Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Bobcat]

I still think Ole will be sacked and Poch will be the manager next season. It's been a great week but seeing the team play like we have against Spurs and City really goes to show how bad of a job Ole has done. The narrative that this squad is weaker than most of the teams we've lost to or dropped points against should be thrown out the window. We've all gotten a glimpse of what this squad can achieve with a manager that can set them up for more than just counter attacking. December will give Ole a chance to prove himself and show everyone that this was more than just the players rising to the challenge of having to play Jose and the derby in a weeks time. No excuses now, confidence is high and the team is in form with a 4 matches the we should take 12 points from.

Ole in people: We lose: squad is bad. We win: Ole is great
Ole out people: We lose: Ole is bad. We win: Squad is great

Just maybe, the truth is somewhere in between? Maybe we can blame both the squad and Ole for that dreadful run in September/October and maybe both he and the players deserve credit for our two recent matches?

This is a young and inexperienced squad and Ole is inexperienced at this level, when you also factor in lack of depth in the squad its not that strange we are inconsistent. When we have fielded our preferred XI we have looked decent imo, the problems start when we get injuries. Our terrible run in from September onward was also when Martial was injured and as soon as he came back we started scoring again. When McTomminay was out we had two league vs Sheffield and Villa where midfield collapsed completely. I dont think thats just coincidence

Regardless of our recent results, this is still a season where we build and to some extent next season as well. There are still players that need to be moved on, players that need to be added, there are mistakes that needs to be stamped out and we need to be better drilled at holding possession when we are leading. As long as we move in the right direction both in regards to squad composition and results/performances im happy

 

[reddevil702]

I'd argue its not weak just more competitive, there is more parity in the league imo which makes it better to watch.

I agree parity make for a more entertaining season but I think that's due to traditional top 6 teams dropping off and thus allowing the other top 10 teams to close the gap. The only world class team at the moment imo is Liverpool. The rest - City included - aren't as good as they were in previous seasons.

 

[reddevil702]

I’m angry and confused. I took classes in Formal Logic and Critical Thinking, spent sleepless nights to write a post on the Caf. And people ignore my brilliant posts and calling crap posts logical l and sensible?!

Jokes aside, reddevil702, do you realize that it was Ole who took all the stick and risks to assemble this young squad with fantastic potential? His team coached them, taught to play together, setting up tactics for them in every match? And now, you want to kick out Ole for another man who will reap benefit? Where is fecking logic here?

The majority of this team wasn't assembled by Ole, and in regards to coaching and tactics that's really what's missing. Counter attacking football is really the most simplistic way to play, not to mention that we've looked defensively fragile at times even while wanting to sit back and counter. You mention reaping the benefits as if this was Pep leaving City or Klopp leaving Liverpool. The manager to replace Ole would be inheriting a weaker team than what Ole took over.

 

[reddevil702]

According to this logic hasn’t Mourinhos games with Spurs proven that the spurs squad is better than Pochettino etc etc same argument against Ole?

The Spurs was better than what they were accomplishing under Poch, and that's why he was sacked. I don't think anyone is arguing Poch was doing a great job at Spurs this season.

Ole in people: We lose: squad is bad. We win: Ole is great
Ole out people: We lose: Ole is bad. We win: Squad is great

Just maybe, the truth is somewhere in between? Maybe we can blame both the squad and Ole for that dreadful run in September/October and maybe both he and the players deserve credit for our two recent matches?

This is a young and inexperienced squad and Ole is inexperienced at this level, when you also factor in lack of depth in the squad its not that strange we are inconsistent. When we have fielded our preferred XI we have looked decent imo, the problems start when we get injuries. Our terrible run in from September onward was also when Martial was injured and as soon as he came back we started scoring again. When McTomminay was out we had two league vs Sheffield and Villa where midfield collapsed completely. I dont think thats just coincidence

Regardless of our recent results, this is still a season where we build and to some extent next season as well. There are still players that need to be moved on, players that need to be added, there are mistakes that needs to be stamped out and we need to be better drilled at holding possession when we are leading. As long as we move in the right direction both in regards to squad composition and results/performances im happy

The interpretation of "right direction" under Ole is what separates the Ole in from the Ole out fans. Most on here that are Ole out are mostly due to the performances. For the majority of the season they have been reflective of the results and even worse in the EL. To say we're heading in the right direction having watched United this season is placing blind faith in Ole and mostly due to sentiment. There was nothing concrete that you could pin point until basically the Spurs match.

 

[Bobcat]

The interpretation of "right direction" under Ole is what separates the Ole in from the Ole out fans. Most on here that are Ole out are mostly due to the performances. For the majority of the season they have been reflective of the results and even worse in the EL. To say we're heading in the right direction having watched United this season is placing blind faith in Ole and mostly due to sentiment. There was nothing concrete that you could pin point until basically the Spurs match.

To be fair, i was about ready to give up on Ole after Villa because i thought that was a "must win" and i honestly feared both Spurs and City would embarrass us. All in all though our form since Liverpool has been better. 7 wins, 3 draws and 2 losses (one of them being a school trip to Kazakhstan) and there are a lot of tough games in there. Another positive is that we are scoring now opposed to earlier in the season where we hardly created a thing. If we can stamp out stupid defensive errors like Villas second goal and Sheffields 2nd and 3rd i am confident we will pick up more points vs the smaller teams as well.

We are putting out a very young first XI and if they get time to grow and gel together they can only get better. A couple of more quality additions to help with depth and i think there are real reasons to be positive

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I still think Ole will be sacked and Poch will be the manager next season. It's been a great week but seeing the team play like we have against Spurs and City really goes to show how bad of a job Ole has done. The narrative that this squad is weaker than most of the teams we've lost to or dropped points against should be thrown out the window. We've all gotten a glimpse of what this squad can achieve with a manager that can set them up for more than just counter attacking. December will give Ole a chance to prove himself and show everyone that this was more than just the players rising to the challenge of having to play Jose and the derby in a weeks time. No excuses now, confidence is high and the team is in form with a 4 matches the we should take 12 points from.

If that's the case then Ole has done the best one compared to others to even make his team play like we had against Spurs & City because none of our previous managers managed to do it.

 

[b82REZ]

I believe that the Ole Out faction have a lesser understanding of tactical football. Recently, as we have won vs Spurs and City, their cry of “He’s tactically inept” has changed to “He’s tactically inept against well organized sides” or “He’s only a counterattacking manager.

Sometimes, it’s not the tactics don’t work, it’s that we don’t have the players to execute those tactics. In breaking down park the bus sides, you need a quality No. 10 (Silva, Bernardo, KDB, Maddison, Mount, Alli) and or fullbacks that can join the attack, either pinching in to maintain possession (Walker, Zinchenko) or working as wingers (Arnold, Robertson, James, Alonso, Rose, Aurier). Course, there is the other tactic of looping in crosses all afternoon, which can work if you have a world class aerial striker (Zlatan).

Our options for 10 are Lingard and Mata, neither of which can play 10 at any convincing level. For fullbacks, AWB May be the best 1v1 defender in the league, but he is miles away from becoming a competent attacking fullback. Shaw has shown flashes, but he’s been injured. Young is past it, doesn’t have the skill set anyhow, and Dalot is suspect defensively.

The fact of the matter is that any manager would have difficulty breaking down sides with this squad. We will need to improve in the above 2 areas, or at least one of them, before we can become a top 4 side.

We are incredibly fast, and can be technical on the break, but we just don’t have the proper players to break down defensive sides. The Ole Out crew needs to understand this and give him time.

The arrogance in the post is unreal.

So being so tactically savvy has allowed you to ignore all the times Ole has been tactically wrong. These two games have been very encouraging, but let's not pretend that Ole is now some tactical genius. It's quite clear that his strengths lie in man management and not my outsmarting his opponents. His main tactic is simply to absorb pressure and hit fast and incisive counters, you don't need to be nostradamus to see that.

You harp on about him not having the right players for the job, but he chose to go into this season with this squad. You can claim hes been stitched up by Woodward but that's pure conjecture. If he had budget constraints he simply shouldn't have blown his budget on the defence when, RB aside, it wasn't the weakest part of our squad.

Despite your best top red impression, it does not make you a better supporter because you claim to see something many others are not seeing. Every single person on here wants what's best for the club, even if that means recognising our romantic idea of a club legend leading back to glory isn't working.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Labelling people "Ole in" or "Ole out" and then adding words like mafia, brigade etc. in order to make it look like some fecking cult or group is pathetic.

We're all "Ole in", we are all desperate to see a club legend succeed here. I mean, isn't that the absolute dream scenario for anyone who supports Utd? I would love nothing more than for Ole to completely prove me wrong and actually do what I do not think he is capable of doing. I loved watching us beat Spurs and City, I love when things go well under him.

It's like people seem to think that being proven correct is more important than whether he does actually succeed here. For them it's become more about being proven right and being able to call the other side a bunch of idiots, get over yourselves you tossers.

 

[troylocker]

I look forward to see how we do with some continuity in the midfield and attack. Fred and McTomminay has formed a very good partnership and has just gotten better and better together, Rashy on the left and James on the right has also been bearing fruits up front with Fred/McTom in the centre of the pitch. I still think we will struggle with breaking down the low block, but I think we should be able to go through the next 4 matches without losing and winning 2-4 of them, taking at least 8 points. The squad is young, inconsistent and still desperately needs some creativity in the midfield, but the return of Pogba should give us a boost in all those departments.
The matches against SU and AV showed us that Pereira just can't cope in a deep role or handle that kind of defensive responsibility, and that we really can't handle injuries to our 2 best midfielders + backups like Matic. I am pretty damn sure we wouldn't concede 3 and 2 with McTom in his position in those matches. Pereira back in a squad option role for AM/RW is good for us, and hopefully we will never have to use him in the CM position with Pogba/Matic back soon. Lingard looks like the best option for the #10 part right now, but as soon as Pogba is back he should get a chance in this role, given Fred/McTom stays injuryfree. Martial up front, sharing some minutes with Greenwood should do it until we get in an upgrade, hopefully in January. Getting in a top striker and a creative midfielder in January should set us up for a very good 2nd half of the season, and there is no reason why we shouldn't be competing for top 4 this season.
With a couple of players more in the summer things might get really exciting, the keys to unlock low blocks should be available to us, we would have depth to cope with injuries and we should be one of three teams that could challenge already next season. With a young squad still not at it's peak Ole would have no excuses not to get at least top 3 next season. This is where we would see if Ole has what it takes to be the right man for us in the long run.

I see a lot of improvements in players, in our mentality on the pitch and I really think things looks a lot brighter than it has done in a long time. The players seems to back him and bleeds for him and the shirt on the pitch. There is no reason we shouldn't do the same. Hopefully he gets the time and backing to really prove himself.

 

[bond19821982]

Ugh. I literally gave three reasons why it’s difficult for us to break down those opponents, and your response is to just repeat the Ole Out talking points.

It’s not like we had two CL winning managers who had the same issues of dropping points / breaking down these types of sides. Oh, wait we did. One of those managers will go down as one of the greatest managers of all time. Were they tactically inept as well?

It’s easier to spout out “Not good enough” than to actually analyze the squad and our shortcomings in talent. Please, continue your mumblings while the rest of us discuss the how and why.

Please continue with your mumblings/analysis/how/why etc. - keep doing it.
My point is simple- show me the improvement on the ground. It's been an year since he has taken over and he is doing worse than Moyes. And he had 2 windows. Not sure why there is a comparison with our 2 managers. They were sacked for not winning enough and that's exactly what I am advocating here as well. For the record, Ole is doing worse than all of them.

 

[bond19821982]

We scored 5 goals over the Sheffield United and Villa games and played the youth team against Astana. There's been a clear improvement in our attacking against the weaker teams since the end of October.
3x Norwich
3x Brighton
3x SU
2x Villla

Astana at home . Not away.

 

[SteveW]

Astana at home . Not away.

Doesn't really change the fact that we've improved over the last 6 weeks at breaking these teams down. Improvement is what we're after isn't it?

 

[Withnail]

Doesn't really change the fact that we've improved over the last 6 weeks at breaking these teams down. Improvement is what we're after isn't it?

There's been a definite improvement since the Norwich game, even if you just look at the numbers of goals being scored.

Anyone who can't see that doesn't want to and imo is letting their biases get in the way of objective analysis.

It's night and day when compared to the first run of games. To name a few: Fred and Mc Tominay are improving all the time, Rashfords banging in goals, James is doing well and Martial is proving that if he can stay fit he'll get goals.

This team lacked confidence at the start of the season and hopefully after the last two wins the penny has dropped and they can get on the front foot early in games, play well throughout the full 90, and put the lesser teams away.

 

[M16Red]

Please continue with your mumblings/analysis/how/why etc. - keep doing it.
My point is simple- show me the improvement on the ground. It's been an year since he has taken over and he is doing worse than Moyes. And he had 2 windows. Not sure why there is a comparison with our 2 managers. They were sacked for not winning enough and that's exactly what I am advocating here as well. For the record, Ole is doing worse than all of them.

He started in the 19/12 how do you expected him to buy in that window, he was also still interim manager. He wasnt officially hired until march that means only one window? Doesn't it.

I'm enjoying the football, that's a first in a long long time..

 

[crossy1686]

Please continue with your mumblings/analysis/how/why etc. - keep doing it.
My point is simple- show me the improvement on the ground. It's been an year since he has taken over and he is doing worse than Moyes. And he had 2 windows. Not sure why there is a comparison with our 2 managers. They were sacked for not winning enough and that's exactly what I am advocating here as well. For the record, Ole is doing worse than all of them.

Yeah, no he's not. The stats are loaded to make him look bad. They're only showing his win % since he got the job permanently, they've completely disregarded his win % from when he was interim and we went on that 12 game win streak.

Moyes also inherited a much better team with a lot of experience and a very strong mentality, he completely fecked that up and we're still paying for it.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Yeah, no he's not. The stats are loaded to make him look bad. They're only showing his win % since he got the job permanently, they've completely disregarded his win % from when he was interim and we went on that 12 game win streak.

Moyes also inherited a much better team with a lot of experience and a very strong mentality, he completely fecked that up and we're still paying for it.

Absolute nonsense - how many of that squad are still here? The vast majority were ousted by Jose and LVG, let alone Ole. Moyes deserves to be raked over the coals for many, many things but claiming he is still having a negative effect on our team's mentality is absolute horsehsit, sorry.

 

[ThinkTank@Cafe]

The majority of this team wasn't assembled by Ole, and in regards to coaching and tactics that's really what's missing. Counter attacking football is really the most simplistic way to play, not to mention that we've looked defensively fragile at times even while wanting to sit back and counter. You mention reaping the benefits as if this was Pep leaving City or Klopp leaving Liverpool. The manager to replace Ole would be inheriting a weaker team than what Ole took over.

It depends what do you mean by “assemble”. For me, it means creating something functional out of different parts. For you, just to sign a player. Rashford on the left is a part of functioning machine: he’s on the way to have twice of his normal output because he is a part, not an individual player. McFred - the engine in the last 7 matches they played together. Martial functions as central forward. CB pairing is passing through pressing and being rock in big matches. Dan James provides width allowing us to employ the Wall on the right. Players are being assembled into units, this process has already progressed very far; units are being assembled into a machine, this process is near completion already in counter attacking play. The last piece of progress is always positional attack against deeply defending and organized teams. It’s hardest thing in football: consistently beating weaker teams. That’s how Fergie dominated. Do you expect it to be delivered with fully functioning 25 man first team full of Academy players in December after first window?

Emotions and tiredness prevail sometimes. When watching Villa game, I had my shit boiling, and for the moment I thought: feck you Ole, what the hell are you doing? I feel for the fellow United fans who get overwhelmed by the emotions during bad matches. But when part of them become bitter and pretentious “skeptics” bringing “Ole has to win me over” and defending themselves with poor arguments, I just hope they will support Liverpool some day and bring their karma to Dippers.

 

[lysglimt]

I have a question, do you guys really think if theboard would sack Ole tonight more than 50 percent of United fans get satisfied and happy?

Well I can say that 95% of the players would be very unhappy - and that to me is what matters the most.

 

[lysglimt]

Absolute nonsense - how many of that squad are still here? The vast majority were ousted by Jose and LVG, let alone Ole. Moyes deserves to be raked over the coals for many, many things but claiming he is still having a negative effect on our team's mentality is absolute horsehsit, sorry.

You are correct - it's not a popular opinion but Moyes took over a side that was over the hill. He made a lot of mistakes but he really had an impossible job. The entire core of that team was 30+ and the younger players we had in retrospect never lived up to the hype (and Fletcher was ill)

 

[b82REZ]

Well I can say that 95% of the players would be very unhappy - and that to me is what matters the most.

You love passing your opinions off as facts. There is literally no way of proving things like this. It's these intangible "facts" that make the Ole supporters look like they have no concrete evidence and just state ridiculous things like 63% of the squad have spent less time crying in the toilets since Solksjaer took over.

I'm sure if Solskjaer was sacked many of these players would look equally as happy under their new manager. That tends to be the case when you're paid tens of thousands a week.

 

[elmo]

You are correct - it's not a popular opinion but Moyes took over a side that was over the hill. He made a lot of mistakes but he really had an impossible job. The entire core of that team was 30+ and the younger players we had in retrospect never lived up to the hype (and Fletcher was ill)

Oh come on, he was at the job for months. Sir Alex literally walked the league with those players, they didn't all magically age years in those months while playing for Moyes.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Oh come on, he was at the job for months. Sir Alex literally walked the league with those players, they didn't all magically age years in those months while playing for Moyes.

Key part being Sir Alex there. I don't think there's any real question that Sir Alex worked absolute wonders with that squad. We were insanely reliant on RvP and Carrick in that title winning season. Our defense was ageing, our wingers had been under-performing for years and Carrick aside, we had no decent midfielders. I mean his main partner that season was a 38 year old Paul Scholes. We were also helped by the fact that the rest of the big 3 or 4 were generally a bit rubbish that season. There's no other manager out there who would've won the league with that squad.

Much like the summer just gone, it was a squad that needed big investment in a number of areas and never got it. Moyes should still have done much better than he did, no question, but it was still a weaker squad than you'd think a title winning squad would be.

 

[Dec9003]

Please continue with your mumblings/analysis/how/why etc. - keep doing it.
My point is simple- show me the improvement on the ground. It's been an year since he has taken over and he is doing worse than Moyes. And he had 2 windows. Not sure why there is a comparison with our 2 managers. They were sacked for not winning enough and that's exactly what I am advocating here as well. For the record, Ole is doing worse than all of them.

In what way is he doing worse than Moyes exactly? He’s taken over a struggling side and made changes that have left us with one of the youngest sides in the league.
Despite that we’re in fifth place, under Moyes at this point we were eight (with one more point) despite him taking over the best team in the league and adding Fellaini to it.
Even Mourinho had us 6th at this point in the season, with three more points, and he had ibrahimovic and Pogba in his side.

 

[Roboc7]

Ole hasn’t done a very good so far this season, this squad isn’t great but it’s nothing like as bad as is often made out. You don’t have to be a good team to finish 4th, let alone compete for it which is what we should be doing at least.

Last two games though have been very good but if there has been genuine improvement then we need to get at least 9 points from the next four league games. If Ole can start to pick up more points in these games and show some actual progression then there aren’t any grounds to sack him. If it’s back to square one against likes or Everton, Watford and Newcastle then it’s fair to be asking questions.

 

[passing-wind]

Ole hasn’t done a very good so far this season, this squad isn’t great but it’s nothing like as bad as is often made out. You don’t have to be a good team to finish 4th, let alone compete for it which is what we should be doing at least.

Last two games though have been very good but if there has been genuine improvement then we need to get at least 9 points from the next four league games. If Ole can start to pick up more points in these games and show some actual progression then there aren’t any grounds to sack him. If it’s back to square one against likes or Everton, Watford and Newcastle then it’s fair to be asking questions.

This is the best assessment of us under Ole. The fact that many have changed opinions because we beat city / spurs is shortsighted, we need more consistency because that's what will get us to four. If Ole misses top four and we don't perform well he should be shown the door.

 

[momo83]

So you're saying that Liverpool should've got rid of Klopp after the same time that Ole has been at United??

Nobody's comparing him to Klopp. I'm just making the point that giving him time eventually reaped rewards for the Dippers.

Yeah it might not work out for Ole and that's fair enough but United have to give him time. We've played the best football under Ole than under Moyes, LVG and Mourinho. Imagine pulling the trigger, getting another manager in and ending up with another Mourinho situation. That would be disastrous.

That’s a huge myth. Best football was under LVG, first few games 2nd season before Shaw got injured and also spell when we battered pool and City.

 

[MackRobinson]

One of the few sensible, logical posts in here.

Completely agree.

You are really committed to Ole Out aren't you?

 

[lysglimt]

Oh come on, he was at the job for months. Sir Alex literally walked the league with those players, they didn't all magically age years in those months while playing for Moyes.

Remember when Leeds won the League with a bunch of aging players like Strachan, Chapman, Whyte, Sterland, Lukic etc and then completely collapsed the season after ? It could very well have been the same with us, we had a lot of players in the early 30s who probably gave everything that one last time - won the league, and eased off 5% when Ferguson quit. And we simply didn't have good enough players to replace them.

 

[lysglimt]

That’s a huge myth. Best football was under LVG, first few games 2nd season before Shaw got injured and also spell when we battered pool and City.

Depends on how you look at it - the City and Liverpool team that LvG beat was nowhere near the standards they are today.
The first 30 minutes against City is probably the best football we have player after Ferguson.

 

[roonster09]

You are really committed to Ole Out aren't you?

One of very few sensible post here

 

[Tom Cato]

Astana at home . Not away.

Are people counting the Astana games? We barely played first team players. In any of the matches.

 

[roonster09]

Astana at home . Not away.

Astana home we didn't struggle to create, we struggled to finish the chances. Rashford alone could have scored 4 in the game.

 

[Strelok]

You don’t have to be a good team to finish 4th

Oh my God
Please don't be offended but I just can't stop laughing after reading this

 

[MackRobinson]

One of very few sensible post here

It's quite hilarious that ever since the City win the most hardcore Ole Outters, who every day called him a championship manager and called for his sacking, are either a) nowhere to be seen or b) attempting to spin a narrative to discredit two quality wins.

Pride > Fandom

 

[DSG]

The arrogance in the post is unreal.

So being so tactically savvy has allowed you to ignore all the times Ole has been tactically wrong. These two games have been very encouraging, but let's not pretend that Ole is now some tactical genius. It's quite clear that his strengths lie in man management and not my outsmarting his opponents. His main tactic is simply to absorb pressure and hit fast and incisive counters, you don't need to be nostradamus to see that.

You harp on about him not having the right players for the job, but he chose to go into this season with this squad. You can claim hes been stitched up by Woodward but that's pure conjecture. If he had budget constraints he simply shouldn't have blown his budget on the defence when, RB aside, it wasn't the weakest part of our squad.

Despite your best top red impression, it does not make you a better supporter because you claim to see something many others are not seeing. Every single person on here wants what's best for the club, even if that means recognising our romantic idea of a club legend leading back to glory isn't working.

Ok. So, since you believe he’s tactically inept, what would you do to break down park the bus sides with this squad? And don’t give me some shite about it not being your job, he should know, etc.

Secondly, conjecture.... neither you nor I know exactly how much he was allowed to spend, whether they were in for others, or they had doubts about certain targets. Is it not conjecture to lay all this blame at the feet of Ole? Are we going to crucify SAF for failing to get Ronaldinho in 2003?

Thirdly, wow. Am I a Top Red, or just someone who looks at our weaknesses and analyzes why we are having difficulties with well organized sides.

 

[DSG]

Please continue with your mumblings/analysis/how/why etc. - keep doing it.
My point is simple- show me the improvement on the ground. It's been an year since he has taken over and he is doing worse than Moyes. And he had 2 windows. Not sure why there is a comparison with our 2 managers. They were sacked for not winning enough and that's exactly what I am advocating here as well. For the record, Ole is doing worse than all of them.

I agree with you, your point is very simple. Keep banging that gong, mate. I’m pretty sure if you shout louder, more people will tune you out.

 

[DSG]

Labelling people "Ole in" or "Ole out" and then adding words like mafia, brigade etc. in order to make it look like some fecking cult or group is pathetic.

We're all "Ole in", we are all desperate to see a club legend succeed here. I mean, isn't that the absolute dream scenario for anyone who supports Utd? I would love nothing more than for Ole to completely prove me wrong and actually do what I do not think he is capable of doing. I loved watching us beat Spurs and City, I love when things go well under him.

It's like people seem to think that being proven correct is more important than whether he does actually succeed here. For them it's become more about being proven right and being able to call the other side a bunch of idiots, get over yourselves you tossers.

So you’re an Ole Out muppet?

 

[RedPed]

That’s a huge myth. Best football was under LVG, first few games 2nd season before Shaw got injured and also spell when we battered pool and City.

How can someone's opinion be a myth? I distinctly remember winning games under the previous guys and still having that feeling of indifference. There were a few standout games agreed but certainly not the best period of football.

 

[reddevil702]

To be fair, i was about ready to give up on Ole after Villa because i thought that was a "must win" and i honestly feared both Spurs and City would embarrass us. All in all though our form since Liverpool has been better. 7 wins, 3 draws and 2 losses (one of them being a school trip to Kazakhstan) and there are a lot of tough games in there. Another positive is that we are scoring now opposed to earlier in the season where we hardly created a thing. If we can stamp out stupid defensive errors like Villas second goal and Sheffields 2nd and 3rd i am confident we will pick up more points vs the smaller teams as well.

We are putting out a very young first XI and if they get time to grow and gel together they can only get better. A couple of more quality additions to help with depth and i think there are real reasons to be positive

Agreed. I think the City and Spurs performances showed some positive signs. Let's hope we can build on this and break into the top 4. Ultimately I know we will drop points here and there, this team is far from being a finish product but what I can't put up with is the performances being a horror show. Should be a good finish to the year.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

It's quite hilarious that ever since the City win the most hardcore Ole Outters, who every day called him a championship manager and called for his sacking, are either a) nowhere to be seen or b) attempting to spin a narrative to discredit two quality wins.

Pride > Fandom

This has become more about being right to you then what’s best for the club right?

Of course every Ole out poster is happy we won- We all want us to do well.
And there’s no narrative to spin as we’re still 5 points off 4th having failed to beaten Sheffield United, Bournemouth & West Ham.

Winning 2 games doesn’t mean he’s the best man for the job