3+ goals would have done it. Lets do basic math. Any goal for Leicester vs. us is +1 GD and -1 GD for us, which is a 2 goal swing. If we had won by 2 goals today, we would be +30 GD and LC +28. If Leicester wins by 1 goal, it would be tied on GD and Leicester gets into top 4.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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3+ goals would have done it. Lets do basic math. Any goal for Leicester vs. us is +1 GD and -1 GD for us, which is a 2 goal swing. If we had won by 2 goals today, we would be +30 GD and LC +28. If Leicester wins by 1 goal, it would be tied on GD and Leicester gets into top 4.
To be fair winning 2-1 changed nothing as Leicester have to beat us either way and we'd only have a one goal advantage.
I think they played safe in the end as we can at least draw and qualify now.
The state of this post. If you think Ole has done a wonderful job i don't know what to tell you mate.
This depth and rotation argument is just an excuse. We are not competing against Liverpool or City. We are competing against Chelsea and Leicester. Both teams have even less depth and have just as many holes in the squad as us. There's no excuse for Chelsea or Leicester finishing above us, none.
None of them played for us.
The players that are totally fatigued because he has overplayed? or which players? This is on Ole, he has shown no squad managment skills, he has run the same players to the ground until they can't perform how the should. Bruno's performance today was dreadful.
Can only do squad rotation if you have a squad you can rotate
3 goalls wouldn't have done it as they would have gone above us by beating us by 2 clear goals as we'd lose two of our difference leaving them 1 goal ahead.
They could beat us by 2.
If they hired Ole instead of Moyes they would have went down. But he’s Manchester United manager.
I actually did have a brain fart with that one
I wasn't taking away goals we'd conceded
A draw and the thread adds 6-7 pages within half an hour of the FT whistle. Good going lads
I think what have me worried is us getting worse next season. Top 4 is going to get harder and I am not sure he is improving what we got that much.
Add the short summer break and we could struggle.
Add the short summer break and we could struggle.
There are lot of people that just wait for any slip up. Jealousy. Hatred. This is just a mirror of society nowdays. Sadly.
It is. We would still need a draw on Sunday regardless.
People having it both ways, they say every single player Ole brought its a success, say he improved Fred and McTominay massively. But when asked to rotate, he doesnt have a squad theyre all shit.
Say what you will about Mourinho... he wouldn't be sitting in his seat chilling with five minutes to go during a battle for a Champions League spot.
Ole's players looked like they were playing with about the same sense of urgency.
It's nice that they are relaxed and the morale is better... but maybe we could platoon the manager with someone with some fire, for games like this.
Ole's players looked like they were playing with about the same sense of urgency.
It's nice that they are relaxed and the morale is better... but maybe we could platoon the manager with someone with some fire, for games like this.
This isn’t a specific reaction to the West Ham game, but unless he sorts out his in game management, I can never get fully behind him.
Appreciate the squad is not where he wants out to be, but waiting till the 80th minute to try and change the flow of the game (which he has done in far too many games this season) is the sign of someone hoping for the best, rather than forcing the issue.
This game on Sunday is crying out for some big men to lump it to...
Appreciate the squad is not where he wants out to be, but waiting till the 80th minute to try and change the flow of the game (which he has done in far too many games this season) is the sign of someone hoping for the best, rather than forcing the issue.
This game on Sunday is crying out for some big men to lump it to...
Solskjaer remaining or leaving should not depend on one game. If he's the right manager and taking us the right way, he should stay even if we don't finish top 4. If he's not the right manager, he should be gone even if he beats Leicester.
I hope United have the sense to see beyind finishing fourth by a point or fifth by a point.
Yet he shipped out our second best - key word here defensive CB , Smalling who would have added 3 or 4 points by his ability to win aerial duels that Lindelof does not and his recovery pace and yes we now see why a player like Declan Rice is so perfect for United, let’s get rid of the deadwood and make 5 top quality signings And bring back Smalling
Out - P Jones , Lingard, B Willians not good enough, T Fosu Mensah, J Mata , A Sánchez, V Lindelof, O Idgho Should get £75M for that lot
And Buy Koulibaly, D Alaba or B Chillwell , E Cavani ( Free) , D Rice, J Grealish and J Sancho £300m
that’s what’s needed !!!
He shouldn't get a team like ours perform so incredibly bad against the likes of fecking West Ham.
Same as early season, if we manage to get into CL, then he should stay. Otherwise, he should get the boot.
He has improved some players, but his squad management is abysmal.
He has improved some players, but his squad management is abysmal.
He had the opportunity to rotate against Chelsea based on which players actually needed a rest the most, and he completely failed to. He had the opportunity to use the subs bench tonight and, like in most other matches, he underused his subs and waited past the 80th minute when the outcome was already decided.
Bruno and Rashford's performances are largely on Ole not giving them a minute's rest.
Bruno and Rashford's performances are largely on Ole not giving them a minute's rest.
Pathetic in game manager. Never seen such static manager for decades of watching football and I have seen worse. Luck favours the brave and in top club the manager needs to be more brave in decision making during the game. Show some spine Ole.
He is doing fine job on cleaning out players and recruitment but defense coaching and in game management has remained lot to desire.
Defense also, I personally believe this lot is not that bad. We lack structure between defense and midfield to move the ball around effectively. Most of the time I feel it is up to individual and not the well oiled system...which is causing many errors and invite every tom dick and harry to come and press us. Not good at all. Many managers with much less talented defenders do much better.
He is doing fine job on cleaning out players and recruitment but defense coaching and in game management has remained lot to desire.
Defense also, I personally believe this lot is not that bad. We lack structure between defense and midfield to move the ball around effectively. Most of the time I feel it is up to individual and not the well oiled system...which is causing many errors and invite every tom dick and harry to come and press us. Not good at all. Many managers with much less talented defenders do much better.
Really odd decision to start Fosu-Mensah who's bang average, in fact, championship standard.
Agree. Any analyst who predicted a 10th finish should loose their jobs. If we look at the squads. City and Pool have better squads than us. Spurs you can argue their 11 might be a tad better but they also lack depth. As far as Chelsea, Leicester and Arsenal, we have a better team and depth than those squads. No CL is a failure
He’s a bottler. Surprised he took off Rashford.
That's excusing poor errors from players who are seasoned pros. Pogba hasn't looked tired, he's looked like he can't be half arsed in this last 3 games.
AWB was carrying a knock and TFM played well.
What on Earth are you blabbing on about. Stop being a drama queen.
Nobody hates Ole, Nobody’s jealous.
He’s just not a very good manager and we can do better.
Ole has improved our squad immeasurably - the problem remains that we have a lot of younger players that are inevitably inconsistent, we also lack any quality beyond our first 11 so we can't rotate and can't keep players hungry and in fear of losing their place if performances drop.
Top 4 finish and the club backing Ole in the summer, with 3-4 quality players would put the club on a great platform to progress.
Ole is a young Manager and he's learning still, which many will say is wrong to learn at a big club. But Van Gaal and Mourinho were two of the most experienced managers imaginable and they both failed under the pressure at United.
Ole deserves time and backing. It's only online I hear fans wanting him out. In Manchester among match going fans everyone I come across wants him to be given time and support.
Top 4 finish and the club backing Ole in the summer, with 3-4 quality players would put the club on a great platform to progress.
Ole is a young Manager and he's learning still, which many will say is wrong to learn at a big club. But Van Gaal and Mourinho were two of the most experienced managers imaginable and they both failed under the pressure at United.
Ole deserves time and backing. It's only online I hear fans wanting him out. In Manchester among match going fans everyone I come across wants him to be given time and support.
You think he doesn’t want Champions League?
If that’s the case, why doesn’t the manager drop him?
Fred & McTominay have shown vs Spurs, Norwich, Southampton, Palace (McTominay) & Chelsea (Fred) that they can’t be trusted. Also the offer nothing from the bench when we’re going for a win, I don’t think Lingard has a prem goal or assist this season, Mata should have been let go at the end of last season, which leaves Ighalo who’s only going to be as good as the service into him
TFM played well? Thought he was bang average. He was sloppy on the ball and kept giving away freekicks in dangerous positions. AWB was much better in the second half, even with a knock.
He's not played all year then playes about 10 games in a few weeks. Of course he's going to be tired.
But trying to see it through was his in game management. West Ham rarely threatened David. They had a lot of the ball at the halfway line but thats where we backed off them.
Its the law of diminishing returns. If we went for the win, a 1 goal victory does little for us but if we get caught on the counter its a disaster. Pushing players forward wasnt worth the risk.
Maybe we can keep possession a little bit better but we did that in the first half with no cutting edge. The second half had the same mentality but with less of the ball.
When things go well, we fly; when we stumble, we can't get up. A manager that floats with the wave. Or sinks.
He's done very well in the first games after the restart, but once we slipped we struggle greatly and can't get back to winning. Same as at the end of last season, same as in the middle of this season.
I don't even know if I want him out or not, to be honest. He improved the mood around the club greatly and raised some players' game to new levels. But he is also often out of his depth.
We are in a decent position now, but let's not forget that this season is a season where every club bar Liverpool and City were trash. Even if we win the last game we will end up with a record low of points in the PL era. In a season where we spent 200M pounds on players, no less...
Do we have a future with him?
He's done very well in the first games after the restart, but once we slipped we struggle greatly and can't get back to winning. Same as at the end of last season, same as in the middle of this season.
I don't even know if I want him out or not, to be honest. He improved the mood around the club greatly and raised some players' game to new levels. But he is also often out of his depth.
We are in a decent position now, but let's not forget that this season is a season where every club bar Liverpool and City were trash. Even if we win the last game we will end up with a record low of points in the PL era. In a season where we spent 200M pounds on players, no less...
Do we have a future with him?
You think the people being critical are jealous of Ole? That makes no sense.
Depth isn’t good enough. Today, my only criticism is the late subs. Ighalo should have been on sooner. Midfield needed freshening up too.
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