Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Paul_Scholes18]

Let's rate our signings out of 10 for managers since Fergie -
Dithering Dave -
Fellaini - 4
Mata - 4
Van Dickhead -
Memphis - 3
Di Maria - 3 (although under Fsrgie he'd get 10)
Falcao - 1
Blind - 2
Schneider twins - 0
Martial - 3
Moaninho checkbook small balls-
Bailey - 1
Lindelof - 3
Pogba - 0
Lukaku - 4
Matic - 1
Mkhitaryan - 0
Alexis - 0
Ole
Maguire - 7
Wan-Bissake - 7
James - 3
Greenwood, Williams, = 7 bonus points

And the winner is........

Very strange ratings. What makes Maguire signing so bloody good and many others not? We won a few titles with some of those other players.
How is Pogba 0? Matic has not been that poor. Lindelöf is first choice and playing as well as Maguire at the moment.
Shaw, Herrera, Rojo, Darmian? Ibrahimovic, Fred, Dalot?

Sounds like very subjective ratings based on future hope here.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

We are definitely headed somewhere with Ole. Just look at the table.

Top 10?

 

[Champagne Football]

Very strange ratings. What makes Maguire signing so bloody good and many others not? We won a few titles with some of those other players.
How is Pogba 0? Matic has not been that poor. Lindelöf is first choice and playing as well as Maguire at the moment.
Shaw, Herrera, Rojo, Darmian? Ibrahimovic, Fred, Dalot?

Sounds like very subjective ratings based on future hope here.

I guess I've been following Utd longer than you have.

 

[Champagne Football]

This is the type of poster which comprises of the 28percent of oppo fans, WUMs and Ole's bastard childs which preach gospels of respect and then engage in utter pettiness.

If you read my post you dyslexic dildo , you'd have realized that I said Ole was our Dalglish, saving us from being a Newcastle that turned into a Leeds. And not our Fergie/Pochettino/Jock Stein

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

I guess I've been following Utd longer than you have.

I don't think being crap is building foundations if that is your point. Just cause SAF eventually turned things around after struggles.
This is our worst season for around 30 years. What gives you this faith in Ole and his signings?

 

[lRed]

Let's rate our signings out of 10 for managers since Fergie -
Dithering Dave -
Fellaini - 4
Mata - 4
Van Dickhead -
Memphis - 3
Di Maria - 3 (although under Fsrgie he'd get 10)
Falcao - 1
Blind - 2
Schneider twins - 0
Martial - 3
Moaninho checkbook small balls-
Bailey - 1
Lindelof - 3
Pogba - 0
Lukaku - 4
Matic - 1
Mkhitaryan - 0
Alexis - 0
Ole
Maguire - 7
Wan-Bissake - 7
James - 3
Greenwood, Williams, = 7 bonus points

And the winner is........

I did not get your point.

 

[Class of 63]

I think the deal is done and dusted.

There was the famous 'Ta Ra Fergie' banner in 1985, a year before we realized we had the best manager in history. Ole will never be that, but clearly Mike Phelan and Fergie are making the big decisions right now and not Ole. Only a clown would deny that.

That's a bit previous, SAF didn't join until '86

 

[Champagne Football]

I don't think being crap is building foundations if that is your point. Just cause SAF eventually turned things around after struggles.
This is our worst season for around 30 years. What gives you this faith in Ole and his signings?

He's a tier 2 coach disguised as a tier 1 coach. Not long ago, klopp and Pochettino were considered tier 2. I reckon he has the balls to turn it around. Just my humble opinion. At least he's not a bluffer like the last 3 clowns we had in charge

 

[passing-wind]

Solskjaer the diabolical, Norwegian Moyes, Primary school PE teacher, outside top 4 for life, why do we have to persist with this nonsense.

Solskjaer leaving the post will be more satisfying then any of the previous manager sackings because I've never seen so many deluded fans back a mountain of absolute garbage to the extent they have for Ole

 

[Champagne Football]

I did not get your point.

Oh cool. Point is - we have a bloke in charge who knows a Utd player when he see's one, as opposed to having some checkbook messiah clown in charge who pretends he knows what he's doing, but who is only after the cash

 

[passing-wind]

There was the famous 'Ta Ra Fergie' banner in 1985, a year before we realized we had the best manager in history. Ole will never be that, but clearly Mike Phelan and Fergie are making the big decisions right now and not Ole. Only a clown would deny that.

How many times have you seen SAF on the touchline this season ? What's happening in the background is of no use if Solskjaer cannot get anything going on the pitch. That's where he is judged and that's how the success criteria of our season is assessed.

 

[billybee99]

I get it. You hate Ole. You think he's some noggie league clown who got lucky getting the job. Show the man some respect. He scored the most important goal in the clubs history. He never whinged like a bitch, like our current main star does if he ls played out of position, even though Ole was dumped sometimes 3 months on the bench at a time.
Ole is a winner. But it's very hard to beat Man City when Scott McT, James and Lindelof are the best you can produce in your first XI. Mourinho never stopped whinging - 'We don't have a player like Neymar here. Man City spend striker prices on left backs. We have no bulldogs in midfield snapping at heels. The structure of the club was not what I expected. The ambition of the club was not what I expected. Rashford was terrified out there as he is too young. Some of our players don't have the mental strength to play for Utd.'... Blah blah blah....... Under Fergie we were a Tier 1 team for 20 years. Ole inherited a team that was tier 3 and heading for tier 4, like AC Milan, Liverpool for 20 years until Klopp arrived or Newcastle Utd. Ole has absolutely stopped the rot. He's like our Dalglish, not good enough, but the bloke who set the foundations for a Rodgers or a Klopp to take all the credit, after leaving a failed long term project behind

This is literally true.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Same here. They are going to twist the whole Goddamn thing. An article will probably come out about how he laid the foundation for the next manager

As long as they actually get rid of this spoofer and replace him with a much better manager, it'll be the one time I don't moan about the spin and twisting of the narrative the club leak to the media. It's obvious they will because everyone is a winner that way - Ole comes out looking like he wasn't fired and saves some face as well as being able to say 'he did the job he was hired to do'. The board don't need to face the full wrath of the brainwashed Ole-worshipping fanbase because it'll seem like Ole was complicit in the decision.

But really, it'll be a simple 'you're fired, play along with the party line or we'll tell the world we fired you and bang goes your loyalty money'.

 

[BusbyMalone]

In Moyes' season, we bought Mata - a British record transfer - in January, then sacked him a few months later.

Very true. Although that is an extreme example due to how appalling that appointment was (there again, i suppose you could say the same about the appointment of Ole!), and i just don't see them doing it with Ole, especially if he does get us into the CL. All the noise coming out of the club suggests that they're really behind him and are willing to back him for the foreseeable future. And it's not just the Fernandes deal, but they've backed him considerably with Maguire and AWB. Obviously things can change quickly, especially if we continue to drop down the table. But as it stands, i think they're going to stick with him for a while.

 

[billybee99]

I get it. You hate Ole. You think he's some noggie league clown who got lucky getting the job. Show the man some respect. He scored the most important goal in the clubs history. He never whinged like a bitch, like our current main star does if he ls played out of position, even though Ole was dumped sometimes 3 months on the bench at a time.
Ole is a winner. But it's very hard to beat Man City when Scott McT, James and Lindelof are the best you can produce in your first XI. Mourinho never stopped whinging - 'We don't have a player like Neymar here. Man City spend striker prices on left backs. We have no bulldogs in midfield snapping at heels. The structure of the club was not what I expected. The ambition of the club was not what I expected. Rashford was terrified out there as he is too young. Some of our players don't have the mental strength to play for Utd.'... Blah blah blah....... Under Fergie we were a Tier 1 team for 20 years. Ole inherited a team that was tier 3 and heading for tier 4, like AC Milan, Liverpool for 20 years until Klopp arrived or Newcastle Utd. Ole has absolutely stopped the rot. He's like our Dalglish, not good enough, but the bloke who set the foundations for a Rodgers or a Klopp to take all the credit, after leaving a failed long term project behind

"Stopped the rot"? How has Ole stopped the rot? We are literally worse now than when he arrived. We're on pace for 53 points and probably worse looking at our upcoming schedule. His win percentage as permanent manager is in the 30s. We are worse by any metric you want to look at. Of course, like most of the Ole-in crowd, you don't want to look at actual numbers and facts. If Fergie and Klopp and Pep can turn it around, then so can Ole right?

 

[devilish]

That's a bit previous, SAF didn't join until '86

Why did you quote me about something concerning Sir Alex? I didn't mention sir alex at all

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

He's a tier 2 coach disguised as a tier 1 coach. Not long ago, klopp and Pochettino were considered tier 2. I reckon he has the balls to turn it around. Just my humble opinion. At least he's not a bluffer like the last 3 clowns we had in charge

What made them bluffers? Mourinho started well and then imploded same as he did with Chelsea although could not win over City with Pep here.
LVG played boring sideway football as he also did with Bayern,Holland. Terrible in the market as well, which I think there was evidence for before apart from getting dutch superstars/players. He tried it here too with Depay and Blind. I hoped for more, but there was signs of his limitations from older clubs.
Moyes I guess had only proved himself to coach a top 5-7 side. I guess SAF mainly had faith in him since he was from Scottland.
It is similar to picking Ole since he played for us.

They might talk a different games than they play. . LVG played his philosophy and didn't change much even with terrible results.
Mourinho picked and tried to build a side like he normally do. With size, pace, power and top class experience. Backfired with Sanchez big time.
Then he got defensive and tried to blame everyone. Just classical Mourinho.
No idea what Moyes was doing here. No line in his signings coaching and ideas. He got his man Fellaini and used him in the wrong way. Bought Mata for another style and idea and still tried to beat Fulham after that with 100+ crosses when Fellaini didn't even start. Basically clueless, but at least he tried different things.

Ole is the only bluffer from the way he talked from the start. He talked about United way, but is still very defensive. Mainly counter attack and have few ideas in attack.
Also spent most of his money on defenders rather than attackers. Sold attacking players too.
I guess United way is very vague though, but he has been very defensive with everything. People hoped for attacking football at least even if he would fail.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Comparing Ole to SAF or Klopp should be grounds for an instant threadban. That pathetic argument has already been dismantled over and over.

 

[Champagne Football]

"Stopped the rot"? How has Ole stopped the rot? We are literally worse now than when he arrived. We're on pace for 53 points and probably worse looking at our upcoming schedule. His win percentage as permanent manager is in the 30s. We are worse by any metric you want to look at. Of course, like most of the Ole-in crowd, you don't want to look at actual numbers and facts. If Fergie and Klopp and Pep can turn it around, then so can Ole right?

Stop being a moaning melissa. He turned shite into gold. Scott Mc T and Fred into winners. He's turned squad players into first teamers - Rashford, Martial, Williams etc.
He's basically turned us from Horse-shite into non odour types of horse manure, and we need to respect him for that. He's the greatest substitute in history. Let's show Ole the love. Frank Pullhard is worshipped at Chelsea but Ole means more to us than those sugar daddies...
He's a treasure along with Keane, Giggs, Beckham etc

 

[Champagne Football]

What made them bluffers? Mourinho started well and then imploded same as he did with Chelsea although could not win over City with Pep here.
LVG played boring sideway football as he also did with Bayern,Holland. Terrible in the market as well, which I think there was evidence for before apart from getting dutch superstars/players. He tried it here too with Depay and Blind. I hoped for more, but there was signs of his limitations from older clubs.
Moyes I guess had only proved himself to coach a top 5-7 side. I guess SAF mainly had faith in him since he was from Scottland.
It is similar to picking Ole since he played for us.

They might talk a different games than they play. . LVG played his philosophy and didn't change much even with terrible results.
Mourinho picked and tried to build a side like he normally do. With size, pace, power and top class experience. Backfired with Sanchez big time.
Then he got defensive and tried to blame everyone. Just classical Mourinho.
No idea what Moyes was doing here. No line in his signings coaching and ideas. He got his man Fellaini and used him in the wrong way. Bought Mata for another style and idea and still tried to beat Fulham after that with 100+ crosses when Fellaini didn't even start. Basically clueless, but at least he tried different things.

Ole is the only bluffer from the way he talked from the start. He talked about United way, but is still very defensive. Mainly counter attack and have few ideas in attack.
Also spent most of his money on defenders rather than attackers. Sold attacking players too.
I guess United way is very vague though, but he has been very defensive with everything. People hoped for attacking football at least even if he would fail.

Give your cock a rest. We all know you'd let klopp insert the snake into your hidden worlds, but get a grip chief

 

[Class of 63]

Why did you quote me about something concerning Sir Alex? I didn't mention sir alex at all

I just thought you'd want to be kept in the loop ....

Nah gremlins mate, I was going to quote one of your earlier posts but changed my mind, then when I quoted #13778 for some reason you were added, I was totally oblivious to it till you pointed it out, soz

 

[elnorte]

You know what let's just keep him to the end of next season. It'll be interesting to see how people respond if things don't improve or more likely become even worse.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

You know what let's just keep him to the end of next season. It'll be interesting to see how people respond if things don't improve or more likely become even worse.

I've already seen posters saying he needs 3 or 4 years.

 

[devilish]

I just thought you'd want to be kept in the loop ....

Nah gremlins mate, I was going to quote one of your earlier posts but changed my mind, then when I quoted #13778 for some reason you were added, I was totally oblivious to it till you pointed it out, soz

No problem

 

[Gehrman]

I've already seen posters saying he needs 3 or 4 years.

He's shown improvement upon on improvement. It's just not on the pitch.

 

[elnorte]

I've already seen posters saying he needs 3 or 4 years.

Yes, I'm pretty sure I've seen that as well. I'd imagine another season going along the current trend may reduce those numbers just a little bit but then who knows?

For some, of course, even one more season is a win. If Solskjaer somehow inexplicably improves then they can justifiably say they were right all along. However, if he doesn't then all it requires is to dream up yet more works of fiction pontificating his imaginary great successes as vindication of their belief that he should given all the time he needs.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

He's shown improvement upon on improvement. It's just not on the pitch.

Yes. Changing the mood. Implementing a new structure. Knows the club. The kind of intangible bullshit that is impossible to actually disprove at this point because in reality, it's all completely meaningless.

Oh, and getting rid of the 'deadwood', while keeping players who want to die for the shirt. Like Paul 'Get Me The F*ck Outta' Here' Pogba.

 

[dove]

I get it. You hate Ole. You think he's some noggie league clown who got lucky getting the job. Show the man some respect. He scored the most important goal in the clubs history. He never whinged like a bitch, like our current main star does if he ls played out of position, even though Ole was dumped sometimes 3 months on the bench at a time.
Ole is a winner. But it's very hard to beat Man City when Scott McT, James and Lindelof are the best you can produce in your first XI. Mourinho never stopped whinging - 'We don't have a player like Neymar here. Man City spend striker prices on left backs. We have no bulldogs in midfield snapping at heels. The structure of the club was not what I expected. The ambition of the club was not what I expected. Rashford was terrified out there as he is too young. Some of our players don't have the mental strength to play for Utd.'... Blah blah blah....... Under Fergie we were a Tier 1 team for 20 years. Ole inherited a team that was tier 3 and heading for tier 4, like AC Milan, Liverpool for 20 years until Klopp arrived or Newcastle Utd. Ole has absolutely stopped the rot. He's like our Dalglish, not good enough, but the bloke who set the foundations for a Rodgers or a Klopp to take all the credit, after leaving a failed long term project behind

You are completely wrong, I don't hate Ole. He is not good enough, clearly out of his depth and should be nowhere near this club as a manager but I don't hate him. You just prove that you cannot separate Ole as a player and Ole as a manager, like majority of Ole supporters here. Talking about his achievements as a player like it has anything to do with his managerial career, should we just close our eyes when watching shambolic performances every single week because he scored that goal? Also I don't know who can take you seriously when you spout BS like that "He's like our Dalglish, not good enough, but the bloke who set the foundations for a Rodgers or a Klopp to take all the credit" Apparently Dalglish built foundations. I am certain that when we finally get rid of Ole and find a good manager, you Ole supporters will give all the credit to Ole for building some imaginary foundations Ridiculous.

 

[Popcorn]

When Pool hires Klopp, he wasn’t the best manager in the world. They had enough evidence and confidence that he was worth getting rid of Rogers for.

Ole is clearly not of the same caliber and never will be. We need to get rid and bring in the next manger breaking through in Europe or elsewhere. If that doesn’t work , keep trying.

I can only judge from what I see on the pitch. It’s not good enough, Ole needs to go. Now would be good but I understand if we are short of cash and have to wait till the end of the season.

Poch would be good for a couple of seasons transition, but I can’t see him challenging the current top 2 with their players and financial firepower.

In terms of the key differentiator of the top 6 teams. That’s the manager/coach.

Ole is not anywhere near the top manager in the league and we will never win it with him in charge.

 

[Bastian]

Isn’t it remarkable how standards have changed.

Pretty interesting given he was hysterical when van Persie offered his criticism.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Pretty interesting given he was hysterical when van Persie offered his criticism.

Yep,that was just embarrassing.

 

[Bebestation]

Partly why I want a top quality manager know is to actually keep Smalling & Pogba next season - I don't see them as wanting to go anymore than the frustration of being poorly managed the fans show on this forum.

 

[Bastian]

Partly why I want a top quality manager know is to actually keep Smalling & Pogba next season - I don't see them as wanting to go anymore than the frustration of being poorly managed the fans show on this forum.

Pogba staying I'd think would be entirely dependent upon the club's chances of winning major titles. Will we see a super ambitious summer? I doubt it. I think he's gone.

 

[Bebestation]

Pogba staying I'd think would be entirely dependent upon the club's chances of winning major titles. Will we see a super ambitious summer? I doubt it. I think he's gone.

I know but we did keep De gea in a similar scenario though maybe that was due to a fax machine.

I just don't see many clubs being in for Pogba except Juventus & if we get a good quality manager one more time then he may give it one more go.

 

[Sky1981]

Let's rate our signings out of 10 for managers since Fergie -
Dithering Dave -
Fellaini - 4
Mata - 4
Van Dickhead -
Memphis - 3
Di Maria - 3 (although under Fsrgie he'd get 10)
Falcao - 1
Blind - 2
Schneider twins - 0
Martial - 3
Moaninho checkbook small balls-
Bailey - 1
Lindelof - 3
Pogba - 0
Lukaku - 4
Matic - 1
Mkhitaryan - 0
Alexis - 0
Ole
Maguire - 7
Wan-Bissake - 7
James - 3
Greenwood, Williams, = 7 bonus points

And the winner is........

Stop gulping distilled champagne

 

[90 + 5min]

Well, the hate towards fans and our manager still keeps coming from some of Ole out crewe. Such a shame. I hope that you find some love inside yourself that can guide you through all those emotions. Because some of the stuff you write is to much. Don’t hate so much.

 

[Caesar2290]

Well, the hate towards fans and our manager still keeps coming from some of Ole out crewe. Such a shame. I hope that you find some love inside yourself that can guide you through all those emotions. Because some of the stuff you write is to much. Don’t hate so much.

Mate, you're mistaking "hate" for "passion". Nobody wishes ill or death upon Ole(except some Twatter bellends). Most of us in the Ole out camp just want to see our beloved club were it belongs, at the top.

This is why I am so vocal and critical of our current results, because we are headed in the opposite direction, fast.

And if we are going to sit here and do nothing, well.... nothing is going to change. And knowing Woodward, if fans are quiet he doesn't do anything. If fans are angry, he immediately tries to appease them. Granted, if he could make his decisions from a proactive stance rather than a reactive one, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. But that is a discussion for a another time.

Look I'm going to extend an olive branch here, and say that I see the appeal of supporting Ole and wishing for him to turn things round. I really do, but my pragmatic side sees that he simply doesn't have the ability to do so. Just like Lingard can't be Messi. You can have all the intentions you want, but if you're not good enough, you're not good enough.

Why can't we just look for a more experienced coach who encompass the United ethos. It's not like Ole is the only coach out there that gets what United is about. There are tons of coaches who promote youth, think long term, develop a clear and exciting style of play, you know coaches like Nagelsman, Rose, Ten Hag, hell even Pochettino. You know, young and up and coming coaches who show hunger and promise.

Hell, our very own Sir Alex was an up and coming manager who didn't have any connections with United whatsoever. But the man came here, fell in love with our club and now he is a legend and a fan. Just like Rio, Evra, Vidic, Cole, Yorke and I could go on and on.

My point is, you don't have to be from United to get United. The moment you step into the club our history and our traditions will do that for you. You just have to have the drive and the ability and the balls to be here and actually make it.

 

[VP89]

Well, the hate towards fans and our manager still keeps coming from some of Ole out crewe. Such a shame. I hope that you find some love inside yourself that can guide you through all those emotions. Because some of the stuff you write is to much. Don’t hate so much.

Don't chat shit, hate is a strong word.

Just because we want him out, doesn't mean we hate the guy. Jesus

 

[b82REZ]

Well, the hate towards fans and our manager still keeps coming from some of Ole out crewe. Such a shame. I hope that you find some love inside yourself that can guide you through all those emotions. Because some of the stuff you write is to much. Don’t hate so much.

Are you for real? I'm getting to the stage where I think you're just a WUM. The only person insulting anyone in this thread was another person who is Ole In. If you can't take legitimate criticism of the manager I'd suggest you stay out of the thread as its tedious seeing you make up stories and preach your peace and love bullshit.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Mate, you're mistaking "hate" for "passion". Nobody wishes ill or death upon Ole(except some Twatter bellends). Most of us in the Ole out camp just want to see our beloved club were it belongs, at the top.

This is why I am so vocal and critical of our current results, because we are headed in the opposite direction, fast.

And if we are going to sit here and do nothing, well.... nothing is going to change. And knowing Woodward, if fans are quiet he doesn't do anything. If fans are angry, he immediately tries to appease them. Granted, if he could make his decisions from a proactive stance rather than a reactive one, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. But that is a discussion for a another time.

Look I'm going to extend an olive branch here, and say that I see the appeal of supporting Ole and wishing for him to turn things round. I really do, but my pragmatic side sees that he simply doesn't have the ability to do so. Just like Lingard can't be Messi. You can have all the intentions you want, but if you're not good enough, you're not good enough.

Why can't we just look for a more experienced coach who encompass the United ethos. It's not like Ole is the only coach out there that gets what United is about. There are tons of coaches who promote youth, think long term, develop a clear and exciting style of play, you know coaches like Nagelsman, Rose, Ten Hag, hell even Pochettino. You know, young and up and coming coaches who show hunger and promise.

Hell, our very own Sir Alex was an up and coming manager who didn't have any connections with United whatsoever. But the man came here, fell in love with our club and now he is a legend and a fan. Just like Rio, Evra, Vidic, Cole, Yorke and I could go on and on.

My point is, you don't have to be from United to get United. The moment you step into the club our history and our traditions will do that for you. You just have to have the drive and the ability and the balls to be here and actually make it.

Exactly. The Ole In crowd have said things like "Ole may not be good enough or he may not be the won to take us to the title". They know he isn't good enough for us. Yet they want to keep him for the work he's done so far. But what exactly has Ole done that the likes of Nagelsmann, Pochettino etc don't do? Pochettino cleared deadwood immediately he went to Tottenham if Ole in thinks Ole is the only won that clears deadwood. Pochettino improved and played youth just like Ole. Tottenham under Pochettino were targeting AWB and Bruno. So what exactly is Ole doing that's so special that these coaches that are better than him can't do.

I think it's maybe as a result of Ole being the first ever progressive manager we've had since Ferguson left. The first manager to try to play attacking football since Ferguson. The first manager that has signed likeable and hungry players. All those people backing Ole is just as a result of him doing things that fans have wanted for so long so they don't want to let go. They've been eating shit for so long and now they finally got a slice of pizza and they think it's the best but it's not. We can have more, much more and Ole won't give us that.