The main problem is and remains, Woodward and co. Ole is also not up to the task, we need a hairdryer type manager like Klopp, Klopp just given as an example. Ole is too "It will all be ok in the future." I would make Ole DOFand get in a real manager.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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A little theory I have is that -
Ex players have to be midfielders to be good managers - a good balance of understanding the game from deep and seeing the flow of the game and how to change it.
Pep, Zidane, Simeone, Lampard, Gerrard, Luis Enrique and now potentially Artera.
Defenders seems to be good too but don't seem to jump the big jump from ex players to coach like midfielders do.
Ex players have to be midfielders to be good managers - a good balance of understanding the game from deep and seeing the flow of the game and how to change it.
Pep, Zidane, Simeone, Lampard, Gerrard, Luis Enrique and now potentially Artera.
Defenders seems to be good too but don't seem to jump the big jump from ex players to coach like midfielders do.
Honestly LVG is the one I would have give more time of the previous 3. Have no problem raising a hand and saying I was wrong on some aspects. If I recall correctly the prevailing view at the time was such could never work in England. This was before Pep came.
LVG needed more help with player acquisition because he bought a lot of players that weren't suited for his style. Scheiderlin, Rojo, young Depay, Darmian, Rooney in the hole. What was he thinking on some of those? You know what I change my mind. He doesn't deserve any apology because most of these decisions weren't forced on him
Sacking is easy, but if you're not sure who to appoint and who will truly succeed this time, the whole idea is pointless, not to mention a colossal waste of time for the needed rebuild.
Is there actually any way of putting up a graph of the sack vs keep poll as the season has gone on? Would be quite interesting.
Judging by your posts in this thread, I’m not sure you know what constitutes meaningful contribution. Now being a try hard top red? You seem to have that down!
At no stage have I suggested we won't have bad results along the way.
The fact that you see standing up for a United manager as "acting high and mighty" says it all.
Carrick and Phelan should go nowhere near the interm manager position as they've both been part of the disastrous past 1.5 seasons as the assistants. They need to take responsibility and leave with Solskjaer. There has to be other options for interm if Pochettino or another qualified manager won't join now.
Would keep him. Some might be unhappy with what Oles saying, but if you think he's telling his players that I can't agree. He's not trying to make them angry, 'the world against us' etc. Very few in the team knows what it's like to be successful over and over. He will obviously be telling them it's not good enough etc. However, my vote would change if he let players off the hook for being unprofessional etc..
Positives, players seem happier, team look mpr3 together, couple decent signings
Negatives, still have no consistency, do not understand the way we play still, no philosophy, ole press conferences make me cringe, players look clueless on the pitch. Not a coach, has no tactical brains, late subs. I still do not know what ups and downs mean. Can only play counter attacking football, no idea still after one year how to break down teams. The players we are linked with worries me. Still cannot get over why we did not get bruno Fernandes, he takes too many risks, so what! Finally, he promised to integrate youth, said they were ready and still not does not. Greenwood has moved than proved he should start. Chong and gomes have been shunted, not seen anything else from Levit, Garner should be coming on much more. These kids need minutes, he should of loaned them out when he has the chance.
I was on the fence for a while, i am ole out now. Seriously, we are so so so bad and after one year there really has been not much progression. I really do not care if the players are better mates.
Negatives, still have no consistency, do not understand the way we play still, no philosophy, ole press conferences make me cringe, players look clueless on the pitch. Not a coach, has no tactical brains, late subs. I still do not know what ups and downs mean. Can only play counter attacking football, no idea still after one year how to break down teams. The players we are linked with worries me. Still cannot get over why we did not get bruno Fernandes, he takes too many risks, so what! Finally, he promised to integrate youth, said they were ready and still not does not. Greenwood has moved than proved he should start. Chong and gomes have been shunted, not seen anything else from Levit, Garner should be coming on much more. These kids need minutes, he should of loaned them out when he has the chance.
I was on the fence for a while, i am ole out now. Seriously, we are so so so bad and after one year there really has been not much progression. I really do not care if the players are better mates.
Worst manager in the league by a LONG shot.
Terrible performance after terrible performance.
These losses and the terrible standing in the table is firmly on the ‘Ole In’ cult. Enjoy the sh*t show.
Terrible performance after terrible performance.
These losses and the terrible standing in the table is firmly on the ‘Ole In’ cult. Enjoy the sh*t show.
Don’t waste your time. We’ll end up winning playing crap but all will be forgotten.
I think if the performances and results improve as we are seeing now, it's fair that he at least gets to the end of the season.
Of course good performances and results should buy any manager time, that's just common sense.
The problem is that this is coming off a horrific defeat to the league's worst side. As I said before the game, I hope Ole proves us all wrong and keeps his job by going on a massive winning streak.
Gotta go straight for that vitriol, no time to wait and see how it pans out.
The most frustrating thing is that top 4 is still very much possible if we got a new manager ASAP. However we prefer to stick with Ole who himself has written the season off.
Because we’re beating Newcastle 3-1 at half time? I don’t disagree with you, just find the timing of your comment slightly odd. Is being 3-1 up against Newcastle a big achievement for this club now? I‘m hoping that we haven’t sinked quite that low. I do agree though in terms of the end of the season.
For sure, he can stay as long as fergie if the performances improve.
I guess it's a bit premature. It's nice seeing Greenwood showing he has what it takes to be here though.
No, he hasn't, outrage merchants have chosen to inerpret it that way because god forbid they have a rational thought.
This game just shows the usual. Give our attackers space and they will score (Everyone already knows this).
A lot of mistakes from Newcastle have opened them up for us. We need to be able to open these teams up ourselves; we play far too slow against these sides when they deny us space and don't gift us possession.
One thing is that Greenwood is better than James so I would prefer him to be first-team.
A lot of mistakes from Newcastle have opened them up for us. We need to be able to open these teams up ourselves; we play far too slow against these sides when they deny us space and don't gift us possession.
One thing is that Greenwood is better than James so I would prefer him to be first-team.
Nobody should be changing their mind based on today to be honest. Those swinging back and forth with every win/loss are just stupid.
If there was an 'evaluate at the end of the season' option I'd vote for that. I don't think many people want him to be sacked right at this moment.
Just put £20 on a Martial hat-trick.
Ole out. cnut.
Ole out. cnut.
Its not about winning consistently, its about performing, showing identity and so on. Im okay with losing. What Im not okay with is getting one or two goals in behind and then look like there is no urgency at all to get back in to it. We look clueless at times. Other times we can produce some very good attacks, so Im not buying that we are so bad that we shouldnt do better.
Im actually not pro sacking Ole, BUT I think Poch would do a better job. So if its Poch or Ole I chose Poch. Except that, I would go on with Ole at the wheel.
I was going to post something similar to this. It’s hilarious watching the poll change every game.
I'm just gonna throw in that I still believe we should get rid of Ole.
Don't want all the Ole in folk to claim me and others have come from behind a rock when we drop points next...
Don't want all the Ole in folk to claim me and others have come from behind a rock when we drop points next...
Ole out whether we win or lose. Just don't think he is good enough.
You got to question the intelligence of those people for sure. Yo yoers haven't a clue to decide for themselves.
This type of performance has to be the norm for a team of our stature. OGS can’t just live off of top team scalps and the odd lesser team win here and there just to keep his head above the waterline.
I personally can’t see him being any better than that, unless he’s going to make some transfers that are so good that our team doesn’t need intricate tactics to break down teams that defend deep, and just bulldoze them regardless on sheer talent alone.
It doesn’t help either that he’s saying he needs this whole season to know how to improve this squad that he’s had already for a year? After he had essentially a 6 month half season free hit to assess the squad and a summer transfer window. I don’t believe this bollocks about managers needing 2-3 seasons to get the squad playing their way when Brendan Rodgers has transformed Leicester from a boring mid table team to the 2nd best team in the league within 7-8 months.
I personally can’t see him being any better than that, unless he’s going to make some transfers that are so good that our team doesn’t need intricate tactics to break down teams that defend deep, and just bulldoze them regardless on sheer talent alone.
It doesn’t help either that he’s saying he needs this whole season to know how to improve this squad that he’s had already for a year? After he had essentially a 6 month half season free hit to assess the squad and a summer transfer window. I don’t believe this bollocks about managers needing 2-3 seasons to get the squad playing their way when Brendan Rodgers has transformed Leicester from a boring mid table team to the 2nd best team in the league within 7-8 months.
Why wait when there are perfectly good managers available even now. get them in, let them assess the squad and plan for the summer transfer window. If by chance Ole does get hooked, that places the new manager at a disadvantage and leaves him working with a squad he has no knowledge of.
out.....not the man to build a a flatpack from ikea , let alone a squad
This is where I am. If it came down to sign Poch this minute or he’s gone, I’d make the switch. Barring that, I’d wait until the end of the season and reevaluate things then.
This is the reality of many fans they are too emotive. Coincidentally it's the same premise of thinking that got Ole the job to begin with. Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal have lost form and typically are off the pace, if Ole doesn't get top four he deserves to be sacked.
If we beat Watford we would have been 1 point away from top four, it's the small margins where Solskjaer seems to continually fall short. It happened towards the end of last season when Arsenal / Chelsea were playing poorly.
I'm all for giving Ole time but it needs to be earned not awarded. Top four or the door, it might sound glum / nonsense to some but when you consider how LVG got vetoed it's perfectly with reason of the Glazers.
No not really & neither do I think it's right or scientifically correct.
However, the modern game does have ex players going directly in to coaching & for me midfielders are the most tactically balanced players in the game - I've kept an eye on their management careers to see how this progresses.
As I said the defenders are also good & I've yet to see many ex strikers do that well going straight in to coaching.
Defenders seem to be doing very well too.
Rose was a LB, Nagelsmann was a CB, Ten Hag CB, Poch CB and Klopp played as a striker and then defender in later years.
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