Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild

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lysglimt said:
I could - but since you have already made up your mind i can't be bothered.

I could say something that he made Molde win for the first time in their history

I could say something about him cleaning up LvG and Mourinhos mess

I could say something about getting the smile back in every players face

I could say something about us building a Foundation and finally signing the right players

etc etc

But we will just have to wait and see.
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This is just getting irritating now. I wasn't much of a fan of either manager (though I did think LVG was a good appointment at the time) but it really wasn't that much of a mess. You would do well to bear in mind that so far Ole is falling short of the standards of these two managers' 'messes'. Let's see how he gets on if he gets time before lording it over two very good, albeit, past their best managers.

I've said I do think the signs are promising at the moment and I'm far more enthusiastic about his tenure than i was a couple of months ago. But the bolded above is just too much, feel compelled to point it out every time. Their tenures were more productive than Ole's so far. He might go on to outdo them, but he hasn't yet.

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InspiRED said:
This is just getting irritating now. I wasn't much of a fan of either manager (though I did think LVG was a good appointment at the time, but it really wasn't that much of a mess. You would do well to bear in mind that so far Ole is falling short of the standards of these two managers' 'messes'. Let's see how he gets on if he gets time before lording it over two very good, albeit, past their best managers.

I've said I do think the signs are promising at the moment and I'm far more enthusiastic about his tenure than i was a couple of months ago. But the bolded above is just too much, feel compelled to point it out every time. Their tenures were more productive than Ole's so far. He might go on to outdo them, but he hasn't yet.
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I don't really see what so great about LVG, he spent a fortune on players that mostly didn't make it here. We had horrific injuries under him too as well though. Like Ole, he was good mostly in the big games, but our football was dire and most of our results too. None of our managers have been a succes imo, José came the closest but didn't make it.
 
Mainoldo said:
Daniel James made sense? Not buying a CM in the summer made sense?
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Yes, it always makes sense to buy a young promising player for a good price. It may pan out or not, but it's definitely worth taking the shot. We should have bought a CM in the summer no doubt. Does anyone here think the club didn't pursue a CM? It takes two to dance, most likely a few possible transfers just didn't work. United can't snap their fingers and make a transfer happen.
 
Shamana said:
I don't really see what so great about LVG, he spent a fortune on players that mostly didn't make it here. We had horrific injuries under him too as well though. Like Ole, he was good mostly in the big games, but our football was dire and most of our results too. None of our managers have been a succes imo, José came the closest but didn't make it.
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I agree. I thought it was a good appointment at the time, but it was clear after a few years it wasn't really working. My point is he was still far more successful than Ole has been so far in terms of win rate, top 4 finishes and trophies. That could change, but what annoys me is the double standards applied to LVG and Mourinho and then to Ole. Posters should use the same bar to judge them,

I do think a couple of his players could have found their feet here, Blind and Depay, who's got much better at Lyon. I'm certain we could have found a role for Blind in the current side.
 
Mainoldo said:
This Chelsea Everton game is why I don’t buy Ole’s bull!!!

This is what a team looks like that have been drilled to play football.
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The side that we beat in their own stadium recently? Interesting.
 
gerdm07 said:
Yes, it always makes sense to buy a young promising player for a good price. It may pan out or not, but it's definitely worth taking the shot. We should have bought a CM in the summer no doubt. Does anyone here think the club didn't pursue a CM? It takes two to dance, most likely a few possible transfers just didn't work. United can't snap their fingers and make a transfer happen.
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We did.. Sean Longstaff!! 50m so it never got done. Thank the lord too.

I don’t think James was young and promising to be honest. He’s 22 and as I said at the time was he that much better than Chong that we had to spend £18m.
 
dirkey said:
The side that we beat in their own stadium recently? Interesting.
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Yes true. But winning like Mourinho and winning like mini Pep are two different things. We seem to always forgot this and want to talk about the right direction. It the same direction with new manager. Eric Dier football.
 
InspiRED said:
I agree. I thought it was a good appointment at the time, but it was clear after a few years it wasn't really working. My point is he was still far more successful than Ole has been so far in terms of win rate, top 4 finishes and trophies. That could change, but what annoys me is the double standards applied to LVG and Mourinho and then to Ole. Posters should use the same bar to judge them,
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It was said by LVG, Woodward failed to get any of his first targets and always went for the cheaper option. Furthermore, if LVG was not blinded by his love for Rooney he would had got us the top 4 spot.

OGS on the other hand is the most inept manager I have ever seen. From his interview it's clear he reads redcafe or has someone reading it for him- always saying what we want to hear but never puts it into action.
 
BlahRules said:
It was said by LVG, Woodward failed to get any of his first targets and always went for the cheaper option. Furthermore, if LVG was not blinded by his love for Rooney he would had got us the top 4 spot.

OGS on the other hand is the most inept manager I have ever seen. From his interview it's clear he reads redcafe or has someone reading it for him- always saying what we want to hear but never puts it into action.
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What cheap options? He turned down Kroos as well and we got Bastian and Schneiderlin instead. Even Scholes called Kroos his natural heir.
 
Mainoldo said:
Yes true. But winning like Mourinho and winning like mini Pep are two different things. We seem to always forgot this and want to talk about the right direction. It the same direction with new manager. Eric Dier football.
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Be truthful, have you not seen any signs recently that we're bringing some style to our game? Particularly since Bruno came in? Quick, one touch passing? Full backs getting forward? Passes through the lines?

And all this with our best player out with a back injury.
 
Mainoldo said:
This Chelsea Everton game is why I don’t buy Ole’s bull!!!

This is what a team looks like that have been drilled to play football.
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A draw at Everton is just as impressive as a home 2-0 lead at half time (and it's not over, Everton turned our match around the 2nd half). I guess all the other poor showings by Chelsea do not reflect on Lampard.
 
Mainoldo said:
We did.. Sean Longstaff!! 50m so it never got done. Thank the lord too.

I don’t think James was young and promising to be honest. He’s 22 and as I said at the time was he that much better than Chong that we had to spend £18m.
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It's a numbers game. One of James/Chong is a better chance for something good than just Chong. It's worth a shot to buy fast potential players. You can't coach speed.
 
BlahRules said:
It was said by LVG, Woodward failed to get any of his first targets and always went for the cheaper option. Furthermore, if LVG was not blinded by his love for Rooney he would had got us the top 4 spot.

OGS on the other hand is the most inept manager I have ever seen. From his interview it's clear he reads redcafe or has someone reading it for him- always saying what we want to hear but never puts it into action.
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I think LVG fell in love with his ego too much and went too far down the route of 'investing in youth' and developing the academy, without investing in top tier names like Kroos. Not sure whose fault Di Maria was, but his heart was never in playing for Man Utd and i kind of hate the cnut now for that (Di Maria that is)

Regarding Ole and inept. I think the jury is still out as there are definitely signs of life in this team and project. One thing's certain though is he's lucky to have remained in a job considering some of what we've seen. I would say he's been in charge for the best and worst that I've seen post SAF. Tail end of last season was beyond the pale bad, likewise much of this season, but there are some very encouraging signs. I'm interested to see how it goes from here.
 
Mainoldo said:
This Chelsea Everton game is why I don’t buy Ole’s bull!!!

This is what a team looks like that have been drilled to play football.
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You're kidding, right? Until the Liverpool cup game, Chelsea have been shite for a month. You can't pick and choose your examples. Did we not look like a footballing side while sticking 5 in in the Europa league? In the first half against Everton? For most of the Watford game? The truth is that everyone outside of Liverpool and City are grasping for a stable identity. Ourselves, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton......we all look great in spells and are prone to shocking dips.
 
The problem with Ole is the same as Moyes. The, relatively, good form always comes at a time when fixtures become favourable and we have a mix of cup games.

So while it feels like forever since we lost. Since losing to Liverpool we’ve played 10 matches. 5 were league matches we drew 2, beat Burnley, Chelsea, Watford.

In the cup we’ve beaten the city, but also the likes of Trameare, Derby, Brugge
 
Mainoldo said:
This Chelsea Everton game is why I don’t buy Ole’s bull!!!

This is what a team looks like that have been drilled to play football.
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I agree to some extent, as it's gripe of mine watching the really hardcore Ole inners jump on Lampard's back after a poor month without recognising irony of not applying the same excuses for his management after half a season as they have been for Ole after a season and a half.
 
gerdm07 said:
A draw at Everton is just as impressive as a home 2-0 lead at half time (and it's not over, Everton turned our match around the 2nd half). I guess all the other poor showings by Chelsea do not reflect on Lampard.
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Ive never seen Chelsea lose there principles to play football. I still don’t know what type of football we are trying to play.
 
dirkey said:
Be truthful, have you not seen any signs recently that we're bringing some style to our game? Particularly since Bruno came in? Quick, one touch passing? Full backs getting forward? Passes through the lines?

And all this with our best player out with a back injury.
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I’ve seen quick one touch passing from us before even under Jose. This is not what I’m looking for. I’m looking for an attacking intent in our play.
 
lysglimt said:
I could - but since you have already made up your mind i can't be bothered.

I could say something that he made Molde win for the first time in their history

I could say something about him cleaning up LvG and Mourinhos mess

I could say something about getting the smile back in every players face

I could say something about us building a Foundation and finally signing the right players

etc etc

But we will just have to wait and see.
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Well yes, i've made up my mind because he's not done anything in his entire career to make me change it, and he won't do it now either. Sorry but i'm not convinced that because he used to play for us that we should be worshipping him.

Okay, so Molde won for the first time in their history, what, twice in like, 6 or 7 seasons he was there? It's the Norwegian league, if that's the measure of what should be a Manchester United manager these days then well... what can I even say to that.

Cleaning up LVG and Mourinho's mess, I mean LVG won the FA Cup and Mourinho got us 2nd and won the Europa League, it's possible Ole could do these things but let's be honest it's not as much of a mess that everyone makes out. I have absolutely no doubt you and many others were singing both of their praises when they were signing the likes of Di Maria or Schneiderlin. Infact I know you all were, you only have to go back and look at the threads. These managers were past it and we shouldn't have hired them anyway, i agree that they bought poorly in many instances, and Ole has done a good job so far of ousting some of the players we shouldnt have, and has bought reasonably well himself, but it's nothing that another manager of the same ilk wouldn't have done in my opinion, buying well and selling well isn't an Ole exclusive trait, even thought im praising him for it currently.

Putting the smile back on every players face? Where? What are you even talking about, what kind of nonsense is this, i would argue it's not exactly hard after Mourinho, seeing as how he seems to try his best to piss every player off, but come on really, the criteria for Manchester United manager is apparently, has to have won the league title in a completely irrelevant league and puts smiles on players faces now, what are these standards anymore, we seemingly have none.

Again, i'm praising Ole for this but it's not exactly an exclusive thing that only Ole Solskjaer has done as a manager, and only he can ever do it at Manchester United because he used to play for us, we've just not hired managers before that actually do this up until this point.

The fact is no club that would want to consider themselves a big club would have touched Solskjaer with a 10 foot barge pole before we hired him, and there is a reason for that. You cannot deny this.

Yes we've have managers with better credentials come in a fail, but that doesn't mean you should stop trying to get the best managers you can possibly get. Solskjaer is nowhere near the best in this league, nevermind on a global scale.
 
It looks like he has to win the Europa now if he doesn't get a result out of our next two games. This idea that he’s untouchable regardless of where we finish is utter nonsense, this should be do or move on for someone who can get us back into the CL.
 
Mainoldo said:
We do when we are winning and they drop points.
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If we don’t get 4th it’s on us, it’s got nothing to do with Chelsea or any other team.
Who’s fault that is will be apparent in the post-mortem. Is it the recruitment? Was it the tactics? Was it the fitness coaches etc.

Judging anything we do at our club compared to another is knee-jerk.
 
OrcaFat said:
Well said.

It’s quite possible to hold this view without being a “delusional Ole In” person.

It’s also not delusional or insane to be against sacking Ole even if there is persuasive argument that he is not the best coach in the world.

In my view the club needed someone like Ole to do exactly what he is doing. I can’t say there is no-one on the planet who could do it better but Ole is there and he is doing it well. And it’s not a stretch to suggest that many so-called top coaches would be doing worse.

Add to that the quality of football in recent weeks has mainly been the best since SAF, plus, as you say, being in the mix for trophies and top 4, while generally overhauling the squad, things are looking up.
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Noone is saying Solskjaer is world best. But for us, in this time, what we needed is a person like him.

If we don’t see any progress anymore I don’t have any problem changing him. We are United-fans. Not Solskjaer fans.

Mainoldo said:
Nothing’s wrong with your quote and we are in a good state with regards to playing staff to build on (I cannot comment on the back room as know one really know‘s what’s taking place). Anyone taking over has a good team. My only concern is the man leading this cannot be here next season as he will undo all efforts to take us to the next level.
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So you accept that Solskjaer is doing pretty good in this rebuilding process. Then why would you kick him out and let another person try? When Solskjaer is doing ok?

Mainoldo said:
This Chelsea Everton game is why I don’t buy Ole’s bull!!!

This is what a team looks like that have been drilled to play football.
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It is all about reaction. Isn’t it? But for a football drilled team it is wierd only being 4th and getting beaten every time by worst manager in the league (your words).
 
How the feck does Solskjaer keep getting massive performances out of the players when we’re playing ‘better’ opposition?

Are our issues just mentality and belief at this point?
 
crossy1686 said:
How the feck does Solskjaer keep getting massive performances out of the players when we’re playing ‘better’ opposition?

Are our issues just mentality and belief at this point?
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We’re just great on the counter and any game we have a bit of space. Lack of quality has generally impacted us in other games for most of the season.
 
crossy1686 said:
How the feck does Solskjaer keep getting massive performances out of the players when we’re playing ‘better’ opposition?

Are our issues just mentality and belief at this point?
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Mixture of a lot of changes to the first team which has required patience. The team itself is young as well which brings inconsistency occasionally.

You can see that with Bruno we've gone up a gear though. Vital we keep him fit for the rest of the season.

Not really surprising mind given I don't rate Lingard or Pereira. Neither should be starting at United and debatable whether they should be squad options.
 
crossy1686 said:
How the feck does Solskjaer keep getting massive performances out of the players when we’re playing ‘better’ opposition?

Are our issues just mentality and belief at this point?
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I'd assume it's the way he sets the team up and gets the players to follow instructions. But then again, he's supposedly tactically inept....
 
Can we keep the poll open? PLEASE. I’m kind a researching how Cafe opinions change. It’s time to start seeing the results. Play progress has been visible for months, but I’m really curious how the public opinions start to shift with visible data like scores and league position.
 
Mainoldo said:
I’ve seen quick one touch passing from us before even under Jose. This is not what I’m looking for. I’m looking for an attacking intent in our play.
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You are here to criticize OGS when Chelsea are playing - but you are never here when United are playing well - says a lot about you really
 
crossy1686 said:
How the feck does Solskjaer keep getting massive performances out of the players when we’re playing ‘better’ opposition?

Are our issues just mentality and belief at this point?
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I think it’s different today tbh. Our GK is better, our back 4 is better and our midfield matches theirs today. We are finally getting closer again quality wise.

This is not smash and grab today, we have been better so far.
 
crossy1686 said:
How the feck does Solskjaer keep getting massive performances out of the players when we’re playing ‘better’ opposition?

Are our issues just mentality and belief at this point?
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According to some idiots (whose name I wont mention) - he is the worst manager in the League - so my guess is his tactics are do dumb that all the brilliant managers like Pep and Frank get fooled. I can't explain it any other way
 
Volumiza said:
Seriously, he has changed everything for us. What a signing. I know he won’t be stellar every match but we look a completely different team now. Fighters everywhere.
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Well, it's just been clear that we've lacked real quality, arguable PL quality in that area of the pitch since Pogba was injured. I'm just really surprised we dragged our heels for so long in January. We needed Bruno straight away.
 
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