Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Isn't that true
How can you say he took huge risks? What can possibly be risky about starting 7 defensive players penned in your own half?
Taking risks is setting up 442 with a Carrick/Giggs midfield vs. the best club team ever in the world. Not the cowardly nonsense we saw tonight.
Also what you're explaining is how the side clearly wasn't comfortable/set up properly to begin with, so which genius is responsible for that?
I agree.
He will stay until the end of the season, if we're out of the top 4, then he is definitely gone, we're way too inconsistent and the team only shows up when they are losing.
When you have rivals fans delighted every time we win is a massive red flad regarding Ole.
They don't see him as a threat and I agree. No chance under Poch, Allegri, Rose, Naglesmann that you would see City, Liverpool, Chelsea fans happy to see United winning
They don't see him as a threat and I agree. No chance under Poch, Allegri, Rose, Naglesmann that you would see City, Liverpool, Chelsea fans happy to see United winning
Ah shit, forgot to add ‘before’ to my question.
Yeah we lost 3 on the spin starting with that match, just wondering if anyone with a better memory than me knew if this has happened before.
Actually I start to believe that's his mojo. He's like a pool player that blasts every ball in a random direction and sometimes it hits the pocket. It doesn't make sense, but it really works for him in the end.
He made absolutely lame subs and almost got copped out again in the last minute. It's actually crazy and funny in the same time
He should be sacked for hiring Carrick and McKenna as his coaches. With an incompetent manager like him why get more incompetent coaching staff?
Moyes used to get slammed by the media and the fans for pressers that are nowhere near as bad as what Ole does.
I doubt Belgium/Holland would take him. They have higher standards than that. You're right there's a lot of stupidly run clubs out there. If even Moyes can get the Real Sociedad job off the back of our name, anything's possible.
AC Milan maybe, or have they got their act together now? It's really hard to think of one that comes to mind.
They were there before him I think.
1st in the league so far, if for some reason they decided to sack the manager, Ole wouldn't make a top 100 list for the next manager.
Oh yeah, how can i forget Ibra's impact on them, talk about a brain freeze.
Nice one and it totally sums up some fans in this thread.
I’m at the point where I just don’t see any chance of him going anywhere, we have too many good players, and due to that we’ll always get enough results to “save him”.
I don’t think even 5th will cost him his job as it’s clear that SAF, Gill (the advisory board) suggested Ole & Phelan and that they have utterly sold the club on this idea that patience is key.
Think it’d take a 10th place finish but think the advisors behind the genius appointments of Moyes and Ole/Phelan would still argue their cause.
I don’t think even 5th will cost him his job as it’s clear that SAF, Gill (the advisory board) suggested Ole & Phelan and that they have utterly sold the club on this idea that patience is key.
Think it’d take a 10th place finish but think the advisors behind the genius appointments of Moyes and Ole/Phelan would still argue their cause.
He wouldn't last 5 mins at Milan. They appointed/sacked 8 managers since 2014.
I recall them hiring Brocchi not so long ago. You know - former player, zero experience. He managed them for 7 games and got booted from the door.
Surprisingly, Brescia hired him 10 days after and he showed the same "class". Couple of years later he was assistant in China and nowadays I doubt a club would leave him in charge on the lemonade stand.
Surely the pressure must be on now, especially if we lose at the weekend.
Don't forget too if Manager X's previous experience mostly consisted of being Norwegian league.
Loved this.
He is a calamity. Club is in as much free fall now as ever.
He got it wrong today.
Were the sub's that bad today?
Most of the clowns at the back were on a booking and there was always the chance of someone already on a booking having to make a tactical foul
Who else should have came on? Lingard? Ighalo? James?
Mata has played well this season so perhaps he could have been given a chance. But we created a lot in that second half and were pretty close in the end
Completely agree about Phelan, McKenna and Carrick. There's a lot to be said for allowing yourself to be surrounded with mediocrity.
Most of the clowns at the back were on a booking and there was always the chance of someone already on a booking having to make a tactical foul
Who else should have came on? Lingard? Ighalo? James?
Mata has played well this season so perhaps he could have been given a chance. But we created a lot in that second half and were pretty close in the end
Completely agree about Phelan, McKenna and Carrick. There's a lot to be said for allowing yourself to be surrounded with mediocrity.
I think Woodward will eventually sack him or get rid of him somehow. His facial expressions does not bode well. Our league position is what is saving Ole. If we had lost to West Ham and tonight he would have gone. But we have enough quality players in the side to get us into the top half of the table. That is what is saving his job.
He will win vs City and people will hail him as a genious. Then draw with Sheffield etc and people will say it is ok since we got a win over City and are still in the top 4.
The players individualism has taken Ole as far as they can.
I think the inconsistency would be acceptable if there was a clear or obvious plan that Ole was trying to implement and drill into the players. After two years there is no obvious plan other than to sit deep and hit teams on the counter attack. That is fine for certain teams and games, SAF and other successful managers have demonstrated that counter attacking football can lead to good victories. As soon as clubs worked this out (a few months in) they began to sit back and we have struggled to break down teams since. I do not see a plan B or any tactical nous which lead me to believe Ole can turn this around.
Specifically on the game tonight every man and their dog could work out that in a game where Leipzig have to win, one where they're at home and have a good home record they would be up for it. They would start quick and press. Two players who cannot play together if a team is going to be all over you are Matic and McTominay. It was clear to almost everyone in the pre-match thread so why wasn't it clear to Ole? The only answer I can come up with is that it was clear to him. He knew we'd be overran but he thought we could have a scrappy game, keep it tight and come away with the 0-0. His pessimism has cost us the opportunity to play in the knock out rounds of the CL. When your game plan is ruined a few minutes in you need to adapt, show some spine, make adjustments and work out how you can hurt the opposition. He didn't until half time and by that point it was too much of an uphill task.
So for me... the lack of an obvious plan, the lack of tactical nous, the lack of game management and his negative approach to games are all reasons why we need to relieve Ole of his duties. He can then go back to being the United legend he so obviously is and managing a team more suited to his ability. This experiment has not worked and expecting different results with the same formula two years in is nothing short of insanity.
Specifically on the game tonight every man and their dog could work out that in a game where Leipzig have to win, one where they're at home and have a good home record they would be up for it. They would start quick and press. Two players who cannot play together if a team is going to be all over you are Matic and McTominay. It was clear to almost everyone in the pre-match thread so why wasn't it clear to Ole? The only answer I can come up with is that it was clear to him. He knew we'd be overran but he thought we could have a scrappy game, keep it tight and come away with the 0-0. His pessimism has cost us the opportunity to play in the knock out rounds of the CL. When your game plan is ruined a few minutes in you need to adapt, show some spine, make adjustments and work out how you can hurt the opposition. He didn't until half time and by that point it was too much of an uphill task.
So for me... the lack of an obvious plan, the lack of tactical nous, the lack of game management and his negative approach to games are all reasons why we need to relieve Ole of his duties. He can then go back to being the United legend he so obviously is and managing a team more suited to his ability. This experiment has not worked and expecting different results with the same formula two years in is nothing short of insanity.
This post sums it up beautifully.
Brilliant mate
No he turned up, tried something that didn’t work so changed it and is now in the knock out stages. Ole turned up, set up to counter assuming we’d be fine and then, as usual, left the changes too late.
As said Istanbul result killed us, not losing tonight.
Hear hear
The Istanbul away game was the final straw for me and haven't seen anything since to change my mind.
After 2 years, we just don't look like a well coached team. Don't defend well, don't press well, don't pass the ball well, struggle to break down packed defences, poor on attacking and defending set pieces. There's really no redeeming feature about watching us play.
I will also say our bottom level is that of a Sunday league side. When other top teams have an off day they generally look a bit flat compared to usual, when we have an off day we don't even look like a football team. And our off days come about once every couple of games.
After 2 years, we just don't look like a well coached team. Don't defend well, don't press well, don't pass the ball well, struggle to break down packed defences, poor on attacking and defending set pieces. There's really no redeeming feature about watching us play.
I will also say our bottom level is that of a Sunday league side. When other top teams have an off day they generally look a bit flat compared to usual, when we have an off day we don't even look like a football team. And our off days come about once every couple of games.
He has now lost 28 games in 108 games, Same as Jose managed but in 36 less games. LvG lost 24 in 101 games. Both these managers were rightly sacked.
Apparently though we are improving, have a process and Ole is not to blame for our failings, it’s the board, it’s the players, he hasn’t been backed etc. He also plays the United way...which the last time I checked, wasn’t playing 5 at the back with 2 DMs or just spamming teams on the break being our only tactic.
At least these two managers won us our only trophies since SAF and earned the right to manage us based on their past experience and trophies won.
I pray we let him go before it’s too late and our season capitulates.
Apparently though we are improving, have a process and Ole is not to blame for our failings, it’s the board, it’s the players, he hasn’t been backed etc. He also plays the United way...which the last time I checked, wasn’t playing 5 at the back with 2 DMs or just spamming teams on the break being our only tactic.
At least these two managers won us our only trophies since SAF and earned the right to manage us based on their past experience and trophies won.
I pray we let him go before it’s too late and our season capitulates.
He won't be sacked until the usual cannot qualify for top 4 garbage
7 games, they don't mess around do they? I'm glad to see them doing the business with Ibra now.The annoying thing is that he has done a lot of good stuff. He has been far better in terms of recruiting and moving on players that any manager since Fergie. I also get a sense that he is at least trying to build the club and its culture in a way that's consistent with a long term vision that feels somewhat like what a Man Utd team should do. I'd hate to see him given the boot for another Mourinho-like coach that is just in it for the short term and who throws a lot of stuff away and wants to start over again from scratch.
That said, I do think the point is being reached where the team's lack of coaching and structure is stopping the club moving forward and I'm not sure Ole is the man to fix that. I'd like to see either Ole moved upstairs to the long anticipated director of football role or a serious shakeup of the coaching staff to bring some new ideas in.
That said, I do think the point is being reached where the team's lack of coaching and structure is stopping the club moving forward and I'm not sure Ole is the man to fix that. I'd like to see either Ole moved upstairs to the long anticipated director of football role or a serious shakeup of the coaching staff to bring some new ideas in.
Not having Fred against Leipzig cost us big. The only time our central mid isn't utter horse-crap is when all 3 of McT, Fred and Bruno play together. Otherwise we are horrible there.
VDB will hopefully start pushing for a first team spot once Jogba is gone in January.
We sorely lack a proper DM or DLP. I think our next signing will be one of those. Rice, Phillips, Camavinga, Zakaria etc
Best post on redcafe ever.
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