More than half the CAF was fully on board with the program. I remember getting called a moaner for insisting we should prioritize our midfield and forwards instead of buying Maguire.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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More than half the CAF was fully on board with the program. I remember getting called a moaner for insisting we should prioritize our midfield and forwards instead of buying Maguire.
If we are to start our winning ways again we need to ship out the american owners. I’ll gladly take 12 or 13 in the league if it means we are heading in the right direction. Our three last investments have been sensible, good signings. Not big name players way past their peak.
If we had just scored on those penalties and avoided injury on key players this early in the season it could have been a different story. I don’t think sacking Ole would help before we got a proper suitable candidate ready. But he has to do something about Rashford. And Young...
If we had just scored on those penalties and avoided injury on key players this early in the season it could have been a different story. I don’t think sacking Ole would help before we got a proper suitable candidate ready. But he has to do something about Rashford. And Young...
I feel sorry for him. Nothing works and players regress in front of his eyes. Must be depressing.
Ole will be last one to know when it’s over and that is a little bit sad. He deserves better then this.
Ole will be last one to know when it’s over and that is a little bit sad. He deserves better then this.
“Your job now is to stand by my seventh choice manager since Pep, Mourinho, Ancelotti, LVG, etc weren’t available” more like.
This was 2013 and Moyes was the catalyst to this whole mess.
What a diabolical point to make
Where’s Mickey Phelan gone?
I think Ole will win the title next season............................Championship title that is.
He definitely does need time to sort out this shambles, any manager would. The thing I am stuggling with is how naive he was to come into the season with such a shit and weak in-depth squad and seriously think we stand a chance at fighting for even a Europa league spot.
Not replacing Lukaku was a shambles.
Relying on half a dozen youth to try and emulate the past is also just as bad. I know we have a history of youth and that’s what our club is all about but feck me, you can clearly see this lit isn’t going to drag us to the top of the table at this stage of their careers.
He can't sort it out. He is not capable of doing it.
This * 1,000,000. For all the 'he loves the club more than himself and puts the club first'. This is the freaking reason he is not gonna voluntarily resign. He is not that thick. He loves himself more. What he says is just media propaganda to buy more time.
No chance we’re winning the Championship title with Ole managing us, also players like Fred, Mata, Lindelof, Gomes, Greenwood and Martial would be eaten alive in the Championship, we’ll possibly make the playoffs at best.
Changed my vote to sack. I think it's enough. He is a huge part of this mess and I think it's time to go.
Absolutely agree.
Don’t tell the glazers that, they may target the “richest game in football”
Aged so well, that line. Or not.
Stand by managers that have proven themselves to be up to the job. Unless they're retiring soon like LVG or blow up all their relationships at the club like Mourinho.
Why should we do this?
Clueless like our manager.
He decided to go into the season with this team. He spent 130m on 2 players. Most of the mess this team is on him.
I genuinely don't know who could come in and turn this shit show around even if we fired Ole. The squad is paper thin and mediocre at best, so it's no surprise we are so poor. We need a new everything to improve.
Will you still be backing him when we are in the bottom 3 at Xmas. The last 16 League games United have 17 points, 1 more point than Southampton and 1 less than Newcastle.
Go back 12 months and I'm sure we had threads saying this was a title challenging team. How times change.
Solskjaer created this shambles. His coaching is rubbish. His tactics are rubbish. His team selections are rubbish.
Fans praise his 3 transfer signings but they were the wrong signings. If we were only signing 3 players, we should have signed TWO left footed right side attacking players and a midfielder because that was our PRIORITY. We are stacked on the left side of attack, CB and RB. Instead of signing TWO attackers for the right he signed ANOTHER left sided attacker. WHY? Maguire and Wan-Bissaka are good additions long term. I don't feel the same about Daniel James. I think he is a bad signing, not just because he isn't very good but because we didn't need ANOTHER left sided attacker, we needed TWO right sided attackers. The reason we need TWO is because we don't even have one.
The mistake we made signing Daniel James is the exact same mistake we made when we signed Sanchez. Why do we keep buying the wrong players? I don't understand how people can be so stupid. WE NEED SOMEONE TO PLAY ON THE RIGHT! How is it that there are so many fans that don't see it?
Every attacking player we have IS SHIT PLAYING ON THE RIGHT yet people still say "put Rashford on he right, put James on the right". Solskjaer is OBSESSED with playing Pereira on the right. Why?
When the new manager comes in, whenever that is, if the FIRST signing they make is a left footed right side attacker, I will KNOW there's a very good chance we've finally got the right manager.
I've been saying this over and over and over since Moyes was manager. It's beyond depressing. What makes it worse is that recently Liverpool have been playing a perfectly balanced front 3 which makes their attack as effective as it can possibly be. STILL so many United fans just don't see it. They don't understand why balance is important. They don't understand that a team can NEVER play to it's full potential if it is unbalanced.
They do understand. But how can we (United fans) influence transfers?
This is the biggest issue I have as I think the club is rotten in terms of structure, owners and hierarchy, BUT if Ole was genuinely happy with this squad at the start of the season and that it was mostly his decision not to add one or two stop gap signings then I think you do have to question his judgement. The emphasis he's put on the young players to help this team get Top 4 has been counter productive and extremely unfair. Yes Greenwood has got the odd goal and he's a really exciting player but he often looks lost out there and we're sending him on to grab a goal in a premier league match. The same with Chong. Some of the young lads clearly aren't ready and to throw them into this mess is not right. Ole said in the summer that adding another striker would halt Greenwood's progress and now it seems he admits that we need to get someone in January. That's a big error in judgement.
I guess that you were against his appointment then? And that you didn't ever sing "Ole's at the wheel.." believing in him as the manager because he gave minutes to the Academy players and played the United way for as long as the squad at his disposal allowed it?
Otherwise your accusation could be leveled at yourself.
And how do you know what team he decided to go into the season with? What choice did he have? How do you know he didn't have a whole list of players that was turned downed by the money men?
"Most of the mess this team is on him"
He's signed three of those players (who've all done well btw) so that's hardly correct.
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No, if we keep loosing it will become untenable and I'll be forced to change my stance. But I prefer to stick with Ole even if we're solid mid-table and then make the decision further on when:
A. We've had more time to evaluate the situation
B. More prospective managers will be available
Even if we were to get a new interim manager in - who would make the decision on who to sign in Jan? Woodward? No thanks. I much prefer Ole making that call, on account of his transfer record so far. So if Ole can stay on throughout the season that would be best I think. But we'll see.
Sticking with Ole at this point is like sticking with Roy Carroll because switching keepers post-Schmeichel clearly hadn’t worked so far at that point so time must surely be the solution. You don’t give incompetence more time than necessary once it has shown itself.
I agree 100% but... I'm starting to ask myself does Ole have the football brain to rebuild this squad. We signed two great defenders last window. I don't know if they were Ole's first choice but by all accounts it would appear so. James was not signed to be a starter week in/week out but has found himself in that position due to injuries.
Let's look at his decision to move Axel to RB and play Rojo at CB. We all know Rojo is a liability when he plays, so why play him in very important position in a game as close as it was? It's incomprehensible.
What is our style of play? I'm just a forum junky so it's no surprise I can't see what he is trying to accomplish with these players but you have pundits who eat, sleep, and shit football every day and they have no idea either.
Back Ole in January seems to be the popular answer. There is no disputing we need to strengthen the squad in many areas. We're weak in just about every position on the pitch barring defense. January is not a window to buy 5 or 6 players. We might sign a striker, that much is obvious but I doubt we'll sign a right sided attacking player or central midfielder.
The problem is if he's given more time and not backed, it's just biding time until the inevitable happens and the owners will be happy they didn't spend money in January. It's just so hard to see them backing him in January or next summer when he's not showing any signs of progress. We're regressing. We have a squad of individuals that are not displaying any signs of playing tactical football. It's a lot of running around chasing after the ball, some interlinking play, but for the most part, its kick and run. Is that what Ole is coaching? Kick and run football? I seriously doubt it but you have to wonder since these players have all shown they can play to a higher standard.
I'm still in the keep Ole camp but if we don't start picking up points in the next 4-6 weeks and show progress then he needs to go. I just don't see the point in sacking him now just to bring in another caretaker until the end of the season.
Yes I was. Right from the off it was clear he wasn't someone we should make in charge for our rebuild.
How do I know?
From what HE said during interviews. Didn't he say he was happy with the squad on more than once? Didn't he say he will give young players a chance and they were ready? Didn't he say we chose not to go for a forward because he wasn't the 'right type'?
He has signed three players and didn't address midfield and attack. We lost many senior players that he oversaw going on loan or selling without replacing. So, yes most of the mess is on him. And will take a while for the next one in line to fix his mess.
We'd all like the Glazers gone but that isn't easily achieved, but Woodward has to be removed from his position for things to improve. That being said this squad is poor but there is no excuse for how bad we are but the coahing, I love Ole but he looks miles out of his depth, outcoached by fecking Brucie, there is absolutely no style of play or system, we have a team of strangers and that is on Ole, this is a side that's barely good enough for top 6, but if we keep Ole much longer we'll be bottom 6 and free falling.
I surely do wonder what you must see in Ole to back him. This isn't Klopp who has many credentials even beyond trophies to be given time. Backing Solskjaer is like putting Steve Bruce in charge and "hoping for the best". The fact that the only thing Ole has going for him is "hope" just shows how much of a pathetic manager he has become. Get rid
The problem with Ole is, he doesn't have credential to afford us believe he can turn things better. He's been in charge since March with one of the worst United managerial record to this time. He's had ample of time to improve players, system, and even the squad with 150m to spend.
Even if Ole spent it on midfield and attack, the excuse would be "you need a solid base to be able to attack." That was the excuse for Mourinho. There's always an excuse for these "back the manager" types. I'm sick of it.
I'm still in the keep camp because there are no obvious alternatives. However, if Poch becomes available and we haven't improved by then - I'd go for him
0-1 away at Newcastle is hardly anything to go into apocalypse mode despite the below par play. United have shored up at the back despite conceding an unnecessary goal - if we were getting thumped regularly as in 0-2 or 0-3 that would be different. Ole knows he will struggle with this squad and current situation. To pretend that the dross brought in for ridiculous money under Mourinho for example is not affecting the current situation is unfair.
The midfield and attack are the obvious problems plus lack of coherence in the team overall. The quality of the squad and not enough cover for injuries of course. However, look at the fundamentals - United need to get coaching staff that will come in, identify exactly what's wrong and be less chummy, bringing in a colder eye and zero enabling of whatever it is that is being enabled and dragging the squad down.
New players and new coaching staff - preferably from Europe, thanks. The biggest problem is how we will get the likes of Sancho etc to join with the current set-up and situation.
I like Michael Carrick but I cannot see what he has done at any time to be a member of United's coaching staff.
The midfield and attack are the obvious problems plus lack of coherence in the team overall. The quality of the squad and not enough cover for injuries of course. However, look at the fundamentals - United need to get coaching staff that will come in, identify exactly what's wrong and be less chummy, bringing in a colder eye and zero enabling of whatever it is that is being enabled and dragging the squad down.
New players and new coaching staff - preferably from Europe, thanks. The biggest problem is how we will get the likes of Sancho etc to join with the current set-up and situation.
I like Michael Carrick but I cannot see what he has done at any time to be a member of United's coaching staff.
Not involved in the relegation battle is a good alternative. Because Ole at the wheel is going to drive us there.
I don't think so but..
there is no guarantee a new manager doesn't increase the chances of that. Making a change has downside risk as well.
Who would you put in charge?
This is where I am. Sacking Ole and having Phelan or Carrick take over for the rest of the season will only make things worse. Despite his bad run, I’d change my vote for Poch if he was genuinely excited by the challenge.
Ooh, yes please, Spurs were just taken out by a Bayern team that didn't just beat them 3-0 - they put 7 goals past them.
There is unrest at Spurs around Pochettino - do you think importing that here is going to bring any improvement? No silverware - I repeat, no silverware. Oh, he knows how to build teams! He certainly has deteriorated in that respect at Spurs over some months.
Ole as a Director of Football and Allegri/Eddie Howe actually make sense although Howe is a real outlier in terms of being appointed as Manager of Manchester United.
I'm pretty sure any senior manager out there can be able to post better results than 20% win rate in like 6 months or so.
Every day you have someone who is absolutely impotent at coaching those players is detrimental in the long run.
What - the challenge of actually winning something? No thanks, I don't want our club to be the experiment to see if Pochettino can actually have real success with a club as in titles and trophies.
Any real top class manager who isn't in a job is an obvious alternative.
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