelof, Varane and Maguire are all comfortable with the ball, Dalot and Shaw as wing backs. One of McFred, Pogba and Bruno in midfield, with Ronaldo and Rashford up front. Cavani and Greenwood to backup them, with Sancho to backup Bruno. Nothing wrong with this formation.

2) He is a drama Queen but not with players and fans. His problems have always been with the owners, but even when he went into meltdown mode, his team was fully behind him and in case of Inter, won the title.

3) I do not think he is great at transfers.

4) I do not think that he cares much about integrating young players in the team. But then, neither does Ole (only Greenwood from our academy in 3 years).

Other questions:

Does he know how to win titles: Won the league with Juve (they had not won a title for 5 years before him), Chelsea and Inter.

Does he leave strong squads when he is off? Juve went to win the league another 5 times in a row after he left, Chelsea won FA Cup and UCL within 3 seasons despite sabotaging themselves with Lampard for 1.5 seasons, and Inter look strong currently.

Is he good in Europe? So far, no. That is his biggest weakness.

Does he play attractive football? Not particularly but far better than Ole.

Stop making stuff up. He’s played Williams, Henderson, Greenwood whilst others have had time here and there. Just because he’s not throwing the likes of Hannibal in when he’s not ready doesn’t equal not giving youth a chance

 

[Michael T]

I think there's a fair chance Conte is already earmarked to take over at City next season; read something in the Papers Gossip thread the other day saying he has a big project lined up for next year and I'm convinced this is Pep's last season at City. If Ole was to go, I wonder if we could persuade Pep...

 

[lilcurt]

For those saying 'no', can you honestly explain to me why you would rather stick with Ole while this guy is available?

I don't think he is a perfect fit, but if are options are Ole or Conte, we should snap his hand off.