Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild

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Honestly, calling them "good owners" and his little speech is heavily frustrating for me. Just don't say anything, ffs. No need to go on a tangent brown nosing them in the highest degree. Sends the wrong message.
 
Garethw said:
Yes a free run, as in no other teams competing for his signature.
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If I put £50m for Smailing, then it is a free run for Roma?

There is a reason why there is few clubs willing to even look at Sancho while Dortmund have put that price on him.
 
Foxbatt said:
Yes this is Manchester United and we should always be in the top 4 aim. We are not a small club by any means.
I really don't understand why Woodward gave him the permanent job before the end of the season anyway. The fact Ole has not been supported this window is a mystery if he has the backing of the Board. Anyone should know we need more better players as others have strengthened their teams a lot better.
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It'll be interesting when the finances are announced next week. That might explain things. It could have come down to needing to sell to get cash in for purchases. Although why they've refused to sell in that scenario is anyone's guess.
 
Seriously what would be the point of sacking Ole at this moment in time? No matter who we bring in their hand would be shackled by these owners and their inept transfer team. The club needs a solid strategy and football identity and Ole and whoever does eventually replace him should have to fit to that criteria. And we need a DoF to make that happen. Until we have this in place all a new manager can do is work with the players he has till he can replace them. But with this board managers aren't given the players or the time to get the job done.
 
BR7 said:
Stop defending the indefensible the quality of my posts are better than the quality of our uselessness overrated over privileged manager. No one rates him in the football world realistically everyone thinks he’s out f his depth apart from you and the rest of your crew who all wear ole shirts to bed probably. GIVE IT UP he is useless
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I've literally defended nothing, I've simply pointed out that your posts are atrocious. Not only are they poorly formatted and in grave need of some punctuation, but they're also full of false assumptions and opinions presented as fact. Cut that shit out if you want to actually have a grown-up discussion.
 
Withnail said:
It'll be interesting when the finances are announced next week. That might explain things. It could have come down to needing to sell to get cash in for purchases. Although why they've refused to sell in that scenario is anyone's guess.
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That could be it but our sponsor deals are huge. We have got rid of Sanchez too. I don't understand why they are holding on to Smalling on the transfer fee? Pay Jones and Rojo to leave along with Lingard.
I would buy a top class CB even if it's expensive. And a top class DM to replace Matic before Sancho. What is the difference in 10 million for United if Sancho is such a fantastic player?
 
90 + 5min said:
And I can see what Solskjaer want and where we are heading towards. In the same way I could see where Klopp where heading towards. I am not saying Solskjaer will be Klopp but he don't need to be him. He can be better. He can be worse. I see what we want to do and I see progress.

Squad depth is not just about Solskjaer. First you need to fix your starting XI. Then you need to work on squad. We are not that good in terms of quality in the squad but as you can see it is hard to get out some players. You can't buy and buy but not sell. It doesn't work that way. Giving big contratcs to players with injury problems or lack of quality means less buyers. We can't have a squad that is 35 players. One other aspect is changing managers all the time meaning buying those who current manager wants. And when you change manager you need to please the other manager by buying more for the way he wants to play.

Fitness issue is about what kind of game you want to play. When Solskjaer took over we were playing different fotball with less running. If you want to run more you need to work on that. I don't think there is any problem looking at our team now (and under Mourinho/VanGaal) and see that we are better and fitter in that department. That is not saying we are better as a team, but talking just about fitness, we are lot better.
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I agree that we can see what Ole wants. He wants a completely new squad and he wants top players in every position that he goes for. How do you marry the two? It's quite obvious that you won't get twelve players in four transfer windows if your average target costs around £50m. He's chosen to go for first XI players but it's limited the amount of players he's been able to bring in. Now that's a choice he made, so IMO it's his own choices that led to him still having to put Lingard and Fosu-Mensah on the bench after a year and a half in charge.

You don't think fitness is an issue? We definitely had fitness issues at the end of Ole's first season, which is fine. Then he had a pre-season (which everyone said would be the solution to the fitness issue, me included). We then started poorly, had a huge resurgence after the turn of the year but still limped over the line last season despite an extended mid-season break and everyone blamed fatigue for our FA cup/EL semi exits and our worse performances at the end of last season. And here we are, now, still blaming external factors for the lack of fitness. Now it's lack of pre-season. Next season it'll be long-haul flights during pre-season, the season after that it'll be no travel during pre-season which means that players won't be able to cope with travelling to away games, or something.

What is obvious is that there is a mismatch in the football Ole wants them to play and the fitness regime, because the players that he trusts clearly can't cope with it because fitness issues, injuries and exacerbations of injuries (due to over-playing first XI players due to not trusting the squad) keep popping up.

We're obviously not going to agree on this since you think our fitness levels are fine compared to what they were, but if we reach any semi finals this season and crash out due to being overworked then people will just blame fatigue as if Ole didn't have the chance to buy 3-4 cheaper players this window instead of chasing Sancho all summer.
 
red4ever 79 said:
The Cavani deal has switched my vote. Zero sympathy for Ole now. If Ed is meddling in transfer as we all suspect that Ole should have had the balls to call him out or walk away.
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Why do people imagine that this type of fanfiction is something that will ever happen in the real world?

Cavani is here because Ighalo can't score goals. You dingus. He is a backup player.

The only thing I hate is the term and in part the wages, but that is not something Ole cares about, jesus christ why would he, he's not the one paying the bills.
 
Anustart89 said:
I agree that we can see what Ole wants. He wants a completely new squad and he wants top players in every position that he goes for. How do you marry the two? It's quite obvious that you won't get twelve players in four transfer windows if your average target costs around £50m. He's chosen to go for first XI players but it's limited the amount of players he's been able to bring in. Now that's a choice he made, so IMO it's his own choices that led to him still having to put Lingard and Fosu-Mensah on the bench after a year and a half in charge.

You don't think fitness is an issue? We definitely had fitness issues at the end of Ole's first season, which is fine. Then he had a pre-season (which everyone said would be the solution to the fitness issue, me included). We then started poorly, had a huge resurgence after the turn of the year but still limped over the line last season despite an extended mid-season break and everyone blamed fatigue for our FA cup/EL semi exits and our worse performances at the end of last season. And here we are, now, still blaming external factors for the lack of fitness. Now it's lack of pre-season. Next season it'll be long-haul flights during pre-season, the season after that it'll be no travel during pre-season which means that players won't be able to cope with travelling to away games, or something.

What is obvious is that there is a mismatch in the football Ole wants them to play and the fitness regime, because the players that he trusts clearly can't cope with it because fitness issues, injuries and exacerbations of injuries (due to over-playing first XI players due to not trusting the squad) keep popping up.

We're obviously not going to agree on this since you think our fitness levels are fine compared to what they were, but if we reach any semi finals this season and crash out due to being overworked then people will just blame fatigue as if Ole didn't have the chance to buy 3-4 cheaper players this window instead of chasing Sancho all summer.
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No, he don’t want new squad. Far from it. He want right players. Sometimes it will go well. Sometimes he will miss. That is why club haven’t been splashing money on players like Chelsea this window. Before he came people screamed after players for XI and when he does something about it, then it is wrong.

You really think that Corona break wasn’t an issue? Break is important. But it can also be evil wich we saw. And that is connected with the start of this year because we were forced to finish PL late, then have minibreak, play in Europe, minibreak again. Start season with one week training (some players 3 days). Fitness isn’t issue for me and you will see it more clearat after internationals. Guardiola have same problems.
 
Him and the coaches can't even organise the team. The team when on the back foot look so disorganised and all over the place. Going forward he just lets the attackers do their thing and hope for them to pull off a bit of magic. The team looks a mess.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Him and the coaches can't even organise the team. The team when on the back foot look so disorganised and all over the place. Going forward he just lets the attackers do their thing and hope for them to pull off a bit of magic. The team looks a mess.
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Ssshhhhhhhhhh. Harry Maguire though. Just sell him.
 
Abominable coaching. Fitness isn’t an excuse.
 
The defensive organization (or lack thereof) is pure coaching. The buck stops with the manager and the coaching staff.
 
Everyone will blame the bullshit red card but make no mistake, we were a shambles before it too. We don't look coached, the players don't look like they give a shit. I don't think we can sack a manager 3 games into the season but if we do persist we are in for a really tough ride.
 
I give up. Going to be a long 30 years i feel, where we win feck all. Hire a manager then sacked, then hire a different one.

Will probably cancel sky sports. Save a bit of bob.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Everyone will blame the bullshit red card but make no mistake, we were a shambles before it too. We don't look coached, the players don't look like they give a shit. I don't think we can sack a manager 3 games into the season but if we do persist we are in for a really tough ride.
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Gary Neville already is.
 
We deserve everything we get as a club as so many are happy to keep him here. He's one of the worst managers in the league. You can't just rely on having good players. Look at the difference between us and Everton.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
Abominable coaching. Fitness isn’t an excuse.
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The sending off will be the excuse even though we were getting dicked prior to that. There's always an excuse.

I may end up changing my vote back to sack him. We look a shambles at the moment.
 
It's not like this is a one off. We had a similar performance v Brighton who just weren't as good up front as Spurs are, and of course the Palace game.

Conceding 8 in 3 games to Palace, Brighton and Spurs is fecking horrific. I'm afraid Ole's not lasting long.
 
Have we reached the net spend to become obvious he’s a crap coach or we need more time?
 
Seriously, just get Poch.

If it isn't clear as day by now that Ole will never get this team anywhere then some people are just blind I guess.
 
He's not lasting past Christmas at this rate.

Mourinho's third season all over again.
 
Robbie Boy said:
The sending off will be the excuse even though we were getting dicked prior to that. There's always an excuse.

I may end up changing my vote back to sack him. We look a shambles at the moment.
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We looked shocking before the sending off that much is true. So definitely shouldn’t be used as an excuse.
 
Does it even matter? In about two seasons we'll be ask the same question of the next manager.
 
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