The last part is the reason we didn’t qualify. That was the first time I started to lose faith in Ole.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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If Ole wasn’t a former player. If he hadn’t scored that goal in 99. Would anyone have been saying let’s get the guy who got relegated with Cardiff, and has been managing Molde for the past few years? Romanticism got him the job, and it seems romanticism has people believing that he’s going to emerge from the cocoon of defeat to become our next Alex Ferguson. I’ll admit, I fell for it as well. Those first 11 wins in 13 games, I think it was, had me slamming the table just like Rio. My head said wait, we haven’t seen him handle things going wrong yet, but my heart said give him the job. He got the job, things started going wrong and he handled them poorly. I believe after that night in Paris we went 27 games with only 7 wins in all comps. His saving grace that those games were over the end of one season and the start of another.
It’s been clear for a very long time that Ole isn’t the guy. It’s a shame as it would have been a nice story to write in our history books, but how should we really be looking to him to finally turn it around? I mean how many corners have we turned? Has that become a running joke now? ”have United finally turned a corner?” One week to “I guess not.” the next.
I feel like Ole took early criticism of “you only know how to attack” to heart and has been chasing approval ever since that he’s more than a one note manager. It hasn’t worked for him. Maybe you can spread some of the blame out to Woodward, judge and the owners but Ole still has to accept that he’s just not got it in him to be a manager at this level.
It’s been clear for a very long time that Ole isn’t the guy. It’s a shame as it would have been a nice story to write in our history books, but how should we really be looking to him to finally turn it around? I mean how many corners have we turned? Has that become a running joke now? ”have United finally turned a corner?” One week to “I guess not.” the next.
I feel like Ole took early criticism of “you only know how to attack” to heart and has been chasing approval ever since that he’s more than a one note manager. It hasn’t worked for him. Maybe you can spread some of the blame out to Woodward, judge and the owners but Ole still has to accept that he’s just not got it in him to be a manager at this level.
Was laughing when I saw this on twitter. Find an identity after 100+ games. Come off it man!
1. If the blame was always on the players, no manager would get sacked, ever.
2. It’s clear as day and Ole himself has admitted we “coach” so that we rely on individuals to express themselves. Yesterday you saw what a manager who coaches excellent modern football can do with lesser players, even with his best defender out.
A squad of good players will always find ways to win plenty of games, no matter who the manager, but special managers can coach them to the next level.
Tis the reason managers like Di Matteo have managed to win CL’s, despite being fecking awful at their jobs.
Honestly how many people will care if he is sacked tomorrow. There is no quality in our play or coaching. Yesterday's start was an embarassment and he refused to make any changes till half time, we could have easily been out of it in 18 minutes. Also yesterday's game wasn't a blimp but a continuation of the terrible starts we have been seeing this season and a quality team rightly punished us.
He has done some good work at the club but he is not good enough to take us anywhere.
He has done some good work at the club but he is not good enough to take us anywhere.
That poster was in the whoop whoop thread saying Ole ran rings round RB. Didn't have a problem singling out the manager when things were good
It's funny you mention AWB and Maguire as these two were bought under Ole. His "great" transfer business has led to one good signing so far. Bruno. And we left that signing too late as well.
As to your other points. He set us up to fail. 5 at the back and two watercarriers in front of them was cowardice. We paid the price for it. Not to mention his in game management yesterday which can only make you laugh. Completely messed up our left back situation, put in TFM who we will soon see in some 3rd league, and another defender in Tuanzebe. All that while we were chasing a game.
The more I think about it the more I think what's the actual point of keeping him beyond right now or beyond the end of this season? What exactly are we waiting for with Ole? What exactly are we giving Ole time to do? To get back to the top? To finish the rebuild? If it's to get back to the top it's not going to happen under Ole that much should be obvious. If it's to finish the rebuild why does he need to finish it? I have the opinion that we are one transfer window away(3 signings) from having a very strong side that can compete for trophies. And Ole has just one transfer window (next summer window) left before his contract expires or he finishes his rebuild since we most likely won't do January business. So why would I want to give the next summer transfer window to Ole who I think can't win us trophies? If I believe we are one transfer window away from a side that can compete for trophies wouldn't I want to it to be under a manager who i think can win titles for us? Why waste time on this?
Exactly what Angelino said. Sometimes Utd are good, sometimes utd are shit
That's the biggest vilification of Ole.
How many of those RBL players would you consider for Utd? Konate yes but Forsberg, and a City reject among others?
Bloody hell, they don't really have a world class player but are well coached and well organised to do a job. It was job done in 20 minutes.
But HE bought Wan Bissaaka. HE bought Maguire. HE gave De Gea a bumper contract. By now you cannot say it is not 'his team', and if his team is so lacking, despite the vast spending on players he chose, that's on him.
Obviously you can't fault him if a player makes an error. But if different players make costly errors and it keeps repeating itself - who is as fault if not the man both buying these players and coaching them on a day-to-day basis?
It's evident that Ole is not good enough and that this rollercoaster needs to end. However our issues are bigger then that. This will be the third consecutive manager Woodward has got wrong. In reality its the fourth manager at a row that this setup (ie a banker taking football decisions) had failed miserable in. The writing is pretty much on the wall here.
If we sign a manager now then he will come with a horde of demands including us keeping the present system. That's because every person on earth loves working with total autonomy. Hence why changes need to be made now that Ole is losing the club's favour.
I'd say we should hire Rangnick as football CEO. He has covered every role there is in football whether it was as a player-coach, manager, DOF and chief director of global football. He understand the pressure and the expectations of every single role whether its managing a club or balancing the books. Leipzig is what United should be aspiring at. Their management, their efficiency, their transfer strategy and their football is simply top notch. Rangnick has been in the middle of it all. We then pair him with Mitchell as DOF. Mitchell is a Manchester lad, he had worked with Rangnick and he's got EPL experience with Spurs and Southampton. He's the ideal bridge between the EPL and the change we want to bring at the club. Finally we should bring experienced coaches in. Let's face it, pairing Ole with the likes of Mckenna, Dempsey and Carrick was suicide. If you take Phelan out of the way, our coaching staff looks like the kindergarden of coaching/management.
Ole will either embrace this help or he can feck off back to Molde. Meanwhile any new manager coming in will know that we've got a system in place and he won't be able to bring his mates in without any scrutiny. Disney land had closed doors.
If we sign a manager now then he will come with a horde of demands including us keeping the present system. That's because every person on earth loves working with total autonomy. Hence why changes need to be made now that Ole is losing the club's favour.
I'd say we should hire Rangnick as football CEO. He has covered every role there is in football whether it was as a player-coach, manager, DOF and chief director of global football. He understand the pressure and the expectations of every single role whether its managing a club or balancing the books. Leipzig is what United should be aspiring at. Their management, their efficiency, their transfer strategy and their football is simply top notch. Rangnick has been in the middle of it all. We then pair him with Mitchell as DOF. Mitchell is a Manchester lad, he had worked with Rangnick and he's got EPL experience with Spurs and Southampton. He's the ideal bridge between the EPL and the change we want to bring at the club. Finally we should bring experienced coaches in. Let's face it, pairing Ole with the likes of Mckenna, Dempsey and Carrick was suicide. If you take Phelan out of the way, our coaching staff looks like the kindergarden of coaching/management.
Ole will either embrace this help or he can feck off back to Molde. Meanwhile any new manager coming in will know that we've got a system in place and he won't be able to bring his mates in without any scrutiny. Disney land had closed doors.
I just think the idea that “look, the 3rd best squad in the league came 3rd last year, that’s great management” is beyond bizarre.
The idea that a manager winning some games with some top players is proof that he’s a good manager, utterly nuts.
As I say, top players can win a manager like Di Matteo a CL. No-one here who defends Ole week in week out is gonna say:
“Chelsea won that Champions League because of Di Matteo, but unfortunately the players let him down and got him sacked the following season”.
The posters know full well that winning some games with good players isn’t proof that the manager is anything special.
Looking at our season and performances, I’m starting to think it’ll show more and more this season and that we’ll finish 5th or 6th
It was 6 from 9. We won 2 then lost to ISB which was the worst. A draw there and we're through. It was then 3 from the last 3 games which is shocking
I'd let him see out the season and then bring in our favoured target whoever that may be.
Same here. It just looks so befitting we end up in Europa league 3 times in a row under a manager whose major achievement was a trophy in Norway 7 years ago.I just think the idea that “look, the 3rd best squad in the league came 3rd last year, that’s great management” is beyond bizarre.
The idea that a manager winning some games with some top players is proof that he’s a good manager, utterly nuts.
As I say, top players can win a manager like Di Matteo a CL. No-one here who defends Ole week in week out is gonna say:
“Chelsea won that Champions League because of Di Matteo, but unfortunately the players let him down and got him sacked the following season”.
The posters know full well that winning some games with good players isn’t proof that the manager is anything special.
Looking at our season and performances, I’m starting to think it’ll show more and more this season and that we’ll finish 5th or 6th
You're thinking of Gattuso?
Are we expecting Ole to get the sack today? What's the buzz?
Its even a crime to discuss the coaching abilities of Ole, because the guy has none. Apart from being a yes man and a nice chap with a never fading smile on his face, the guy has no qualities to be the coach of a club of United's status. How many matches (is there even a match) which we have won because of his tactical brilliance? He was very lucky most of the time + the players wanted to show Jose wrong when Ole came here.
Get rid and appoint a proper manager asap.
Get rid and appoint a proper manager asap.
Not a chance in hell.
I shall point out that giving quality attacking players the freedom to express themselves is not something we should take for granted, and we've had the managers to prove that.
Having said that, it's just not enough.
No we are not. The top 4 sack criteria is a financial goal not an ambition one. Losing in the group stage will cost the club knockout money but he already satisfied the leeches by qualifying in the first place.
That exact formation has won us many big games under Ole. Didn't we beat City playing 5 at the back. And PSG?
We are defending horribly right now and he needs to sort it out for sure. That defence isn't winning anything under the next manager so don't pretend it is.
If it’s Poch, they’ll be forced to make a decision in December either way.
If it’s anyone else, yeah they’ll likely give Ole the season regardless which is the right thing to do.
I do think it’s Poch though, so I think the pressure for good results in December is firmly on Ole.
You need to zoom out.
These mistakes have not unique to tonight. We can accommodate a mistake, a slip, etc. But what we're seeing is consistently bad behaviour and mental lapse from the same players. AWB and Maguire have been defensively weak this year, we see a lack of RB up the wings, a lack of production from midfield, static movement up front, etc. These are issues with the players, but the players are coached mentally and physically by Ole's team.
For example, Ole did NOTHING to lock down our left side when Angelino lit us up all of the first half down the left. You can do in game changes in bloody FIFA21 and Ole just let AWB get roasted again and again and it was clear our back 3 were exposed by AWB and Telles not tracking back and were too high up the pitch. By the 2nd half, Naglesman then changed tactics and Ole then made changes that were not in relation to Naglesman's move.
You are mentioning trends. We have trended badly defensively again and again, and to me this falls at the lap of our manager and coaching staff quite simply.
Getting a DoF is so important now. We have a good squad so we need to make sure we don't go off course and lose the foundation. If we persist with Ole we will never win anything worthy of note. If we persist with Woodward making decisions it's a big risk
Those teams wanted to score against us. And we thought the same would happen to RBL yesterday. But this tactic was nullified after 2 minutes. We needed to score and should have changed the formation.
Time to go unfortunately, in 2 years I've seen nothing to suggest that ole is the coach to take us forward, yes we have a few amazing results but then it reverts back to dull, boring, lethargic football. This will not win you trophies.
The more I think about it the more I think what's the actual point of keeping him beyond right now or beyond the end of this season? What exactly are we waiting for with Ole? What exactly are we giving Ole time to do? To get back to the top? To finish the rebuild? If it's to get back to the top it's not going to happen under Ole that much should be obvious. If it's to finish the he has just one more summer transfer window to finish the rebuild and why does he need to finish it? I have the opinion that we are one transfer window away(3 signings) from having a very strong side that can compete for trophies. And Ole has just one transfer window (next summer window) left before his contract expires or he finishes his rebuild since we most likely won't do January business. So why would I want to give the next summer transfer window to Ole who I think can't win us trophies? If I believe we are one transfer window away from a side that can compete for trophies wouldn't I want to it to be under a manager who i think can win titles for us? Why waste time on this?
Think it all depends on who their top managerial target is, if it’s Poch, pressure it on.
If it’s someone else then Ole will get the season regardless.
I think that we need more then that. We can't have the likes of Judge/Woodward dishing silly contract extensions or taking an entire summer to sign cavani
In my opinion we need to separate the financials from football. Woodward can focus on money coming in while football people can run the club from a football pov
The good comebacks we've had lately have masked an obvious problem. Ole’s pre match game plan is shocking!
We know this as it takes a goal to get us going, maybe the goal allows us to drop any pre match plan Ole had and gives the players the freedom to play as they want. This isn't a healthy way to coach a team, more of a necessity through the lack of a good manager.
The end of the game last night was a farce! We had players all over the place, hell he brought on 3 defenders wen chasing a game ffs.
I like Ole the man but Ole the manager just doesn't cut it. Sad but it seams it's true.
We know this as it takes a goal to get us going, maybe the goal allows us to drop any pre match plan Ole had and gives the players the freedom to play as they want. This isn't a healthy way to coach a team, more of a necessity through the lack of a good manager.
The end of the game last night was a farce! We had players all over the place, hell he brought on 3 defenders wen chasing a game ffs.
I like Ole the man but Ole the manager just doesn't cut it. Sad but it seams it's true.
Who decided we sign a rightback that cant cross or control a football? Who decided to spend a record sum on an average CB?
And it's not about winning trophies but our squad underperforms under Ole. Badly. We are conceding the softes goals I can remember. In very important games. He needs to go. He doesnt take us anywhere.
Not really making it any easier on himself or the team I'm afraid
In a way, I feel for him. I work in a bank and if tomorrow I was thrown in the CEO's role, I would be out of my depth and look like a fool.
A lot of articles about a looming sack now.
Rightly so in my opinion. 2 years and heavy spending and we look worse than when he came in. It was an experiment and it failed - time to find a coach with successful PL experience and who has built at least one PL team who play a good brand of football.
This team will transform without any signing after a few weeks of good coaching - there are too many good players for it not too.
Rightly so in my opinion. 2 years and heavy spending and we look worse than when he came in. It was an experiment and it failed - time to find a coach with successful PL experience and who has built at least one PL team who play a good brand of football.
This team will transform without any signing after a few weeks of good coaching - there are too many good players for it not too.
Did you make this argument for Jose and LVG? Both of which had worse teams than we currently have. At least they had some pedigree to make you think it's the players and not them. With Ole, it's not the same. Most of our players have a better footballing reputation than Ole does as a manager. So who is the problem?
You can't complain about our attack, we have a lot of talent and good options. Midfield is stacked and we have the likes of Paul Pogba and VDB on the bench. They'd start for most teams in the world. Even top teams that also wanted them.
Ole signed our defence. This is his creation. In goals we have 2 top goalkeepers.
I'm sick of hearing the quality of players being blamed. That argument died when we spend another £250m in the last couple of years. We're not relying on Lingard and Pereira from the bench anymore. We've got Pogba and VDB coming on these days. It's outrageous.
Agree with Rangnick. Dont agree with the manager. Put Nagelsmann or Rose alongside Rangnick.
Totally agree. The coaching is awful it is plain as day to see recently.
As the poster said he lacks pace. How is that not a limitation?
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