I thought it was quite obvious to be fair
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I thought it was quite obvious to be fair
Sorry don’t agree on AWB. For his first season he’s posted up reasonable attacking stats. Even yesterday people moaned about that cross but if we had a poacher gambling they would have gobbled that up.
No, no it doesn't. In what way is them having a shot or two blocked misleading? We also had several shots blocked. We had almost 3x as many attempts. We also hit the post 4 times. We also had a marginal offside call go against us. We also had a genuine penalty claim turned down. Your attempt to suggest that those precious few shots they had blocked by our defenders doing their job somehow makes the game closer than it was is the actual attempt to mislead here.In that case, the use of 'shots on target' doesn't tell the full story and is used misleading in this case to represent how much we 'dominated' them then isn't it?
Did they have a few limited good chances towards our goal or got into our box more comfortably that we wanted? Yes.
Did we make fecking hard work of those 14 chances on target? Yes.
Should the players take responsibility for the finishing? Yes.
Do I think Ole has shown some consistent deficiencies enough to call him out it? Yes.
Does that mean I think he has been terrible for us? No.
Why is it so black and white for some you and being so defensive?
Look at some of the recent replies, who basically say the same things. We are not are well coached as we can be; no more no less to that statement.
You GENUINELY said they had more class on the ball than us tonight. Just let that sink in. A game in which is dominated both in possession and chances created by a considerable margin. And to justify it you claim the 'shots on target' stat is misleading. Their keeper set a record for the amount of saves in match for crying out loud. If we won that game by 4/5 goals no on would've bat an eyelid. There's a reason people are being 'defensive.' it's because it's the biggest load of nonsense agenda post we've read on here all week.
He says, then proceeds to offer no single stat to back that up. Go ahead and offer up those stats bud.
What this thread demonstrates is there are plenty of people out there that has an inability to admit when they are wrong, and will massively overreact to a game in order to try and 'save face.' If their keeper didn't have the game of his life, setting a record for saves, or we didn't have an affair with his right post, do you think we would be having this discussion right now? If our finishing was sharper and we scored 4/5 goals, which was just as likely as scoring 1; do you think we would be having this discussion?
Yes just like LVG and Mourinho were able to.
I kind of get what you’re saying, but we have to remember these are minnows on bad form, it wasn’t Watford at home in the Premier League. We were never in danger and would have equalized if they went one up with that chance they had after some silky play... but the game was a tactical wreck. We were 11 better players against 11 weaker players and in the end it showed, but the lacking calmness and erratic attacking play shows us how little is implemented from training. A win is a win, but still worrying. I am not very concerned about Sevilla or Inter, because they will give us more room and we will score more easily (which is ironic of course), but we really should have killed that game in the first half by showing superior attacking play and skill. We didn’t, we gave them an opportunity to bite and they took it immediately.
I honestly can't think of a reason to fire Ole and this just cements it.
Imagine trying to argue otherwise.
It's pathetic.
Start the post with "top red nonsense" and then in the same line talk about good discussion
Both sides are as bad as each other, you find one side acceptable as they want Ole out.
It's seriously disturbing that ¼ of United fans still vote Sack Ole end of season & appoint new coach ASAP
My flabber has never been so gasted.
My flabber has never been so gasted.
I don't think many are. Less than a quarter of people who have responded to the poll want him gone and it's essentially just a few dissenting voices in the actual discussion.
This thread/poll has never reflected the fanbase as a whole.
Yeah I know, even if the near 25% include rival fans, confirmed idiots, and those who still believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy it's still high.
The result definitely has a bearing.
If the keeper had a howler and we were 2 nil up at half-time with the same level of performance and application there'd be tumble weed in here.
This is why I don't believe a lot of it is fair and objective criticism and I consider some of them to be arguing in bad faith.
Bumped because on another night when Superman isn’t in goals we win 5-0
So, Copenhagen had more class on the ball ... moving us from side to side and creating ... zero shots on target.
Critical analysis is right. Maybe, OverlyCriticalAnalysis could be a new name? Or, HarshAnalysis? Or maybe, DownrightIncorrectAnalysis?
Have you ever wondered why? This is Manutd and we have alot of other fans who hate us. They produce memes and stuff about Manutd, the manager and the players, which alot of fans then start believing.
Rivals will do that, they don't watch us every game like we do. It is staggering the amount of United fans that don't actually understand the game.
They will say appoint another coach, when asked whom? they will say Poch, Nagglesman, Tuchel. The reason they want Ole gone is he cannot win trophies, but I have not seen the other managers win much, if anything.
Since lockdown, P13, W9, D3, L1.
I'd be interested to see if you could find me 1 club in the top 5 European leagues who has had a better post lockdown record?
If only Pogba hadn't been isolated! These guys are clearly clueless. It's amazing. AWB, Shaw are shit and give us no attacking help according to everyone here, Matic drops too deep, Bruno is too far forward, Pogba is isolated, Rashford apparently is Championship level (I saw some beauty stating in one of the threads yesterday), we've no tactics and the "worst manager of all time" managing us ... yet, somehow we've the best record in the top 5 leagues since lockdown.
This thread beggars belief.
Anyone still think he's ruthless?
I began to doubt again.. would be great if he just mercilessly use Lingard for the remaining time he's here and not extend his contract <-- I'm not confident at all.
And...
I want Ole to succeed but the same problems of the first half of this season resurface again.
Not seeing any signs of improvements nor attempts to solve it so far..
18/19 - 433 with Pogba freely attacks, low blocks are not a problem.
19/20 - 4231 is not a problem vs low blocks only when Bruno is in good form. No Bruno and 4231 even with Pogba is useless.
I began to doubt again.. would be great if he just mercilessly use Lingard for the remaining time he's here and not extend his contract <-- I'm not confident at all.
And...
I want Ole to succeed but the same problems of the first half of this season resurface again.
Not seeing any signs of improvements nor attempts to solve it so far..
18/19 - 433 with Pogba freely attacks, low blocks are not a problem.
19/20 - 4231 is not a problem vs low blocks only when Bruno is in good form. No Bruno and 4231 even with Pogba is useless.
Oh for God sake. I love this kind of arrogant thinking. Despite 6 odd years of complete and utter squad mismanagement since Fergie left us, we should immediately be qualifying for finals. What a joke.
It really was! It was a fabulous post. When I saw the first response to it, my eyebrow was raised. I couldn't believe it as I read on, the number of people who didn't get it.
The second half of the season has been a step in the right direction but certainly not worthy of rapturous joy. Ole's goal is to get us back on our perch and he's said as much regularly. We're not Arsenal.
No one's saying there should be rapturous joy.
If a lack of relentless negativity is rapturous joy then it just goes to show how toxic this place gotten
No one's saying there should be rapturous joy.
If a lack of relentless negativity is rapturous joy then it just goes to show how toxic this place gotten
Yeah that's a fair point!
I don't think there has been rapturous joy. I think there has been cautious optimism from a lot of us. My own personal thinking is, if he shows progress again next year, we stick with him. I don't see a title challenge next year, personally. We're too far away still. Don't have the squad for it. But if we cement ourselves in top 4 and have a good run in a cup or two, all the while cutting more of the dross, more good signings, more attacking play ... I'm happy.
There's too much short term-ism in football these days in my opinion. Needless to say, if we stagnate / regress, then I'd be thinking differently.
But no, I've not seen rapturous joy.
But the state of this thread, and the other Ole one? It's incredible. If we don't win a game comfortably you just know there's pages and pages coming in these threads. It's pathetic.
Actually, there is rapturous joy. There's rapturous joy from the naysayers who can come in and whinge when it happens. You can tell, gleeful. "I told you." "Tactically inept". "Low block". "No attacking football". "No plan." etc etc.
Okay Paul Ince.
True. And if doing analysis maybe how well organised and how few goals Copenhagen let past them should be taken into account.
like Fernandes says. It was a though game. It was, but we won. And if we are talking about “feelings” mine were we are playing better than the last premier games and are on the up.
I think sacking Ole is unthinkable right now and would be a clear sign of madness. Are we where we want to be? No, but I have more concerns over Woodward than Ole to be honest when it comes to getting there. Maybe I am overstating things and am being too dispassionate about it but there are clear shoots of recovery, we are not close to the finished article but we have a bit of an identity back and Ole has bought himself more time at the very least. We need to cement ourselves as a top four club next season and not be scraping in on the last day again and show some more consistency. Will we be able to challenge Klopp and Pep for the league under Ole? Not at the moment but the signs are we on the right track.
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I think pro or negative Ole fans will all agree it's doubtful we will challange for the title for the coming season.
The ones who want him gone believe that can change with a new manager hence their attitude.
I actually agree that he might not be the man to win us titles but I'm enjoying the football and seeing players like martial improve.
Ole deserves one more season just for making some sort of progress. People need to be patient and enjoy the football.
Maybe Ole doesn't win with us but gets the team ready for the next manager as apposed to another "rebuild". Rushing things didn't help us before and won't help us now.
The ones who want him gone believe that can change with a new manager hence their attitude.
I actually agree that he might not be the man to win us titles but I'm enjoying the football and seeing players like martial improve.
Ole deserves one more season just for making some sort of progress. People need to be patient and enjoy the football.
Maybe Ole doesn't win with us but gets the team ready for the next manager as apposed to another "rebuild". Rushing things didn't help us before and won't help us now.
Good post. Especially the last paragraph.
Yes, I believe you would. Like you said, posters will cling to anything to try to save face. Listen, I criticise Ole more than most, but I want him to do well and I’d be absolutely thrilled if he won the league or the champions league next season — which would prove me wrong as I’m not sure if he’s the one to take us right to the very top again.
Though I really like the work that he has done with our squad: he has improved most of our team, created a real team spirit, no nonsense approach to players that aren’t good enough to be here but the key is he’s done it in a quiet manner with a lot of pressure on him. We’re also massively turned it rounds since end of January which gives me confidence that next time results will go south — they’ll pick up again. For me, that’s enough to see where and how far he can take us. He deserves that on merit.
Also agree on the keeper, he was outstanding. They’re are team that are very organised too. Personally, I always thought it would be a difficult game because we’ve essentially playing another game and they’re playing the game of their lives. The heat was ridiculous. Just various things that could have made it a real banana skin for us.
Ole has won 50 out of his first 89 games as manager - the second best in the all-time Man Utd list, behind Jose.
Which is all the more remarkable when you consider that he hasn't been backed anywhere near as much as Jose was and the issues he has with this limited squad.
Which is all the more remarkable when you consider that he hasn't been backed anywhere near as much as Jose was and the issues he has with this limited squad.
They stats have been reasonable but I don’t see him being an attacking threat to be honest. There are times in the game where he has so much space in front of him and he does nothing with it, I almost want to throw my remote through the tv. He gets the ball where he can in space of 3-4 seconds move the ball up the pitch 15-20 yards and he almost never does it. That would improve our play so much. It would make us more fluid and faster in attack.
There is also no intricate play between him and Greenwood or James or Mata. Just no one. It’s recycling possession at its most basic. I don’t know maybe I’m expecting too much of him but in my opinion he should be able to play in RW into space and vice versa couple a time’s a game. Again, I really hope I’m wrong on this one but I feel like he’s our weakest link our strongest starting XI.
Ole hasn't been backed ???
What?
Would you care to explain how much did Maguire, Wan Bissaka, James, Bruno cost?
Cause I think that Pogba, Zlatan, Micky and Bailey cost much less. Also Jose didnt have a winter transfer.
So the myth that Ole hasn't been backed is pure fiction for the Ole fanboys
Eveb Opposition player is recognizing the work Ole is doing at United. And here we have some fans who want him sacked.
Learn to read, please - the crucial clause in that sentence was "anywhere near as much as Jose did". Jose's incomings that summer you mentioned was over £180m, with no major outgoings to recoup any of that outlay. Ole's summer signings comparatively cost £145m, with over half of that being recouped through the sales of Lukaku - so yes, he didn't get backed anywhere near as much as Jose did.
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