Agreed. I think it will be a case of 2 big money signings or 3 if Pogba goes. We have a few saleable assets that haven't contributed this season so we may well have a pretty sizeable budget this summer.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Agreed. I think it will be a case of 2 big money signings or 3 if Pogba goes. We have a few saleable assets that haven't contributed this season so we may well have a pretty sizeable budget this summer.
Think the ones who wants to keep him aren't even in caf.
What the poll shows, for me is the number of glory hunters here in caf. Not all of course.
To be honest I think the glory hunters are long gone, there’s not and hasn’t been much glory or entertainment in supporting Utd since SAF left.
If you understand sport, christ.
For a team struggling up front and for creativity our best chance was not to limit attempts to the last 15 minutes and then hope we win on penalties.
I'm not even sure that was the plan as much as it is a poor excuse. We clearly setup with a low block but beyond that our system never allowed much play to develop, our defensive nature was as much a reflection of our setup and inability to play out than it was a ridiculous plan to only go for it in the last 15min.
But oh well let's pretend its the latter and we'd have been an attacking force if not for the red.
Arsenal was always building for the future as well. The same with us with players like Jones, Smalling, Lindgaard, Depay etc.
Anyway I understand the Ole in sentiments. Our injuries has made it impossible for to field a quality 11 consistently.
Big jump for backing Ole, up to 26.9%
Yes despite the scoreline. We were second best and were lucky not to be on the end of a drubbing. This is often a defence I see for Ole when we lose, that we were the better team despite losing. If that is accepted as a defence by some of his supporters, they also need to recognise when we win when we didn't necessarily deserve to.
Agree with the first part but there are too many places in this team that aren't nailed down in terms of starters to say that we've been unable to field a consistent quality 11 and I've seen worse injury periods at United by far. Rashford and Martial have undeniably been the biggest misses and that has been a factor but I really think Pogba brings as many problems as he solves in a midfield two. For a good 4 or 5 positions you can take one player out of this team and the replacement can perform at the same consistency (good/average to poor). I'm just not seeing an established 11 that would definitely play if everyone was fit and would add another ten points to the league table, although hopefully the Bruno transfer helps with this.
Our midfield is a good example I think. We had Pogba and McTom who were pegged as our first choice and looked a very unbalanced duo in what was apparently our best first team at the start of the season (that amassed 5 points from 4 games). Fred and Mctom did really well for a time but some now have the opinion that Matic is the better option in there (i'm unsure). Does anybody really know the best combination in that midfield? I don't think there's a lot in it. It's really not like losing peak Carrick or Keane for a massive part of the season.
Keep him. Hes working with the bare bones at the moment and for all his faults at least the team look like a team! Maybe not a great one but they are fighting for each other. He said klopp finished 8th at one point - and now look at them unbeaten and about to win the league. Give him a 2nd season at least - what did Poch win........feck all if I remember.
Always the same after anything other than a loss.
He's had a charmed time here - from getting the job in the first place from Molde, to keeping his job through worse ratio than Emery.
It'll continue on and on, since the fanbase is desperate for some reason to see him succeed (rather than to simply find the best fit manager for Utd), and because he's the dream manager for the Glazers and Woodward.
Good luck to him.
I can't speak for everyone but if we finish 6th or worse and we are playing horrible football, I would want him fired in May. If we finish 5th, make it to a cup final, and are playing so-so, it's a harder decision.
If Bruno plays well his first match I never want to see Lingard on the pitch again. Pereira is starting to look like a decent footballer and can be a useful squad player.
I tried my hand at being positive about Ole. I want to be positive, I expect most people do. He’s not the worst manager in the world by any means. But the fact is I do remain utterly unconvinced.
There just appears to be no unifying ethos behind what’s being done. It feels disjointed and cobbled together. I’ll happily watch him losing his s**t with Lingard from now until the end of eternity, but despite this and other good signs, the broad picture emerging is quite shambolic.
I don’t think anyone can seriously believe there aren’t other far more competent managers out there.
I think what concerns me the most is our total reliance on counter attacking football with pacy players. In the modern game ain’t nobody gonna get very far with them tactics and everyone knows it, whether they admit it to themselves or not.
There just appears to be no unifying ethos behind what’s being done. It feels disjointed and cobbled together. I’ll happily watch him losing his s**t with Lingard from now until the end of eternity, but despite this and other good signs, the broad picture emerging is quite shambolic.
I don’t think anyone can seriously believe there aren’t other far more competent managers out there.
I think what concerns me the most is our total reliance on counter attacking football with pacy players. In the modern game ain’t nobody gonna get very far with them tactics and everyone knows it, whether they admit it to themselves or not.
You mean for example; Liverpool appointing Dalglish back in the day!
Should Ole go into a successful career as United Boss you may have to look yourself in the mirror bud.
Ole needs to be given a reasonable chance. This means till next winter break so he can have another summer transfer window.
You keep mentioning be realistic! Getting a new manager in now would achieve nothing. Players still have to be shipped out and new ones acquired!
Footy is emotional but making negative reactionary and pessimistic comments ain’t the way to go about it.
Well except of course that it's been proven time and time again in football that a new manager can achieve a lot with the same players.
The obvious danger is we could get a short term new manager bounce but if it's the wrong guy who doesn't fancy half the squad we're back to square one, and could potentially be worse off.
Well you’d hope we’ve learned our lesson by now to employ managers with a similar ideas on how to build a squad. If Ole moves on, the next guy shouldn’t be given any bullshit “he’s needs a full new squad before we can judge him” excuse. The transfer committee helps build the squad now so fingers crossed the club will then expect any new manager to deliver results with the squad.
Yeah, all four of em.... Hence the changes that are are required.
Silly post
Three of whom had better win percentages than our current boss.
This fallacy you and many others keep spouting that a new manager won't change anything is tedious. There's countless examples, including our own club approximately 12 months a go, where changing the manager changed the fortunes of the club.
Silly post? Oh the irony.
I mean, Leciester are right there in front of your face proof of it. And there are hundreds of other examples.
Yet you chose to only consider United managers to try and call my post “silly”, yet all 4 of those managers (SAF, Moyes, LVG, Mourinho) had Premier League win rates of over 50% at United, this season Ole has 37%... so who looks silly now even with your daft example of just looking at one club over 7-8 years?
I mean come on @Mr. Christian you’re not stupid, you know full well there are hundreds of examples of managers coming into clubs and improving them. I mean, what would be the point of managers otherwise for God’s sake?
Why do you obsess over win rate % so much, and talk about nothing else? You’d think you’d never actually watched any of our games.
I'm not so optimistic about having learned our lesson.
I just feel any change of manager between now and the end of the season could be a bit knee-jerk and I certainly don't want another caretaker.
Ole hasn't lost the dressing room and top 4 is still a possibility and we've basically a whole midfield to come back along with Fernandes.
I'd hope they've been speaking to managers and take their time to ensure they get the right one in in the Summer if that's what they decide to do.
The next manager, whenever he comes in, definitely has to be a really top manager, hopefully along with an excellent DOF.
Agreed, hence my vote was to wait till the end of the season.
I talk about shit loads more, just have a look at my post history. However, whenever I talk about Ole so far it's the most important figure by a mile when judging his season so far. Everything else is well, nothing more than personal opinion with a mixture of either pessimism or optimism depending on which side of the fence you fall on.
I'm hopeful it increases massively now he has Fernandes and soon Pogba back, his PL win rate will ultimately decide if he stays in the job or not.
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Liverpool play counter attack football and are running away with the league and won the Champions League last year
Only difference? Liverpool have got the players to do it well...
They are more than capable of playing intricate possession football.
Their possession average is 2nd to City in the league.
They don't play pure counter attacking football in the big games. They usually dominate possession.
He didn't start out that way at Liverpool though did he?
He's changed from pure counter attacking to a more possession based style as he's built the squad and he's also found the team couldn't keep up the pace for a full season in England.
Even if Ole is sacked this summer and say Poch is brought in, i honestly dont think the transfer business done will be any problem. Bad player are bad players and good players are good players regardless of who is managing. Fellaini, Young, Rojo et al, would not have been much use to any manager
Klopp counter attacking? What the feck am I reading?
He's the "gegenpress" king, his tactics have always focused on winning back the ball high and fast. How on Earth can that be a counter attacking side where you actually need the opposition to have much of their team high into your half?
This has been my argument for months Bob, I genuinely believe the change in transfer structure that pissed off Mourinho so much has been a great leap forward. Using a committee and bringing in club targets rather than a constant stream of individual manager targets is definitely a much better way of doing things. We might not have a DoF but I am optimistic that they club realised after 4 years of LVG and Mourinho that the old Fergie system wasn't sustainable.
You mean Dalglish who has won the double after a year in charge, is that really a comparison you want to make. What’s Ole’s record over last year?. Ole has just taken over this job, that blind faith thats he’s a way better manager than he showed in Norway has been and gone.
If any rival team appointed a manager who was completely under qualified based on a caretaker spell, then saw that manager have worst start for 30 years, worse win percentage for decades and reach lowest points total decades what would the reaction on here be?. I don’t believe it would be anything but derision and laughter, everyone would be begging them not to be sacked.
But because we’re that club we have to give him X amount of time, or people are
Glory hunters for saying it probably isn’t a great idea and we haven’t hired the next Fergie or Klopp. There is nothing pessimistic or negative about what I said, it’s just the reality of the situation.
Also if saying a new manager changes nothing isn’t reactionary and negative then I don’t what is.
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One thing I will say though - this 'new transfer strategy' has led to us refusing to buy both Maguire and Fernandes, only to return for them in the following transfer window, tail between our legs. In Maguire's case, we ended up paying £20m more than we might have under Jose. I'm still seeing nothing other than a scattergun approach - it's all spin and myth and fans have again been duped by it.
Maguire - see above.
AWB - no-brainer, best available defensive RB in the league.
James - recommended by Giggs.
Fernandes - refused to buy him then went back in for him 6months later.
Striker - we're fishing around for names like Slimani, Rondon and co on loan with mere hours left in the window when we should have been doing this the second Rashford was injured.
This is not a strategy - this is still reactive, haphazard transfer activity. Wake up people!
More reverse. He started off very gung ho. Once they fixed there defence they sat off a lot more.
However to go on your point or someone else’s. If they plan is to play like them I don’t know what we plan on doing with our current RB. He can’t cross or attack well.
We have a budget. Is that so hard to believe. Maguire was refused because we apparently already wasted £60m on two CB and he wasn’t much of an upgrade. 12 months later I would argue funds could have been much better spent. But we had to back the new manager.
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the committees idea to get James as you’ve already pointed out and if we never got him I don’t think anyone would have lost any sleep.
Fernandes as I said we blew the budget on AWB and Maguire ultimately we couldn’t spend the £70m they wanted...hence why it’s taken us weeks just to get it over the line In this window.
However there is a strategy and they are well thought out options.. but like Ole said he has the final say. Which is why we had the summer outcome (It’s not a dig before Ole boys give me 1000 excuses).
I’m sure other managers might have picked alternative targets and chose different areas.. But except for James all our signings have been well scouted and planned for.
If by waking up you mean 'believe every rumour I read and form opinions based off of them' then I'm going to hit the snooze button again I think.
He put two goals on a plate for us in the Burnley match. This tired myth about Wan-Bissaka needs to die. He isn't Cafu but he is nowhere near as bad as many on here write, and he has many years to improve before he reaches his peak.
Pressing high and generating transitions is still counter attacking imo.
It's still reactive as opposed to proactive. The opposition still have to make a mistake.
I don't think it matters if the transition occurs in your half or theirs.
IF Ole ends up being a success here, feels like it'll be such a disappointment to some of the posters on here considering the argument repeated is mostly lack of tactics and incompetence, inspite of evidence and argument against it.
Yeah I'm expecting this to lead to an argument about gen gen pressing, counter attack and tactics
What evidence and argument? This is actually ridiculous statement. Why is he not a huge success right now btw?
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