People still saying he isn't a good manager and plays negative football which is clearly BS.
Pep clearly can't work out how to beat Ole yet he never had any trouble with Jose so Ole is doing something different
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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People still saying he isn't a good manager and plays negative football which is clearly BS.
Pep clearly can't work out how to beat Ole yet he never had any trouble with Jose so Ole is doing something different
4-5 years of playing the likes of Valencia and Young at FB, Pereira and nearly 200 games for Lingard and expecting different results.
The slow (and risky) transformation away from that has been so positive. It was average, but it eas I think there are still some questions, but it can’t be understated how well he has done in transitioning away from the safe and mundane at great risk to his reputation.
It remains to be seen whether he will be the best manager yet post-fergie, but he will have certainly left us in the best position for the future.
I think I am all but convinced on another season. The change in the mindset and makeup of the squad is startling.
The slow (and risky) transformation away from that has been so positive. It was average, but it eas I think there are still some questions, but it can’t be understated how well he has done in transitioning away from the safe and mundane at great risk to his reputation.
It remains to be seen whether he will be the best manager yet post-fergie, but he will have certainly left us in the best position for the future.
I think I am all but convinced on another season. The change in the mindset and makeup of the squad is startling.
People on here were calling him our worst manager ever a few months back.
Felt like a lonely voice on here asking to keep Ole.
Honestly can't stand football fans sometimes. Worst thing about this sport.
Felt like a lonely voice on here asking to keep Ole.
Honestly can't stand football fans sometimes. Worst thing about this sport.
I am so happy for him. I hope he does the same in our future matches too.
It's utterly ridiculous to slate him today. He got everything spot on today.
It's utterly ridiculous to slate him today. He got everything spot on today.
Preach. It turned very childish in here, whilst some posters had some very good points for both sides. But let’s atleast enjoy the win.. we needed the 3 points and even better being the opposition!!
Yes it could be.
So as of now I can only judge him on where we were when he took over versus now. With things I care about
Connection to players and club
Signings
Sales
Youth development
Player improvement
My own sense he has a vision and plan
Style/identity
In all of these categories I would say we are infinitely better, albeit not as much on some as others.
Replacing him in summer would be a dreadful move unless we tail off like last season
No manager we have had has done that..
Nothing has changed ?
Did we only win against big teams in the last 11 games ? We did not.
I wonder what you guys are on about.
You need to wake up.
Yes there are. Pep, Klopp, Poch. We seem to get these kind of results pretty regularly under OGS but it does seem like the team is one dimensional. Its valid to be concerned about that as to win a title, we need to be better than that. That said, he seems to be very effective in these kinds of games.
Hopefully. But he has been a manager for several years now. I'm just not convinced that he is the best we can get.
Raise your hand if you dont think that fans who disagree with you are fake supporters looking to cause trouble and (somehow) undermine United with their negative waves (as if questioning posts on the caf have any effect at all).
I´m a bit confused now, since your original argument was his lack of experience. Nonetheless, you´d have to judge him for the job he´s actually doing at club. To say that he should be sacked because of the things he hadn´t done before he was hired, is a bit strange.
Football is about patient, many fans here want instant result, Ole is not a superman.
This thread should have been shreded, buried, blown up and shot out to space. Your current manager could not BE more commited to United. How about showing him the same respect?
Brilliant win, still not sold he's the right man for the position....we looked decent but both goals were flukes.
this is why I'll still back Ole even if we miss out on CL this season. If those things are cemented then CL, PL challenge and trophies will come in time.
Still think there's better managers out there, but credit to him. We look much better lately.
He has excelled in most of those points:
Connection to players and club: Everyone talks positively about him, the players, the board "laying foundation for Ole to succeed", so he must be doing something right there...
Signings: AWB, Maguire, Bruno, James all had a fantastic game yesterday (albeit James could have looked up for better options..) and generally AWB and Maguire have been one of the best players for us this season, Bruno already making a mark.. Odion has been positive with every cameo so far as well..
Sales: Got rid of that fat tank up front with that excuse of a first touch (imagine him yesterday on the counter...), got rid of Mr. High Wage, got rid of Captain Cashley, Rojo, etc... progressive clearout, long way to go but we are definitely in the right direction in the clear-out so far...
Youth Development: Williams and Greenwood have been quite remarkable this season and in queue we have other exciting names waiting...
Player improvement: FRED! What a turnaround, Ole kept the faith in him, pushed him to do more and look what a season Fred is having. Martial looks better this season, already equaling his best season tally (although I expect more from him at times), Rashford looks better and more dangerous, Shaw, Matic, McTominay....
Vision and Plan: This season we have given a fair opportunity to ALL of the players of the squad in case fans here did not notice, it has been perfect to give the manager an idea about who will stay and who will leave. I was watching MOTD and Jenas sais something very interesting like: Before United used to put a first 11 "hoping" they would have a good game and that the formation works, whereas now they have a squad with belief today and that is so true.
People nag about defensive tactics etc, but this is respecting the opponent and acknowledging our limitation, we are still lacking players in some areas so we cannot play on the front foot or go toe-to-toe against better sides (like City game). City only have one style of play and we have the perfect style to counter it so why not use it? Against the weaker sides we have pushed teams lately and had good possession against them.
Style/Identity: The squad mix is quite good, academy players: Rashford, McTominay, Greenwood, Williams already part of the first-team squad, experienced players in Matic, Maguire, Fred, Bruno, Lindelof, Ighalo, Romero.. world class players in Pogba (I don't like him but he's a Man United player for now) and De Gea. Pretty much like the way we have always lined up in SAF days, we do need an upgrade on some players and to continue the clear-out, but the synergy in the squad is really starting to show since we got Bruno, huge impact on the state of the squad honestly and you can't but be excited for the coming games because with the returns of Pogba and Rashford we can only get better...
Overall the season has had so many ups-and-downs but it is not over yet so let us stick behind the team and see how far we can go. We have a chance of Top4/3 finish, EL and the cup, so our season is not over yet.
Backed the guy since forever but yesterday was the Camel that broke the Straws back, and i'm not joking!
What about the PSG win? What broke?
Pep failed to do it with the side he inherited! Klopp needed time as well to make it his side and same goes for Poch. As I'm saying, there aren't many managers who can perform magic with big teams and smaller ones
Great result, a shame chelsea won too. Not gonna get carried away yet, but if he continues like this and delivers CL and maybe some silverware he's earned another season.
Earned it in my eyes at least. The precedent has been set and we've sacked managers for failing to deliver CL before so Ole should be held to that standard also. Hopefully he can get it done.Well that's nice of you
Think we've taken that pressure off him, whether we finish 3rd, 4th, 5th or 9th Ole will be in charge next season, and it's probably the right decision, though time will tell.
I think if he finishes in the top 4 and with a good run in the Europa (semis or so), then he would have earned the right to go again next season. Loved Ole as a player, hopefully he can make this job his own.
The Mourinho style is very different with our current style. One big difference is the Jose team almost never did any high press but yesterday we high pressed the shit out of City. We're basically reactive under Jose but very proactive now. The current football reminds me a lot of the football under SAF and the last match feels just like us against Arsenal in those old days.
And comparing Mourinho to Ole is just wrong. My biggest problem with Jose was he employed his small time underdog tactic with basically everyone. Even against the likes of Brighton or Burnley at OT, we're United ffs. While it's nothing wrong to play counter football against a stronger opponent. It'd be stupid and suicidal otherwise.
And for this thread, as I said about 2-3 months ago, it's just utterly pointless. Ole will stay at least this season.
I haven't visited this thread since and today I just wanna have a quick look after the win. It doesn't surprise me at all however the negativity and agenda from some like you is just ridiculous tbh.
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“Let’s not get carried away” is the most annoying sentiment here.
How about let’s get carried away. Let’s get dreaming of what Ole could do if he has Pogba, Rashford and Bruno all season. Let’s dream of where we’d been if we had not missed 50% of all missed penalties in the league this year. Where we’d be if Ole recruits just two players who are as good as the rest of his signings this summer.
If you can’t see why we should be getting carried away at the moment, think what you want out of a football team!
How about let’s get carried away. Let’s get dreaming of what Ole could do if he has Pogba, Rashford and Bruno all season. Let’s dream of where we’d been if we had not missed 50% of all missed penalties in the league this year. Where we’d be if Ole recruits just two players who are as good as the rest of his signings this summer.
If you can’t see why we should be getting carried away at the moment, think what you want out of a football team!
Solskjær doubter myself but always held the opinion that I hoped he'd turn it around when things were sour. Very pleased with how we've looked for some time now. We look very composed and organized in the back but also going forward. Bruno could very well be the missing link to complete the puzzle. Also very happy that he seems to have realized that Lingard just doesn't have it. Perhaps helped a bit by Lingards agent swap.
I've felt like this way for a while.
Indeed. “Let’s not carried away” and “we’ll evaluate him at the end of the season”. No other manager who be getting these comments off the back of our current run, no other.
He’s doing a great job, all the signs are there and league points will follow.
He's done very well lately. But we've been through this before and we should not make the same mistake.
Let him go in the summer.
Let him go in the summer.
It's PTSD mate... You know how many times I've gotten carried away with this team only for them to feck shit up again
. I'm sure people are going into games more hopeful and confident but also cautiousSure - lets get rid of the guy who has made more good signings in 12 months than LvG, Mourinho and Moyes combined did in 5 years.
Sure - lets get rid of the guy who is on 10 game unbeaten run
Sure - lets get rid of the first guy since Ferguson who get every player to work their socks off for the team
Sure - lets get rid of the guy who has made Fred and Rashford lift their game 50%
Nah in fairness some posters have been pathetic in their posts about Ole."Tossers" now?
I hope everyone who's backed Ole to the hilt is as smug as can be come May, nothing will please me more. But calling out fans as "tossers" for being pissed at that first half season in which Ole was lucky he had a board that had patience enough to give him January and seriously back him, really?
I think we're onto something here. Matic being brought back in, Ighalo looks a superb short term signing, and Fernandes is just
I for one will be smug if we continue in this vein but I’m not the type to rub it in.
The recruitment and intended approach have been there from the start with Ole.
Sorry what... If that’s the case shall we let go of Fred? Shaw? and anybody else who’s improved?
I’d keep him, even if just for the fact that the players seem to be buying into his project, that’s something we haven’t had for a long time, they all sing his praises in interviews too, the whole club is growing together and remembering that they’re actually a team to fear rather than a banter club.
He’s successfully identifying and addressing the problems we’ve had in the team for years now.
I say give him a proper summer to sort out the right wing and maybe get a striker in, then we can judge him.. I’m not convinced Pochettino is the answer, it’s worrying that he wasn’t able to win a single thing with that spurs squad... they were far and away a better team than we were over the last few years, so if he’s the alternative I’d rather we just give this some breathing space and let it build naturally, then go after someone like nagelsmann somewhere down the line if it all goes wrong again..
He’s successfully identifying and addressing the problems we’ve had in the team for years now.
I say give him a proper summer to sort out the right wing and maybe get a striker in, then we can judge him.. I’m not convinced Pochettino is the answer, it’s worrying that he wasn’t able to win a single thing with that spurs squad... they were far and away a better team than we were over the last few years, so if he’s the alternative I’d rather we just give this some breathing space and let it build naturally, then go after someone like nagelsmann somewhere down the line if it all goes wrong again..
For all his faults, Ole’s man-management cant really be questioned anymore.
The self belief, progress and work ethic in the players is so much better.
No matter how the performance is through the games, they give it all.
Mentality is a very important factor in any good team, and I think alot of people underestimate that.
The self belief, progress and work ethic in the players is so much better.
No matter how the performance is through the games, they give it all.
Mentality is a very important factor in any good team, and I think alot of people underestimate that.
I have been Ole Out and will remain so due to the fact that I do not believe he is the manager that will win you the big trophies. What you said is not enough. Ole has improved but as I sometimes previously mentioned, with his perfect squad and all the signing he can make I do not think he will be more then a 3rd/4th place manager, with a cup win there and then. We should be aiming to win the EPL and CL and I do not ever see it under Ole. This is what most of the Ole Out believe even if we (hopefully) make it to CL football next year.
Still not convinced he is the man to get us consistently beating the Bournemouth, Evertons, Burnleys away from home on a consistent basis, which is what you need to fight for title.
To rally the troops and make them fight in big games where everyone is watching, is something we've more or less had all throughout our bad spell.
To rally the troops and make them fight in big games where everyone is watching, is something we've more or less had all throughout our bad spell.
If we do that consistently for a couple of years after the many years of chaos, I'd take tha for now.
Stability in the top is a prerequisite for getting that first place.
Yeah, and our list of fixtures after Spurs and Sheffield is exactly that, so it will be very interesting to see.
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But he’s only managed Molde and cardiff and sir pep has got to a final with spurs!!!!
! I think that’s what gets said here
I think he's earned the right to carry on next season now regardless. Sure I can understand the people who want to judge him if he gets us into the champions league or not. But the evidence is there now that he's making clear progress. If you don't see it...
The energy in the team. They look like a team now who believe in what they're doing.
The quality in midfield given that area has been a wasteland for years. Just think about all the folks who knee-jerked on Fred. He's turned into a really good player. McTominay likewise. Matic has surprised me I didn't think he'd get that form back. Certainly with Fred and McTominay Solskjaer has done really well in trusting them.
Lots of positives. Add Rashford. Add Pogba or someone like Grealish. Have a go at getting Sancho. This could turn into something good and it's been a long time since we could think that.
The energy in the team. They look like a team now who believe in what they're doing.
The quality in midfield given that area has been a wasteland for years. Just think about all the folks who knee-jerked on Fred. He's turned into a really good player. McTominay likewise. Matic has surprised me I didn't think he'd get that form back. Certainly with Fred and McTominay Solskjaer has done really well in trusting them.
Lots of positives. Add Rashford. Add Pogba or someone like Grealish. Have a go at getting Sancho. This could turn into something good and it's been a long time since we could think that.
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