Bonkers to have the usual people bashing Ole, tonights not the night for it, big away win against one of the biggest challengers for the CL spots. He's not the man long term, but yeah enjoy a result, this is meant to be fun.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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It's not though. Only on here
I actually expected a win tonight - and predicted 2-0. I think we've shown consistently against teams who allow us to attack space that we can play that type of football pretty well. Of course, we rode our luck at times tonight, but I still thought the performance was excellent from the first goal onwards.
I also expect us to struggle against deeper sitting teams, like we have all season. I'd love for most of us to be proven wrong about Ole and he somehow become a great manager, but in the real world I just hope he manages to guide us to a CL qualification and we still hire a top manager in the summer.
I also expect us to struggle against deeper sitting teams, like we have all season. I'd love for most of us to be proven wrong about Ole and he somehow become a great manager, but in the real world I just hope he manages to guide us to a CL qualification and we still hire a top manager in the summer.
I suppose those talking about luck believe their current favourites like Wilder, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Nuno and Rodgers have 'deserved' every one of their points and not had anything go their way at all. We of course have never lost a game this season where we were the better team.
We definitely benefited from a few calls, but we also hit the post. A very positive result to go there and without Rashford and leave with all three points. The best part about today is that nearly every player played very well. Fred, ABW, McGuire in particular. This is the sort of galvanized performance I wanted to see from Ole.
Not disagreeing about the great result. It was great and very important one too, and overall a great night. However I didn't like the performance that much and that for me shouldn't be the way to go forward. I think we were far better against Chelsea in the last 2 matches against them this season than tonight.
How many managers got us relegated?
We did not have Rashford, McT or Pogba.
They will make a huge difference for us when they return.
They will make a huge difference for us when they return.
I've said this from the inception of our season. It's the only way to viably assess his criteria of success.
Nothing proven tonight for him. Obviously pleased with the result, but we got incredibly lucky. Whether he gets us CL spot or not, he has to go at the end of the season. By now, we've seen enough to know whether or not he's good enough for us, and the answer is pretty obvious to anyone reasonable. Another season of him would be another wasted year and enduring ourselves to another season of mediocrity.
There are an awful lot of posters led by their agendas on here
Is it 'reasonable' that this is still the busiest thread on here after a win at Chelsea? People are obsessed with talking about him. Why not post in the post match thread and discuss the performance, the match, the players? You know, the actual football.
Two wins away at City. Two wins away at Chelsea. Only team to take points off Liverpool. Beaten Spurs. Beaten Leicester.
Only had a full strength team in two games all season.
I accept people’s opinions who don’t think he’ll be successful here and want him gone. Having everyone currently at the club fit to work with, however, and bringing in another two or three top quality players and you’re judging something else entirely.
Certainly if you’re an optimist or have some sympathy with the squad difficulties there are a few reasons to hold out some hope.
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United need a new manager next season, Ole had done a job that was needed, however, we need to move on and become what we should always be, one of the top 5 challenging teams in Europe year on year.
I mean the thread gets bumped regardless of result. If he loses, it'll be people asking for him to get sacked. If he wins, it's people who support him asking the skeptics to show their faces. It's not that hard to understand when the club manager is the second most contentious topic at the club after ownership. But it's much easier to get a new manager than new owners, so people expend their energy on arguing about the manager instead.
I don't think anyone has taken credit from him for getting points against the top 6, we already knew that going into this match. But tonight, we really did get incredibly lucky, and the result could have easily gone against us if the officiating was consistent or competent.
The fitness excuse/lack of squad depth is a byproduct of his transfer business. So he has himself to blame for that, and then his extremely questionable management of players dealing with injuries (Pogba, Rashford). None of us want to see him fail, and there is no agenda against him (or at least I would hope so). But I'm so tired of the club and a sizeable portion of our fans refusing to acknowledge the obvious when it comes to Ole (and the previous failed managers before him). We always react late when it comes to managers. By now we've seen enough from Ole to know that he isn't a top level manager cut out to get us where we want to be. I don't see it in the football, the tactics, transfer business, or anywhere else.
Hot from Shed End forum match thread:
"As i said in a previous post, Lampard deserves this, with his selection. Tactically outplayed by Ole in every game as a manager."
"Lampard is solksjaers pet. I don't think I am allowed to say bitch on this forum"
"you know what, I think I might be done with the Premier League until they sort this crap out"
Some of the trolls on this thread should head over there , you'd have a great time
"As i said in a previous post, Lampard deserves this, with his selection. Tactically outplayed by Ole in every game as a manager."
"Lampard is solksjaers pet. I don't think I am allowed to say bitch on this forum"
"you know what, I think I might be done with the Premier League until they sort this crap out"
Some of the trolls on this thread should head over there , you'd have a great time
Every signing Solskjaer has made has improved us significantly. He's only been allowed to bring in a handful of players. The likes of Pep and Klopp have signed whole new XIs. If we get rid of the dross, instead of giving them new deals, and let Ole actually rebuild the squad we will come good again.
"If this was ANY manager pat Lampard people would be calling for his head"
"What’s your problem? You’re always looking to blame the manager, look who he has at his disposal"
This exchange at shed end feels familiar
"What’s your problem? You’re always looking to blame the manager, look who he has at his disposal"
This exchange at shed end feels familiar
I still want him gone asap, we’ve been here before under him and we’ll be there again until we hire a manager that’s actually capable of moving us forward. We have a good team, but under Ole, that team simply won’t thrive. The performance tonight was generally poor and Chelsea were unlucky not to get at least a point.
& you think that’ll happen by simply changing manager??
How’s the past 7years worked out for you?
What about when we had the most successful manager bar SAF managing us & we still wanted him out.
Some people need to wake up and smell the roses, We simply are not good enougg any more and changing managers won’t give us the overnight success that you all crave so much
They realistically should get Allegri and do a Inter. But they have to decide what they really want.
Sounds good. But I think we had a better chance of winning the league with Eric Cantona than we did with Dion Dublin.
No manager has a damn chance at this club unless he plays exciting attacking football all the time. Against all opponents. The fans, as a whole, will accept nothing else. And then any manager who does that but fails to win will be called clueless, I’m sure.
A definite no-no is any manager who sets up pragmatically or focuses on the structure of the club and tries to build for the future because he just will not get the time. United is more or less the worst club in the world for such managers.
I don’t like it but the solution is to recruit the most attacking coach we can find and give him a year. One year. If he fails just start again and hire the most attacking coach again. One year is all he should get unless he wins.
Any talk about getting the right man to build us up is pointless as we will burn the next guy before he unpacks his suitcase unless he goes Pompeii on Klopp’s ass, to name but one.
This rules out most managers of course. I could not bear it if we sack Ole and replace him with Poch or Allegri - they would be more nails in our coffin. Bielsa would be fun. Crazy but fun. Is there a character limit on posts in this place?
A definite no-no is any manager who sets up pragmatically or focuses on the structure of the club and tries to build for the future because he just will not get the time. United is more or less the worst club in the world for such managers.
I don’t like it but the solution is to recruit the most attacking coach we can find and give him a year. One year. If he fails just start again and hire the most attacking coach again. One year is all he should get unless he wins.
Any talk about getting the right man to build us up is pointless as we will burn the next guy before he unpacks his suitcase unless he goes Pompeii on Klopp’s ass, to name but one.
This rules out most managers of course. I could not bear it if we sack Ole and replace him with Poch or Allegri - they would be more nails in our coffin. Bielsa would be fun. Crazy but fun. Is there a character limit on posts in this place?
Correct.
Name me an attacking coach we have hired?
Ole is building a team. We just need to back him properly.
How exact... oh Norway, got it.
I don't understand what people think he's doing that is different to the other coaches that have come before him (or any other coach at any other club in the world for that matter). There's no rebuild going on - we're just functioning as normal and spending money just as we have done under every manager post SAF. Ole's not implementing a radical new style of football, we're hardly signing teenagers (26, 25, 22, 22) these are probably the most expensive signings on average of any United manager e.g. players coming up to/in their prime.
Back him or don't, that's everyone's own opinion but let's not buy into this rebuild hype when it's just words. Every manager coming in will move players on and look for a certain type of footballer, every manager will talk about their philosophy and spew the buzzwords than fans want to hear about hardwork, the right type of players and culture. Judge Ole on what we see on the pitch.
What are you on about? He's removing unsuitable players and bringing in better ones. Our net spend is low since he's been here and his 4 signings all look really good.
The previous 3 managers spent nearly a billion on players who mostly flopped here.
What i'm saying is, Ole cannot take us any further in terms of consistent performances over a season.
Having someone like Potch (or better if available) and a better transfer strategy and clearing out all the rubbish we held on to for way too long, is what we need next season.
I am not really a fan of this 5-3-2 formation though... it worked today and with quite a bit of luck Chelsea was beaten but i dont know if this is really what i want to see.
Hopefully this is just a fase until better players are at the club and we can dominate games and win them that way.
Hopefully this is just a fase until better players are at the club and we can dominate games and win them that way.
It's hard to be hopeful when we have seen so many false dawns and this has a pretty big chance to turn into one considering we were lucky as hell.
Beside the results against big teams aren't really the only thing. LvG was getting good results against top teams while losing the easy games and got sacked. Surely beating big teams indicates the squad isn't as dogshite as people making it out to be, thus the continuous terrible results in winnable game is on his as much as getting good results in big teams. It will be pretty weird to be beating big teams with these players and people suggest we need a full strength team to not lose against Burnley at home.
Why not? You think replacing Andreas with Bruno won't make us better and more consistent??? What about improving players like Fred and Rashford. Does that not help results? He's barely had a midfield all season. Relying on the likes of Pereira has really hurt us. As we continue adding good players results will obviously improve. That's why teams sign players. Poch, Pep and Klopp all signed between 18 and 27 players. It wasn't just for a laugh they did it.
Also, why Poch? Spurs were decent under him and played nice stuff but they usually bottled it when it mattered. His signings were very hit and miss, he had a poor record against good teams and he literally said winning trophies is just good for building your ego. That attitude isnt gonna cut it here. I'd trust Ole a lot more in a big game or European knockout.
Also why can't Ole get rid of the deadwood. He's already doing it. He's already got rid of Sanchez, Darmian, Rojo, Young, Valencia and Fellaini just to name a few.
Ole always does well against the big teams because his style is to be the underdog and play on the counter, we will once again play like crap the next poor team we play against.
If Ole could somehow learn to coach a team how to break teams down who sit back then we would probably be fighting with Liverpool for the title, Unfortunately he just isnt good enough for that.
I love the guy and is one of my favourite United players growing up, but he just isnt good enough as a coach.
If Ole could somehow learn to coach a team how to break teams down who sit back then we would probably be fighting with Liverpool for the title, Unfortunately he just isnt good enough for that.
I love the guy and is one of my favourite United players growing up, but he just isnt good enough as a coach.
Atleast let him have a team that is full strength and that too for a period of time and then make such remarks. Our top performers this season are out with injury
I want him out as soon as possible, but gotta give him credit where it's due. He has Chelsea's number.
Re deadwood, I was referring to the club in general taking years to clear out the rubbish, because of the stupid contracts Ed Gave them!
I used Potch as an example because he is currently available, could be any big club experienced manager tbh
Ole, whether he brings in players or not, tactically is still lacking experience, that is sadly what will let him down and eventually move on, as United need to be challenging next season and playing Champs League every year, after this long period of inconsistency.
It's difficult as I want Ole to do well, but how long do we give him?
Rashford won't return any time soon, unfortunately. I hope McT returns soon and is as solid for us as he was before the injury.
Pogba... will he ever return and will it even matter? At this point, I have stopped caring to be honest. Sell him, get the 100M if somebody is paying that much and buy the players who we need and will play most of the season. Obsession and fetish over a player who doesn't feature whole season is ridiculous at this point.
As for Ole.... With today's win he certainly bought himself some more time. He keeps doing this touch-and-go thing, but so far - surviving
He would just need some more scandinavian reinforcements.. If he tactics can be regulary adressed.
It is a strang och creepy world now. Just long ball/hoof it does work in these days.
It is a strang och creepy world now. Just long ball/hoof it does work in these days.
Rashford won't return any time soon, unfortunately. I hope McT returns soon and is as solid for us as he was before the injury.
Pogba... will he ever return and will it even matter? At this point, I have stopped caring to be honest. Sell him, get the 100M if somebody is paying that much and buy the players who we need and will play most of the season. Obsession and fetish over a player who doesn't feature whole season is ridiculous at this point.
As for Ole.... With today's win he certainly bought himself some more time. He keeps doing this touch-and-go thing, but so far - surviving
A midfield of McT/Fred/Bruno would be pretty solid.
It will allow Bruno to play as No. 10 with McT and Fred holding the midfield.
I would consider Pogba done.
Up front we have the options from Martial/James/Ighalo/Greenwood/Mata
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