I think you are mistaking the famous "sack fergie, sell giggs" statement because this place didnt seriously want SAF sacked week in week out
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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You think this is all you are doing
. Even if you say it is supposedly is all you are doing the celebration is a bit too much for NewcastleThis will be case no matter who the next manager is, unless we win CL or PL title.
The same arguments with next manager will continue.
Oh fair. To be honest, I was more making fun of Amadeus for being so eager and quick to mention Poch's name that he mistakenly claimed Pep Guardiola was two different people.
This comment aged as well as sour milk in a cauldron of molten steel. See what happens when your opinion is as old as it takes you to type the sentence out?
I'm not sure what you're waffling about. That comment has got nothing to do with the final scoreline unless you live in Solskjaer's world where Gareth Bale coming on somehow decreases the number of open play goals scored. No wonder you back Glazer's puppet who's only "concerned with 22 yards".
The next games are really difficult for Ole. I hope he adapts and considers VDB as a starting player, with a counter approach to PSG and Chelsea.
Rather impressed with Ole for starting with Fred and McT yesterday against Newcastle. They might not have the quality of Pogba and Matic, but they will not lose out in the midfield battle too much. A good decision overall. Hopefully, he starts the same way against PSG on Tuesday. We can't afford to lose the midfield battle early in the game if we want to get anything out of this game.
You are being a d&£k to be fair and that’s coming from me.
Grow up
OleOUTers complaining about negativity
Literally cant make it up but then again it is 2020.
Definitely, it's as simple as that. As a matter of interest though I wonder how many posters on here with their hand on chest believe that Ole is the man to win us that next title/CL. I mean it's well and good sammsky1 running around calling posters that question Ole and his staff idiots but ultimately it comes down to that question. If you do well then that's fair enough but if you don't that's also fairly reasonable and doesn't warrant the stick some get on here.
Aye Robbie. As well as can be bro! Hahaha I’m a sucker for punishment - ergo I like your posts!
Joking bud. Sums up my feelings on ole well. He’s done a lot of good.
Ah good to hear pal. Looking like another full lockdown here from tomorrow, and just as I'm hitting good form again in the gym following the last full lockdown!!
Aye, Ole is a top bloke and him succeeding here would be amazing. Lets hope we put the poor early season form behind us and kick on from here.
I'm liking what he's done with the squad and we finally have some good bench options. Really looking forward to seeing Pellistri; he has that unknown intrigue about him like Hernandez, all those years ago. Onwards and upwards starting with dishing out a spanking to Neymar and co. No Young this time to rough Di Maria up, though!
A famous quote about the biggest tragedies and slaughter committed by societies which chose to worship 1 man and all that. Every Nazi living in Nazi Germany considered August Landmesser a toxic fella. History is and definitely will be the better judge.
Why is it a crazy phenomenon to observe? You have people like yourself that are 100% certain that Ole is the best thing to happen to United since its been founded, then there's people who no matter what the result moan about something. These 2 extremes are as bad as each other.
A lot of the people in between either think we could be a success under Ole or might not be. These are the ones who you can have a sensible conversation with.. I happen to think Ole isn't good enough and have literally become numb to the whole thing. Of course I always want my team to win but when we don't I don't throw a strop just like when we lose I don't go on a mad rant of how bad Ole/the squad is.
There's absolutely no point because we know from past experience that we can have a good run followed by a dismal one so what is the point of going to such extremes? To me that's just a total waste of energy. When and if we start to play a more consistent football then these extremes will stop but at the minute I'm not going to be jumping for joy when we win because I know what's on the road up ahead. If you want to go yoyoing through the season and live game by game then of course that's up to you but for those of us who don't it doesn't mean we're any less of a supporter. It just means our sanity is going to be more intact when things finally sort themselves out.
Me not becoming a headstrong prey to a Glazer's exercise shouldn't be the important question here. People in occupied countries don't live happily in colonial times. Au contraire, this myth is only peddled by the colonizers to justify and perpetuate their evil colonial occupation while robbing the country of all its wealth and glory. Same thing with Los Angeles colonialists and Manchester United. There's a (hi)story of how Indian National Army were preparing to attack India to free India from the clutches of British Raj. Many snowflakes here crying about "toxic culture from Ole Outers" and you should learn a thing or two from this.
What on earth are you talking about?Are you suggesting that supporting the manager of your club is somehow equivalent to actual fascism?
You still don't get it?
OleOUTers complaining about negativity
Literally cant make it up but then again it is 2020.
Average Oleouter will write a post where he criticize Ole and write his opinion about why Ole must go. Some opinions are subjective, some objective, some are harsh, some are right and some are probably wrong.
Average Oleinner will write why he must stay. And we have a debate. Because that is how football forum works.
And then people like you come in. Egoistic fanatics. You don't know what debate is and especially what polite debate is. You only attack posters and then and there write "he needs time". And that is it. And you do it in every thread. You are a person who take aggressive approach towards people who don't share your opinion.
You are by far the worst person (for me at least) for any debate on this forum.
I think he called me a nazi for supporting Ole .... but I’m not really sure
Are you suggesting that supporting the manager of your club is somehow equivalent to actual fascism?
Its not even about how far people think he can take us. Thats something that only time can tell, but sure, that's worth debating.
However, this is a thread about whether we should sack our manager now. Why should we constantly be debating whether to sack him now? Its a reactionary thread that crops up after every win, every defeat, every positive or negative news story about the club, however ridiculous that story might be.
Surely with a reasonable group of fans this kind of topic would come up periodically. After a prolonged bad run, or a failure of a season. He isn't performing so bad as to have this as a red hot topic. It shouldn't be constantly at the top of the forum, and the origin of so much of this forums toxicity, should it?
To be fair, I think this thread is just used to generally discuss Ole. It could easily enough be merged with his performance thread.
So you are a WUM. Because only Wum would write that
Good thing though that our crap start in the first 3 games didn't put us in a big gap from other teams actually thanks to Chelsea and Spurs continuously shitting the bed and losing points in games they're leading, now we can easily go above them. Definitely we can take it from here and as I said, very confident in a top 4 finish regardless of my opinion on Ole.
Respectfully, this argument is not as clever as you think it is, nor is it relevant to this discussion. But it's interesting that you're unable to separate ownership from team, a factor you can do exactly 0 about, besides bring everyone elses mood around you down to your own miserable level. Plenty of us don't like the club ownership, I myself have been vocal about this. It's still posible to love the team, the staff and the players.
I'm sorry your ability to feel joy ended June 2005.
The snowflakes you're refering to (me included) mostly point out how negativity only breeds negativity and no solutions. If any of my employees walked around all day complaining I'd strongly suggest they find themselves a new job, you don't want that kind of energy around you.
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That's a completely different question though to whether he deserves to be sacked now (this thread). Do you hand on chest believe that whoever you want to sack Ole for is the man to win us the next title? Why are you so sure?
Not having a go at you mate, just feel like you’re one of the reasonable ones I can respond to without being attacked.
I’d say it’s not about believing or not believing Ole will win us our next major trophy because no one, absolutely no one can guarantee that. It’s about enjoying the current manager who is doing a good job (in my humble opinion) and wishing the best for him and despairing at the constant negativity of some posters who never have anything nice to say but would enthusiastically bash the coaching staff after every poor result.
They always have excuses for the opponent when we win and not a word of praise for our team. You tend to think they wish our own team loses because they are have way more zeal when we lose.
This I agree. I don’t think it’s healthy for the fan base present on this forum that we are permanently and continuously discussing whether the manager should be sacked the following morning. It’s always going to be divisive topic in an era where we aren’t winning as much as we used to do sometime back and it only breeds toxicity.
Most people have their minds made up already what they think about Ole and every result which tilts towards supporting their argument brings them out guns blazing, which in turn annoys the other side.
The internet is such a polarised platform it’s unbearable at times. I doubt you would have this constant debate in real life. Everyone is always trying to score virtual points on the internet against absolute strangers. It’s a curious psychological phenomenon.
This forum would be fine if people here aren't so concerned of proving their opinion to be the right one and everyone else is wrong. Whenever you search very old threads you'll find ton of wrong opinions on players and managers. It happens. You shouldn't care about your opinion being proven right or wrong when it comes to football. It's a very dynamic sport and things change quickly. Just comment on current topics and stop caring that much if you'll be proven wrong in the future.
Amen to this.
Ole is here to rebuild the team. It was a 3 year contract and looking at the team he took over, three years is a good timeline for him to get rid of deadwood and build a competitive team. If he wins some trophies along the way that's nice but his main job is to rebuild this team and he's doing a decent job.
Top 4 is essential for this because without it, we can lose out on some targets and money and that would set us back. So once top 4 starts looking difficult and given there's also Pochettino available who himself has rebuilt a team like Ole is doing, Ole's job should be under threat
Top 4 is essential for this because without it, we can lose out on some targets and money and that would set us back. So once top 4 starts looking difficult and given there's also Pochettino available who himself has rebuilt a team like Ole is doing, Ole's job should be under threat
No. What I do believe is that it's possible to have a shite board and a manager that can still rise to that challenge. As SAF did and as Klopp is doing now for Liverpool who even the most negative Liverpool fans could see was building something special from the off and had trust in his CV. But giving up searching for that altogether and settling for what Arsenal have been over the past decade and more because we've a shite board isn't the way to to go either. I believe in being ruthless when it's not working and not prolonging the inevitable.
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I agree and I do enjoy us winning but in the long term don't believe Ole will ever be good enough to achieve what we all ultimately want, which is for United to get back to the top of English football and be competitive again in Europe.
Edit: By the way that second bold part I agree with also, I've a friend just like that and it's never ok.
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That’s a slightly different question. I don’t know which manager would win us the title but there are some managers that I think might win us the title. With Ole, I don’t believe he could win the title. And that is the basis for any managerial appointment- there are no guarantees (even with a Ferguson or Klopp), but you at least need some hope to hold onto that this man might be the one. Nothing in Ole’s pre-United managerial career or his nearly two years at United gives me that hope.
We've lost just 4 out of the last 31 games. We're far from the threshold of sacking him to gamble that the next guy will be the new SAF.
In my opinion we need to keep on gambling even if it takes us going through another four managers. I've seen more than enough on the pitch to form that opinion at this point. I may well be totally wrong but I'm not an expert and will never claim to be one and for what it's worth I hope you are right and would obviously be delighted if he's the man to do it.
I still think he needs to go and I do not think he is going to take us forward but I am happy to be proven wrong. I want United to win no matter who the manager is. Even if they appoint Gerrard and if he wins the title and trophies I will be happy.
I've not said he is. No one can say for certain either way with any manager.
Gambling and getting it wrong could set us back years. With no decent structure above the manager it leads to stuff like the ridiculous cycle of giving new contracts to deadwood players 'getting a new chance' under the new manager.
Amen Robbie! And best of luck with the lockdown
Ah good to hear pal. Looking like another full lockdown here from tomorrow, and just as I'm hitting good form again in the gym following the last full lockdown!!
Aye, Ole is a top bloke and him succeeding here would be amazing. Lets hope we put the poor early season form behind us and kick on from here.
I'm liking what he's done with the squad and we finally have some good bench options. Really looking forward to seeing Pellistri; he has that unknown intrigue about him like Hernandez, all those years ago. Onwards and upwards starting with dishing out a spanking to Neymar and co. No Young this time to rough Di Maria up, though!
But as you say, we don't know? what we do know is staring us in the face every weekend and most of us will and can form an opinion on that now. Ole has been here long enough for that. Liverpool sacked a very good coach in BR and took the gamble on Klopp and look at where they are now.
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