Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[momo83]

Mctominay, Fred, Tuanzebe, Rashford, Williams and Greenwood have shown varying degrees of improvement this season. Maguire, AWB, and James have been more consistent than most, in my opinion.

McTomminay has just continued his form under Mourinho, same with Rashford. Fred has been hit and miss, the other players you mentioned rarely start. But even then are more in the James category of young players whose energy will sometimes shine through. But again haven’t played enough for any pattern to emerge

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Was double-winner Bill Nicholson a close second?

Cup Winner's Cup and UEFA Cup winner too.

Still no patch on the all-conquering Poch, though.

 

[Untd55]

Some of the arguments in support of keeping Solskjaer are ridiculous.

Mourinho and Van Gaal failed, so that means we should keep Solskjaer. Ah, is that because Solskjaer has been so much better? No, he has been far worse.

Van Gaal and Mourinho spent a lot of money. People seem to forget Solskjaer has already spent £145m, whilst making the team worse and bringing our results down. Yes, great argument.

Since Van Gaal and Mourinho did not work, let us give time to a novice and he will become Ferguson. Just No.

We play more entertaining football than Mourinho or Van Gaal. Laughable that people do not see how Solskjaer is basing his bare minimum 'tactics' on those managers. We play like a Mourinho team against big teams (only worse) - yes, Solskjaer parks the bus -and like a Van Gaal team against smaller clubs (only worse at keeping the ball, whilst being just as bad at creating chances). We have had 2 entertaining games in the last 31 games; I would hardly say that 'entertainment value' is one of his strengths.

Some teams above us have lost against the lower teams. So? The issue isn't that Solskjaer gets beaten by lesser teams but that it happens far too frequently.

Other managers make mistakes. I saw this in another thread about Guardiola making the wrong substitute in the game, which the posters pretty much said was unfair on Solskjaer as only he would get criticised for it. Again, Guardiola rarely makes mistakes and won two Premier League titles, which should earn him a reprieve. On the other hand, Solskjaer consistently makes mistakes, has not won anything, and consistently delivers poor performances and results.

Why don't people understand that treatment should naturally change based on the frequency of those issues?

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We are treading water with this guy whilst our opponents are making changes. Tottenham have a far superior manager to us now and Arsenal will most likely end up with a better one (possibly Allegri?). They have a massive chance of improving over the rest of the season, whilst we continue with the same dross.

We have currently won about 30% of the last 31 games across all competitions, which is diabolical. Our performances are dreadful and our only chance of victory is dependant on our attackers pulling off individual feats. Solskjaer has established no play pattern and has not instilled teamwork in terms of defence or attack.

He is by all right the worst manager we have had in the Premier League. I cannot believe people actually see any promise.

 

[theklr]

But they decided to move to fecking Liverpool? Manchester is no Paris or Barcelona, but Liverpool sure as feck is not either

I think she had a bad feeling about how we were run (as a money making business instead of a football club) and our owners, not the city itself.

Smart girl.

 

[theklr]

Wonder if the tide will turn abit if Lampard starts getting more bad results.

Think many have drawn the parallell with Chelsea (legend manager and academy players) , and looked how good they have been.

 

[red woppit]

I dont get this maguire bollocks. Most people were happy we got him when we did. Same as Wan. Now they ain't performing like they did at their previous clubs, which they wont anyway until they get used to their teammates and style of play. Remember Vidic and Evra and everyone was saying Fergie had dropped one as they wasnt good enough in the first season. Some players need a season to settle in some are ok straight away and anything inbetween

I agree that they will take team to settle in, and I don't think either have had a poor game, perhaps games where the team as a whole has struggled, but they have been pretty steady so far. Vidic and Evra primarily took a season or so to 'settle in', because they came from abroad, similar to Fred, and that in itself requires quite a while to get used to. Maguire and AWB will have to get used to the team changes which I think will happen over the next 12 to 18 months within the team/squad, but saying that, I'm glad that we have them in our team.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Wonder if the tide will turn abit if Lampard starts getting more bad results.

Think many have drawn the parallell with Chelsea (legend manager and academy players) , and looked how good they have been.

I thought Chelsea appointing Lampard was extremely premature.

Though they've never been shy when it comes to sacking managers so I'm sure they'll address it if it doesn't go well.

 

[red woppit]

Some of the arguments in support of keeping Solskjaer are ridiculous.

Mourinho and Van Gaal failed, so that means we should keep Solskjaer. Ah, is that because Solskjaer has been so much better? No, he has been far worse.

Van Gaal and Mourinho spent a lot of money. People seem to forget Solskjaer has already spent £145m, whilst making the team worse and bringing our results down. Yes, great argument.

Since Van Gaal and Mourinho did not work, let us give time to a novice and he will become Ferguson. Just No.

We play more entertaining football than Mourinho or Van Gaal. Laughable that people do not see how Solskjaer is basing his bare minimum 'tactics' on those managers. We play like a Mourinho team against big teams (only worse) - yes, Solskjaer parks the bus -and like a Van Gaal team against smaller clubs (only worse at keeping the ball, whilst being just as bad at creating chances). We have had 2 entertaining games in the last 31 games; I would hardly say that 'entertainment value' is one of his strengths.

Some teams above us have lost against the lower teams. So? The issue isn't that Solskjaer gets beaten by lesser teams but that it happens far too frequently.

Other managers make mistakes. I saw this in another thread about Guardiola making the wrong substitute in the game, which the posters pretty much said was unfair on Solskjaer as only he would get criticised for it. Again, Guardiola rarely makes mistakes and won two Premier League titles, which should earn him a reprieve. On the other hand, Solskjaer consistently makes mistakes, has not won anything, and consistently delivers poor performances and results.

Why don't people understand that treatment should naturally change based on the frequency of those issues?

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We are treading water with this guy whilst our opponents are making changes. Tottenham have a far superior manager to us now and Arsenal will most likely end up with a better one (possibly Allegri?). They have a massive chance of improving over the rest of the season, whilst we continue with the same dross.

We have currently won about 30% of the last 31 games across all competitions, which is diabolical. Our performances are dreadful and our only chance of victory is dependant on our attackers pulling off individual feats. Solskjaer has established no play pattern and has not instilled teamwork in terms of defence or attack.

He is by all right the worst manager we have had in the Premier League. I cannot believe people actually see any promise.

Do not agree with anything you have said. Have you only seen United win things, can't you get used to seeing them not winning? So you fully believe that a new manager will get instant results with this squad? Making the team worse, I think your having a laugh there.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

We're 9th, with our worst start to a season in 30 years. These are facts.

EDIT sorry, 11th. But we play tomorrow.

 

[SirMattlives]

I still think we need to give Ole the season to see how he's working out and take a calm decision then. We've been on a merry-go-round manager wise over last 5 years and it's hard to know what sort of fist Ole can make of this without giving him enough time. Does he deserve it or has his career warranted it so far? Well, he was not my choice as an interim last year but presumably some folks at the club think he has the quality and there does at least seem to be some kind of plan even if it's not exactly groundbreaking. Once we decided to appoint him, I figured he had to be given support and time in what would likely be a topsy-turvy period for results. That's where we are. Under Jose, I always felt he was half-hearted in the role so it was always going to end badly, and in comparison Ole is surely living and breathing the club like a fan. I do think there's some progress in play but it's spotty and obviously not enough to be convincing yet. If he can get a bit more out of the team in the second half of the season and line up some additions to the squad that improve us, it will help. Is it enough? Let's determine that when the season is done.

I do think there are some questions to be asked about coaching. Unlike many, I don't really get Phelan. I know SAF liked him but I suspect that might have been more about him following what SAF ordered and keeping the players upbeat, not sure Mikey himself is able to bring too much more. He never sounds particularly insightful when talking, and his own management record is hardly inspiring, but presumably folks in the game find him of value. Happy to keep him there but I'd feel better if Carlos was back, he seemed like a real football brain. Folks here seem to think Ole does little actual coaching himself, but I'm not sure where that's coming from. Of course people here also seem to think Woodward is the person who choses transfer targets too and acts the clown when negotiating, so I guess we all believe what we like without any real idea of what's going on inside the organization. Tis the lot of the fan. I can't get too excited about Pocc -- he always seems miserable and we've had enough of that about the place. Maybe when he's rested, he'll reinvent himself like Jose is doing currently. Changing managers has been a series of false dawns for us, so I'm sticking with Ole for the season and if things look clearer in May, we can proceed from there.

 

[Untd55]

Do not agree with anything you have said. Have you only seen United win things, can't you get used to seeing them not winning? So you fully believe that a new manager will get instant results with this squad? Making the team worse, I think your having a laugh there.

You could get anyone and he will get at least the same results as Solskjaer. He is a league 2 standard manager who has been bumped up due to his connection with the club. He is getting the minimum out of the team

I think there are a lot of managers who can get more out of this team.

How hasn't he made the team worse? Have we not just had the worst start ever in the Premier League?

Funnily enough, if you don't think the team is the problem then you are inherently admitting that Solskjaer is.

 

[Chairman Steve]

I can’t see what he’s done to deserve more time than beyond right now. His PSG away result has been cashed out. Spent a ton on the defence but we’re still conceding goals. Failed to replace Herrera, Lukaku and Sanchez leaving us really light as a squad. Does he not have any alternative transfer targets to Sean Longstaff and Jadon Sancho? Pretty sure a good manager has a list of alternate targets who have the potential to be cheaper and maybe even better than the ones you think will be good.

In this current day, where our league peers are reaping the benefits of TV money, poaching their best talents doesn’t work for us anymore. They’re even more expensive now, so when we’re splashing £80m on Maguire we should be hoping for something pretty good out of it.

I do get the feeling OGS is at times reading a playbook titled ‘What Sir Alex would do’. Theres some things he says strike me as Sir Alex soundbites but they don’t sound right coming out of him. He’s like a Fergie fanboy cosplaying the man himself. That in itself is a bit of a limitation to his ability. His playing career has revolved around one man, and that one mans major strength was man management, which is something that cannot be taught unless telepathy becomes a thing.

I do feel we need to break away from the Sir Alex era and create a new generation of Utd. Right now we’re Liverpool in the 90s, hoping and praying Roy Evans can bring us back to glory because he was part of the Boot Room, and Phelan and Carrick are our Ronnie Moran and Sammy Lee figures. My personal preference at the moment is bring in Ralf Rangnick as interim manager until the end of the season then move him into the DoF role, then hire the new manager in the summer.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Spent a ton on the defence but we’re still conceding goals.

so when we’re splashing £80m on Maguire we should be hoping for something pretty good out of it.

United have the 4th best defence in premier league.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/goals_conceded

Failed to replace Herrera, Lukaku and Sanchez leaving us really light as a squad. Does he not have any alternative transfer targets to Sean Longstaff and Jadon Sancho? Pretty sure a good manager has a list of alternate targets who have the potential to be cheaper and maybe even better than the ones you think will be good.

He was given the job full time for barely a couple of months before the summer transfer window.

 

[red woppit]

You could get anyone and he will get at least the same results as Solskjaer. He is a league 2 standard manager who has been bumped up due to his connection with the club. He is getting the minimum out of the team

I think there are a lot of managers who can get more out of this team.

How hasn't he made the team worse? Have we not just had the worst start ever in the Premier League?

Funnily enough, if you don't think the team is the problem then you are inherently admitting that Solskjaer is.

It's a great game this, you could probably name 10 or more managers who you think would be as good, or better than Solskjaer, but that's the problem, your theory will never be put to the test. I notice that you haven't mentioned any managers, and if you did, how would they get the opportunity to work at OT. We have one of the weakest squads that Manchester United have ever had for the start of a league season, we have had a number of injuries to that squad, weakening us even further, you will probably say it was Solskjaer's fault that we didn't sign more players in the summer, but you have no idea what players he was after. He has been in charge for a year now, he has got rid of a few players that didn't fit into his idea of a Manchester United team, signed three good players, brought a few academy players into the squad, and I'd still trying different formations to see which fits best for each match. Ferguson took a few years to get what he wanted at Old Trafford, but you will not give Solskjaer the same time. I appreciate that what you say is your opinion, but until you are proved right (which you may, or may not be) you can't say that one manager is better than another, all have different qualities, and ways of getting the best out of their teams, and a manager who is successful at one club, may not be successful at another. Most of the successful managers have been given time to create a team/squad/club, I think Solskjaer should be, you think he should be shown the door now. What we can agree on, is that we both want our club to be successful, playing good attractive football, we just think the journey will be different.

 

[Giggsyking]

5 points from relegation, 23 points from the top of the table. Why is it still a question?

 

[Irrational.]

5 points from relegation, 23 points from the top of the table. Why is it still a question?

Because he's an ex-United legend, his first ten games, the fluke PSG result, he's a nice guy, apparently understands "the United Way" because he played a few kids and the sentimentality is enough to buy him some more time here.

We're going to wait until fourth is out of reach and Pochettino has signed for another club before we let him go and this will be our downfall. We are a reactive than a proactive club and nowhere near as focused and cut-throat as we need to be. Until this changes we are destined for more mediocrity and excuses.

 

[dwd]

It's weird to see him getting credit for playing so many kids on Thursday, despite him only doing it to protect ALL of the first team squad from having to play that game.

 

[dave1956]

People, the first time I went to Old Trafford was 1956, so let us look back to 1948, when the then Mr Busby became Manager ( not the present name of coach), He took over a team which was aging with really no supporting reserves or youth side which was unknown then. He restructured the playing side of the club, introducing scouts, and a coaching staff, including a first team coach, responsible for coaching the first team 11.
This restructuring of the playing side of the club over a number of years brought increased success to the club for the next 20 years, from the 70's up to the time we appointed a unknown manager ( Within the English League ) success until that time was some what limited with certainly a great loss of focus on the youth system and scouting network. Under the management of Sir Alex, ( I stress title manager and not coach ) we had after a initial few years of average results to become the force once again in English football, at all levels. Why because as the manager of the club he went back to basics as Sir Matt did and restructured the club from the youth players, coaching staff upwards and success followed.
So we fast forward to the present, now our manager is called a coach, but it would appear he is again trying to emulate Sir Matt and Sir Alex and base the future success on the clubs youth system, this as the history of the club shows will take time but if successful will bring further honours to the club over many years.
Only time will tell if his approach will succeed but I am prepared to give him that time.

I say this because the history of this club shows where we have given our managers the trust and time then long term success follows.

 

[hobbers]

Only time will tell if his approach will succeed but I am prepared to give him that time.

How much time is that? And how far are you prepared to watch the club fall during that time before you snap back to reality?

 

[Class of 63]

Cup Winner's Cup and UEFA Cup winner too.

Still no patch on the all-conquering Poch, though.

I know, I can't for the life of me think what Ed is waiting for, world domination is only a phone call away!

 

[AC1689]

Unlike the fickle lot in here who keep changing their minds with every passing result, which is totally perplexing, I have said he should be sacked 6 games into the season. I stick by this and always will. No one will ever be able to say “I told you so” simply because this totally inept manager will never come good.

And no, he’s not the next SAF before anyone spouts the rubbish that he was given time, so by some outrageously dumb logic, Solskjær therefore should.

We are the worst we have ever been. I am sick to the back teeth of us looking clueless, only for the camera to pan to Ole’s face looking gormless, clueless and like he’s on the cusp of crying because he knows he is way out of his depth.

 

[Majima]

He will never be seen in England ever again.

Absolute fraud of the highest order.

Get him out.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Surprised 48% still want him. Must be opposition fans.

 

[bonothom]

So where do the 48% draw the line? The threat of relegation? We are still closer to the bottom 3 than the top 4. How pathetic is that?

 

[Andycoleno9]

I have a good feeling that he is out tomorrow. Fingers crossed

 

[laughtersassassin]

I have a good feeling that he is out tomorrow. Fingers crossed

Let us pray

 

[Andycoleno9]

Mourinho's results and football in ladt season were far better than this and there were 85% of people for sacking. Now it is 50-50. Amazing stuff

 

[el3mel]

This week proved there's still a chance at top 4 if we had a competent manager. Spurs were miles away and now guess what, they're ahead of us and 6 points off 4th because they reacted.

Sack him and get someone else. Enough time to save the season. Keep him and it'll stay the same, with us finishing not anything higher than 7th.

 

[Red Stone]

Feck it. Work quick and get Pochettino in tomorrow, just for the spectacle of Poch vs. Mou.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Have reluctantly changed my vote to sack now. It is not getting any better.

 

[steffyr2]

So where do the 48% draw the line? The threat of relegation? We are still closer to the bottom 3 than the top 4. How pathetic is that?

He's the 4th manager that we just HAD to get rid of....to be honest, I'm just sick of the idea that there's something else better out there.
In the case of Ole, there're probably are many better things out there, but spending a few years watching Utd play like this will possibly make people appreciate the better manager when they come.
Or not...Mourinho did win multiple trophies and get us to 2nd....

 

[Yoro99]

Is this now worse than Mourinho’s last season at the same stage last year?

I’m pretty sure it is or very close to it. How the hell 48% still want him I will never know. The man doesn’t have a clue, absolute dogshit manager. I doubt he will even get the Molde job back as they are doing better than when he was there.

 

[BigRon1985]

The general consensus on here at the end of last season was he would be gone by Xmas - it’s now becoming a self fulfilling prophecy........

 

[Damien]

I have a good feeling that he is out tomorrow. Fingers crossed

Not when our next game is Spurs and for all the bad stuff you can say about Ole, our record under him against the traditional top six (and Leicester) has been good so far this season. If we lose that then he's probably gone.

Is this now worse than Mourinho’s last season at the same stage last year?

I’m pretty sure it is or very close to it. How the hell 48% still want him I will never know. The man doesn’t have a clue, absolute dogshit manager. I doubt he will even get the Molde job back as they are doing better than when he was there.

We had 22 points after 14 games under Mourinho. Eight points off fourth, same as we are now. When we sacked Mourinho we were 11 points off fourth.

 

[edgecutter]

It's gone on long enough. I will always love Ole the player, but as a manager he needs to go, no other club would put up with this nonsense.

 

[Reddevil1978]

Time go go Ole, sorry its not working out but when you don't coach players what do you expect. We're a shambles and need someone with better coaching and tactical nous.

 

[tony54]

It's a great game this, you could probably name 10 or more managers who you think would be as good, or better than Solskjaer, but that's the problem, your theory will never be put to the test. I notice that you haven't mentioned any managers, and if you did, how would they get the opportunity to work at OT. We have one of the weakest squads that Manchester United have ever had for the start of a league season, we have had a number of injuries to that squad, weakening us even further, you will probably say it was Solskjaer's fault that we didn't sign more players in the summer, but you have no idea what players he was after. He has been in charge for a year now, he has got rid of a few players that didn't fit into his idea of a Manchester United team, signed three good players, brought a few academy players into the squad, and I'd still trying different formations to see which fits best for each match. Ferguson took a few years to get what he wanted at Old Trafford, but you will not give Solskjaer the same time. I appreciate that what you say is your opinion, but until you are proved right (which you may, or may not be) you can't say that one manager is better than another, all have different qualities, and ways of getting the best out of their teams, and a manager who is successful at one club, may not be successful at another. Most of the successful managers have been given time to create a team/squad/club, I think Solskjaer should be, you think he should be shown the door now. What we can agree on, is that we both want our club to be successful, playing good attractive football, we just think the journey will be different.

I'd like to agree with you but to get rid of fellains and Herrera showed a stupidity which has made him look foolish and given us fans more poor football.

 

[Saddy]

I'm for sack him reluctantly as he's nowhere near the quality and experience our great club should have - however he will be given the chance to pull something out in the next 2 matches and then Poch in to start another rebuild.

I saw him in Alderley Edge Cafe Nero on his own last week - very sad it won't work out !

 

[Judas]

Under Jose we looked miserable, under Ole we simply look clueless.

 

[MoskvaRed]

Both of the newly promoted sides that we have just played have better managers than us. Sad to say, that would also be the case for the current top half of the Championship.

Unless you are a City or Liverpool fan, I can’t imagine why you would want this to continue. There will be no prizes handed out, moral or otherwise, for offering up blind faith in the stewardship of a very likeable but utterly incompetent ex-player.