Pre-season: 76%
After gameweek 1: 75.3%
After gameweek 1: 75.3%
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Ole and the players deserve a lot of stick for todays performance but calling for the managers head after the first game of the season isn't reasonable. Ole has to make top 4 this season even without transfers, if not he should be replaced.
Was that tactics or because our best players all collectively had shockers? Was it on Ole supposedly not telling Pogba of the nuances of tactical periodisation and counter pressing that made him repeatedly feck up a two yard pass, or was it because he fecked up?
These are grown men we're talking about, not fecking children. It was a bad day, yes, but we've seen these guys play well before and yesterday was not that. At all. Take the loss and look to rectify it ASAP.
If we're still like this by the time we've played Spurs, then by all means Ole and the players deserve all the criticism they get, but right now the focus should be on improving and putting right the wrongs that were made.
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Just to clarify Jose was not coming off the back of winning the league at a canter the season before he joined us.
I do not see him top 4 without any more quality transfers. I see no system at all. All individual players trying. No movement at all. Did anyone see the way Palace played? How organised they were and how disorganised we were. Is anyone saying that they have better players than us? Ole does not seem to understand the numbers game. If he thinks our two midfield players can outplay their 4 midfield players then he is delusional. Palace had a plan. Ayew was dropping on Scot or Pogba whenever they had possession. Then they conceded possession and dropped in shape back to defend and counter when we lost possession. We lost a lot of possession because we did not know what to do with the ball or tried to play as individuals rather than as a team. There is no team work. This is not new team. They have playing together for sometime now. There is no coaching done at all.
My bad, the season before that then, it was still the year before he joined but if you want to be a pedant, then you do you hun.
Just make up facts if you want.
Listen, we get, you’re normally there clapping through the pain, I am myself too, but let’s not make things up to paint a prettier picture eh?
‘hun’ grow up.
Agree with absolutely everything you said, it was dogshit from top to bottom. The excuses we heard after the game just pissed me off even more but I still feel it's to early to call for heads to roll.
Why? He's a very very average manager. Average coach. Average tactician. He should have been a caretaker manager while we're sounding out a more qualified candidate. His transfers, including breaking 2 (3?) records, are middling at best. Persisting with him is just languishing in mediocrity. The only reason he's still in the job is because he's been a very excellent yes man to Ed. I guarantee you, if he's released from this job at this very moment, no other PL clubs would clamor for his signature. Let that sink in.
I say it's never too early if you're sure it's the right decision.
It can often be too late though.
I am not calling for him to be sacked today but I see no future with him at all. Suddenly he is not going to become a brilliant coach or tactician. Without any quality addition to the team he hasn't got a prayer. Look at the way we play. Either the players are deliberately disobeying him or he hasn't got a clue. It is very easy to play against us now. Deny space behind the defence and pack in the middle outside the box and break.
None of our strikers are going to win most of the 50/50 balls inn the air. They do not even bother, especially in the case of Rashford. Why can't Ole go with a diamond? It looks more solid with the current lot of players. To me he is too rigid in his ways and does not know how to manage the situation. You can be a brilliant player but not many ex players can be good coaches or see the game unfolding.
I do not know if Poch is the answer but I do know that he will get the players to play in a set way and not this disorganised way we play.
Good point.
I'm not making things up - it's all a recollection off the top of my head, if some details are wrong then fine, I can accept it.
Jeez, who would have thought a simple joke would have caused a palaaver? Loosen up my man, the season has only just started!
12 pages or so since kick off. Toxicity.
Unfortunately this is very accurate.
Some managers can very quickly impose a playing style and have their teams playing with demonstrable preparation in pattern play etc. Ole has been here almost two years and I just don’t see any signs of it, which makes me think it just isn’t something he a) sees as necessary or b) is able to do.
It will be bumped though, because Ole is a man who can only take us so far. There was a great bounce back, some fantastic football for patches but you have to stop and ask what his actual limit is.
I don't think it's harmful to discuss that to be honest.
I'm not a blind Ole soldier, I decided from day one to seperate the player from the manager. I agree that he isn't a tactician, yet to see him adapt tactically in a single game which is pretty frightening now that I think about it. You may very well be right that he's not the man to take us forward but I still feel he deserves the same leeway as his predecessors, make top 4 or go.
It is very rare that you get managers who can accept that they are wrong and need to change. SAF was one of them. The reason why Pep has not won the CL is that he is also like that and cannot accept that he could be wrong. But with him at least he has a style and he tries to stick to it. Klopp in his first year found that his pressing all the time, does not work in the PL and he changed his style. Most managers are just ex football players who have done coaching courses. The people who conduct there courses are not brilliant people anyway. The style they try to play is all fashion. Now pressing is the fashion. Someone else will try something else and he will win and they will change it to that way a few years down the line.
We do not need to play out from the back. The basic idea is to keep possession so the opposing team cannot score and for us to score more than they do. You do not have to play out from the back all the time to do that. Players need to know what to do when they do not have the ball. I do not think United is coached that way. By watching the way we play I cannot see that on the pitch on a match day. When we win most of the time, it is due to an individual player or a couple of players.
Toxicity is what those embarrassing clowns put up today on that pitch, not meaningless words spoken in a forum. Imagine making the money those imposters are making not to mention the great history of our club and all the great men who have worn our shirt in the past accompanied with poor SAF sitting in the stands watching and they put up performances like that time and time again. That's what I call toxicity.
Don't know who, but we must get another coach a.s.a.p. perhaps Poch at least his teams play the right way and Ole is way out of his depth and he and his team are just not capable of sorting things.
For f**k sake what are they doing in training ? Regardless of the fact we finished 3rd, the writing in large letters was on the wall last season. No apparent system, no balance and very little pace in anything we do. You can see the confidence draining away match after match. It was blatantly obvious last season that our CB's are as much use as a chocolate fireguard and until these two muppets are replaced it's a complete waste of time and money buying anyone else. Maguire and Lindelöf are no better or worse than Smalling and Jones, I bet all the PL strikers can't wait to play against us, I'm in my seventies and I would beat both of these two over 25 yards. I really feel sorry for David with these two dummies in front of him. If Ole thinks signing mid-fielders' and front men is the answer it speaks volumes about his suitability to manage/coach Utd.
Now I know they were in the Championship but when Tuanzebe was on loan at Villa alongside Mings they were a superb fit and when Axel returned I was of the opinion and hoping we would go in for Mings at the same time after all his heading is on a par with Maguire and he is twice as fast. We missed out on Van Dyke when he was in Scotland and at Southampton and look where he is now, have we got any decent scouts? It appears we are not even looking for CB's even though the need sticks out like a sore thumb every match and going for Mings now would be sensible. Why is it our transfer dealings seem to take forever to complete if and when they are completed ? Please will some one give Woodward Villa's contact number.
For f**k sake what are they doing in training ? Regardless of the fact we finished 3rd, the writing in large letters was on the wall last season. No apparent system, no balance and very little pace in anything we do. You can see the confidence draining away match after match. It was blatantly obvious last season that our CB's are as much use as a chocolate fireguard and until these two muppets are replaced it's a complete waste of time and money buying anyone else. Maguire and Lindelöf are no better or worse than Smalling and Jones, I bet all the PL strikers can't wait to play against us, I'm in my seventies and I would beat both of these two over 25 yards. I really feel sorry for David with these two dummies in front of him. If Ole thinks signing mid-fielders' and front men is the answer it speaks volumes about his suitability to manage/coach Utd.
Now I know they were in the Championship but when Tuanzebe was on loan at Villa alongside Mings they were a superb fit and when Axel returned I was of the opinion and hoping we would go in for Mings at the same time after all his heading is on a par with Maguire and he is twice as fast. We missed out on Van Dyke when he was in Scotland and at Southampton and look where he is now, have we got any decent scouts? It appears we are not even looking for CB's even though the need sticks out like a sore thumb every match and going for Mings now would be sensible. Why is it our transfer dealings seem to take forever to complete if and when they are completed ? Please will some one give Woodward Villa's contact number.
What happens if we do not beat Brighton in our next game?
We're in for another tough battle for top 4 and it'd be hugely alarming.
We won't, nothing will change. Unless the players turn their back on Ole which is highly unlikely he will stay here until the end of the season.
Then we'll sack him and start the whole rebuild again, its clear as day he's not the man to take us forward insisting on him is just wasting time but now its too late to sack him. Should have happened at the end of last season.
I already think we are in a tough battle for top 4 even if we beat Brighton. From what I have seen so far, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Everton had better performances than us. City play on Monday and with Bale and the left back from Real I would like to see how Spurs perform. Arteta and Lampard are not proven at this level but all the others have won the CL and other top leagues already. So there are 4 managers who have won the top leagues and the CL already.
He talks a good game.
Dumb post that adds nothing to the conversation. Twitter speak to virtue signal.
I laughed at Leeds defence that concedes goals left, right, center. Tonight I realise that we are no better. And Leed is much better than us in attacking. Leed is much more entertaining to watch and they play modern attacking football with relentless pressing.
Leed is on shoestring budget and yet Ole is so far behind them in term of style of play. Ole can't solve our problem by keep asking for 100m RW or 80m CB. We need a better manager with good tactics and able to transform player with their system. We can't just keep spending money but playing worse than Crystal Palace.
Leed is on shoestring budget and yet Ole is so far behind them in term of style of play. Ole can't solve our problem by keep asking for 100m RW or 80m CB. We need a better manager with good tactics and able to transform player with their system. We can't just keep spending money but playing worse than Crystal Palace.
No point sacking a manager until Woodward is gone.
His time is done here first. He has failed long enough now & he shouldn't get a free ride. Let a new guy pick a new manager.
His time is done here first. He has failed long enough now & he shouldn't get a free ride. Let a new guy pick a new manager.
We are not a worse team than Leeds. fecking hell the knee jerk is insane with this one.
He is not going to get sacked as long as The Glazers own the club. The manager can be changed though. Woodward should be blamed for not getting quality players. Woodward cannot be blamed for this defeat. We have more than enough quality players to beat Palace at home. We should not be getting thrashed and outplayed by Palace at OT.
We are 1 game in and the transfer window isn't closed.
Not the time for people to panic, we are not very far off being an excellent team.
It hurts right now, but we have the right man for the job, I think the problems are a bit higher up the chain at the moment.
Not the time for people to panic, we are not very far off being an excellent team.
It hurts right now, but we have the right man for the job, I think the problems are a bit higher up the chain at the moment.
I don't think so. Everybody keeps focusing on the Glazers when they clearly use Woodward as their face.
Stop targeting the glazers and target Woodward by himself. The glazers will feel the pressure one day just as much as pressure may be felt on a managers back as on his.
I totally get that Ole isnt the one. However, absolutely crap all is going to change whilst Woodward is above them. Since Ole is an ex legend maybe we try to utilise this chance to put the pressure on Woodward.
Literally every single manager we burst the cash on non CL qualification seasons & nothing once we qualify. They complain and struggle and get sacked. New manager and some fans are happy and excited. Woodward and Glazers get money & I guess so are they.
In term of style of play we are definitely worse. It's boring watching our game yesterday. For Leed, they scored 7 goals in their last 2 league games.
I know that we will finish higher than Leed and that's a given with the money we spent. Then again we finished 2nd with Jose and that was one of the most boring season ever.
This is a good point. I don't know if the Glazers even care about fan pressure though.
I don't think the strong rhetoric on either side is helping and some of the criticism of Ole is over the top at this stage. He's a man who was managing Molde on 500k a year who was offered the Manchester United job and 7.5mil a year (a 1500% payrise). Even without factoring his place in this club's history, nobody is going to turn down that kind of offer regardless of situation. Similarly, nobody's in Ole's shoes is going to walk away from this job voluntarily. It's not like Klopp, Pep or even Jose, where they can fail and be assured that they'll land in another cushy job. Realistically, this is Ole's singular chance at earning this type of pay at a job like this, so nobody should begrudge him for staying and trying to make it work.
That being said, I may be naive here but I'm not sure I understand the logic behind insisting that Ole is the right man for the job while pointing to Woodward and the Glazers as the reason he's not successful. I agree that our CEO and our owners are incompetent but that's not anything that's solvable. Neither Woodward nor the Glazers are going anywhere soon and none of those folks are going to be suddenly enlightened on how to run a football club. If you're saying that Ole's been dealt a bad hand, or that he's been hung out to dry by Woodward and Joel Glazer...I don't disagree, but part of his remit and the remit of anyone who takes the job is to succeed in spite of Woodward and the Glazers. If he can't overcome the inadequacies of Ed and team, then the club is better off moving on ASAP to the next candidate.
That being said, I may be naive here but I'm not sure I understand the logic behind insisting that Ole is the right man for the job while pointing to Woodward and the Glazers as the reason he's not successful. I agree that our CEO and our owners are incompetent but that's not anything that's solvable. Neither Woodward nor the Glazers are going anywhere soon and none of those folks are going to be suddenly enlightened on how to run a football club. If you're saying that Ole's been dealt a bad hand, or that he's been hung out to dry by Woodward and Joel Glazer...I don't disagree, but part of his remit and the remit of anyone who takes the job is to succeed in spite of Woodward and the Glazers. If he can't overcome the inadequacies of Ed and team, then the club is better off moving on ASAP to the next candidate.
I agree with you that he needs to go. But I do not think The Glazers would sack him.
I agree with you that he is not going to walk away from a well paid job that he would never ever get. I agree that he has being hung out to dry too. But that does not negate the fact that he had enough quality players to beat a team like Crystal Palace. Nothing we saw today suggests that he can get to the CL spot this season even with Sancho added and most probably Sancho is not coming. He would be a bloody fool to come to United.
This misses one critical factor - the Glazers do not give a shite about supporter pressure. They were barricaded inside the ground by supporters before they even completed their takeover/theft of the club & only got out in police vans, these are not people that give a monkeys about anything other than their dollars.
Well again I wouldn't give a crap if someone told me not to buy a house I was looking at for so many years that makes me alot of money. (Glazers)
However, if I was forced to sack a long term friend who has been living with me just to keep my business running a little better then I'm more inclined to do it. (Woodward)
That's why I think there is a difference to this get glazers out because nothing is happening until someone comes with money. However, literally anybody can do anything if we decide to target woodward- literally manipulate the damn media to make Woodward look worse than he even is to the club to the point that he needs to be sacked.
We as a fan base need to create a separation between Woodward & Glazers by targeting Woodward only. If we target Glazers we are nothing more than the annoying scum that wanted them to not buy the damn place in the first place.
Hell we can make it even bad so that Woodward himself feels the pressure of the job but he feels jack shit. He just gets a new managers every 2.5 years and does his accounting work behind the scenes.
Sorry to hear about your loss. Utd has ruined my accumulators for the entire game week as well amounting up to £500.That was shockingly bad. And it cost me £800
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