Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Bilbo]

No thanks Why would anyone go back to watch our matches when you could die from boredom while doing so.

Will you watch the games in December? Seeing as we are consistently shit 100% of the time you know what you are going to get. No point bothering.

 

[dove]

Will you watch the games in December? Seeing as we are consistently shit 100% of the time you know what you are going to get. No point bothering.

I will, don't worry. It's really hard to fully concentrate on the match as we are horrendous to watch but I will try, I promise.

 

[Bilbo]

I will, don't worry. It's really hard to fully concentrate on the match as we are horrendous to watch but I will try, I promise.

On behalf of the club and all its followers, we appreciate your ongoing support. A true example to us all

 

[VP89]

It's the illogical view to back someone so clearly out of his depth that I don't get. I'm all for giving a manager time, but you have to be seeing something, you can't just back someone for backing someones sake.

He's 3 points above Marco Silva & Everton. Just let that one sink in.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

He's 3 points above Marco Silva & Everton. Just let that one sink in.

Going well in all the cups also, let that sink in.

 

[Roboc7]

Well, in hist first season (after taking over in October) he only managed 8th, while ole managed 6th (3rd after he took over Link), and his first full season they started well enough, but were fecking awful from New Years and up til February with 1W, 3D and 3L. Its also worth noting they only got fourth one point ahead of Arsenal which they beat 3-4 and 3-1 so its not like they were sailing into top 4 easily. We finished 6th that year under Jose, who pretty much everyone thinks is a good manager, so what does that tell you?

No doubt our league form has been shite, but the current top 4 have all had flying starts. Before this weekend both Leichester and Chelsea were above City and i really, really doubt many people saw that coming in August. So we being adrift from top 4 isnt just about us dropping a lot of points, those teams have been in terrific form so far

Yeah some people did not want him gone and claimed he needed time, some people wanted him gone, because they thought the progress was to slow. Much like us with Ole. And i am not saying this proves Ole will come good, but there is a narrative going around that everything was fine and dandy at Liverpool in Klopps first years, which it clearly was not

In comparison to us it was fine and dandy, I really cannot understand why anyone tries to associate Ole with Klopp. There is no comparison, they finished 4th in Klopp’s first full season. Liverpool fans were annoyed because they started well and thought they were going to win the league. They were also having piss taken out of them for losing finals so a small number got annoyed.

Liverpool weren’t cut adrift because after 13 games in that season they had 30 points and were second in the league. If they’d had 17 points they’d have been 9th, 11 points off the top 4. So it’s really not similar at all.

It’s laughable people keep comparing Ole to Klopp as some form of defence, it’s the complete opposite it just highlights where we have gone wrong.

 

[VP89]

Going well in all the cups also, let that sink in.

AZ Astana, Rochdale and Partizan shouldn't be his barometer of performance. He wasn't brought in just to beat these guys, but to bring us up the table. The man has spent £130m on his defence and its barely any better than Brighton or Bournemouths backline. It's worse than Sheffields. He's 3 points above Everton in 16th place and pretty much equidistant between 4th and relegation.

And you want to chat shit about group stages in B grade cups.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

AZ Astana, Rochdale and Partizan shouldn't be his barometer of performance. He wasn't brought in just to beat these guys, but to bring us up the table. The man has spent £130m on his defence and its barely any better than Brighton or Bournemouths backline. It's worse than Sheffields. He's 3 points above Everton in 16th place and pretty much equidistant between 4th and relegation.

And you want to chat shit about group stages in B grade cups.

Not counting Chelsea away then?

 

[Massive Spanner]

Going well in all the cups also, let that sink in.

If it was the other he was doing well in the PL and doing shit in the mickey-mouse Cups do you think anyone would be using that as a stick to beat him with? Do you think anyone would care about us getting knocked out of the League Cup or struggling in the Europa if we were in top four in the PL and playing good football? No, not a chance they would.

It's the PL that matters first and foremost, unless the Cup is the CL then really, they're just a nice to have that nobody really gives a shite about for the most part.

 

[VP89]

Not counting Chelsea away then?

I'm counting everything. You can take the Chelsea game and it doesn't change my post. We are dogshite and a couple of nice wins in shit cups doesn't mask that.

Under Jose we beat City from 2 - 0 down and it didn't stop anyone from wanting him out. Ole is even worse. There's literally no excuse for his performances.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Comparing Klopp and Ole is the most ridiculous thing in defending Ole. It is like defending Fred with mentioning Modric.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

If it was the other he was doing well in the PL and doing shit in the mickey-mouse Cups do you think anyone would be using that as a stick to beat him with? Do you think anyone would care about us getting knocked out of the League Cup or struggling in the Europa if we were in top four in the PL and playing good football? No, not a chance they would.

It's the PL that matters first and foremost, unless the Cup is the CL then really, they're just a nice to have that nobody really gives a shite about for the most part.

It’s called being optimistic, you should try it. If he wins the europa will he be lauded as being as big a genius as the miserable one was while throwing league games.

 

[Massive Spanner]

It’s called being optimistic, you should try it. If he wins the europa will he be lauded as being as big a genius as the miserable one was while throwing league games.

No it's not, you should look up the definition of optimistic. Optimistic would be "I think if we keep this up we can get top four!" What you're saying is nonsensical i.e. "I think the Europa and League Cup performances are important and his shit performances in the PL should be excused as a result of that".

I have nothing against people who are optimistic but I am against people who try use silly arguments to justify keeping Ole here. If you'd just admit that he's doing a poor job and that you want to keep him purely because he's a club legend then I'd have nothing wrong with that, it's trying to claim that he isn't doing a poor job that's the problem, because anyone with even the slightest bit of sense can see that he is. The stats and performances are there for us to see, you can't argue with them.

 

[VP89]

It’s called being optimistic, you should try it. If he wins the europa will he be lauded as being as big a genius as the miserable one was while throwing league games.

No he won't. Emery did that 3 times in a row and still had his doubters, because he massively underperformed domestically with Sevilla. Look at his level now.

There's being optimistic and then there's being stubborn. We all love Ole and a terrible managerial stint won't change that. He will be forever a legend and always cheered by our fans but the club needs to come first and foremost in priorities.

 

[dove]

No it's not, you should look up the definition of optimistic. Optimistic would be "I think if we keep this up we can get top four!" What you're saying is nonsensical i.e. "I think the Europa and League Cup performances are important and his shit performances in the PL should be excused as a result of that".

I have nothing against people who are optimistic but I am against people who try use silly arguments to justify keeping Ole here. If you'd just admit that he's doing a poor job and that you want to keep him purely because he's a club legend then I'd have nothing wrong with that, it's trying to claim that he isn't doing a poor job that's the problem, because anyone with even the slightest bit of sense can see that he is. The stats and performances are there for us to see, you can't argue with them.

But have you seen our performances in the EL? They have been great (please ignore the first 3 matches).

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

It’s called being optimistic, you should try it. If he wins the europa will he be lauded as being as big a genius as the miserable one was while throwing league games.

Optimism would be a Leicester City fan thinking "you know what, there's a chance we might end up 2nd this season because our rivals for 2nd have their own problems and we, despite not being a traditional 'big club', are doing great."

What you are doing is blind faith. We beat Astana 1-0 at home and looked like a Championship side in the progress, yet we're going to beat CL dropouts over two legs?

You are not an optimist.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

No it's not, you should look up the definition of optimistic. Optimistic would be "I think if we keep this up we can get top four!" What you're saying is nonsensical i.e. "I think the Europa and League Cup performances are important and his shit performances in the PL should be excused as a result of that".

I have nothing against people who are optimistic but I am against people who try use silly arguments to justify keeping Ole here. If you'd just admit that he's doing a poor job and that you want to keep him purely because he's a club legend then I'd have nothing wrong with that, it's trying to claim that he isn't doing a poor job that's the problem, because anyone with even the slightest bit of sense can see that he is. The stats and performances are there for us to see, you can't argue with them.

It’s not the only reason, I don’t see changing manager again as a solution. There are bigger problems to deal with, not sure why everyone focuses so much on the manager these days.

 

[troylocker]

I am very dissapointed with the way some in here is all about immediate results and is not able to or wants to look at the bigger picture, behind the results, refuse to see improvement and see that there is a plan.
The polarized "discussions" in here is nothing close to a discussion, it is a black and white picture where everyone has their fixed opinion and trying to twist the information flow into fitting their narrative, leaving all facts that does not fit the narrative out. There is no color or nuances, nothing in between. Either you're sheit, pathetic, disgrace, idiot, stupid or you share my opinion. The only thing that is 100% certain is that no one in here has the answers, so a little humility would look good on everyone.

I foresee this for the next few days:
Everyone agrees the match against Astana is the perfect opportunity to rest first 11 players and prepare for AV on sunday, as we are already "ready" for the knockout stage. We will be playing something like: Romero/Grant - Young, Tuanzebe, Jones, Shaw - Matic, Garner - Gomez, Pereira, Chong - Greenwood
The same people wanting us to play this lineup, also claiming that PL is the one and only important tournament this season, will use the result of this match as a stick to beat Ole with if we don't win. I hope we win of course, but if we don't. Please prove me wrong!

 

[manunited1919]

How much time and what are your expectations in that time period you want us to achieve?

For me every transfer window yes he can improve but all it will take is for De Gea and Pogba to leave and we are completely fecked. Yes we have been playing without Pogba for a long time but having him on our books shows we want the best players and want to get back to the top, lose said top players and the confidence and/or spirit has been dropped a notch or two.

Pogba aside, we have one of the worst midfields of the EPL. Yes, McT is useful, but would he get into Chelsea, Liverpool or City? Fred has a good engine, but can’t pass (!). Matic, and Mata are way past their sell date. And Lindgard and Pereira are just not to the standards of a team with any aspirations.

Whether it’s Ole or any other manager it’s now obvious we need midfielders, so give Ole the opportunity to sign a couple of players in the January transfer window. By March we will know, whether we are able to play as a team, whether we can unlock tight defenses.

Pogba will go in the summer, he won’t want to spend another of his prime years with a team out of the UCL and in transition. But DDG just signed a new contract and is not leaving. I wish it were the other way around with these two. This is what I expect to happen with this pair regardless of who is the manager.

 

[youngrell]

Comparing Klopp and Ole is the most ridiculous thing in defending Ole. It is like defending Fred with mentioning Modric.

Only if you're comparing Klopp and Ole right now. Comparing the beginning of Klopp's reign with Ole is not so absurd.

Aside from results and squad issues already well covered in this thread by @Bobcat, there are further similarities such as struggling to break down teams who sit back but having very good results against the better teams.

Klopp also started from a much better base than Ole, Liverpool were struggling after the loss of Suarez but they were title challengers not too long before he took over which is a far cry from where we were when Ole arrived.

Now, as @Bobcat said, nobody is claiming that Ole will have similar success but you can certainly draw comfort in several comparisons between them if you look at things positively instead of searching only for the negatives.

 

[youngrell]

I am very dissapointed with the way some in here is all about immediate results and is not able to or wants to look at the bigger picture, behind the results, refuse to see improvement and see that there is a plan.
The polarized "discussions" in here is nothing close to a discussion, it is a black and white picture where everyone has their fixed opinion and trying to twist the information flow into fitting their narrative, leaving all facts that does not fit the narrative out. There is no color or nuances, nothing in between. Either you're sheit, pathetic, disgrace, idiot, stupid or you share my opinion. The only thing that is 100% certain is that no one in here has the answers, so a little humility would look good on everyone.

I foresee this for the next few days:
Everyone agrees the match against Astana is the perfect opportunity to rest first 11 players and prepare for AV on sunday, as we are already "ready" for the knockout stage. We will be playing something like: Romero/Grant - Young, Tuanzebe, Jones, Shaw - Matic, Garner - Gomez, Pereira, Chong - Greenwood
The same people wanting us to play this lineup, also claiming that PL is the one and only important tournament this season, will use the result of this match as a stick to beat Ole with if we don't win. I hope we win of course, but if we don't. Please prove me wrong!

Good post. We are in the age of fake news and this forum seems like it's at the forefront of it.

 

[Emrethis]

Only if you're comparing Klopp and Ole right now. Comparing the beginning of Klopp's reign with Ole is not so absurd.

Aside from results and squad issues already well covered in this thread by @Bobcat, there are further similarities such as struggling to break down teams who sit back but having very good results against the better teams.

Klopp also started from a much better base than Ole, Liverpool were struggling after the loss of Suarez but they were title challengers not too long before he took over which is a far cry from where we were when Ole arrived.

Now, as @Bobcat said, nobody is claiming that Ole will have similar success but you can certainly draw comfort in several comparisons between them if you look at things positively instead of searching only for the negatives.

We were 2nd the season before Ole took over. Ole's results against better teams are decent, but we lack of a consistent style of play. Our results against better teams have mostly been parking the bus, so there is no progression there. Until we see a consistent style of play developing, its hard to see any progress being made. Klopp's team, for example, had a style of play the moment he stepped in. It may have changed somewhat over the years, but it was a consistent style that was attacking and easy on the eye. It is more different to Ole's team than results suggest.

 

[Bobcat]

I think the main difference is that Liverpool were very inconsistent the first couple of years with Klopp. Brilliant game followed by horrendous one against some random relegation fodder, similarly to Pep's first season. But that's the thing, you know you can build on good performances, you know the team should get more consistent in time so it's a no brainer to give more time. Meanwhile us, we are consistently shit. We don't have great performances, we don't even have many good performances. Pretty much every single game is a horrendous one to watch with us being absolutely toothless. If we score 2 goals from 2 shots, we could possibly win. If we don't 100% convert our chances, we are doomed. Absolutely nothing to suggest we can improve with Ole if we give him more time.

We havent been that shit lately though. 5-1-1 from our last 7 games and 16 goals scored is a lot better than the abject shite we saw in September/October and at the end of last season. And despite our awful start we are still only 2 point off 5th and there is still a lot of football to be played. I dont feel like giving up just yet

In comparison to us it was fine and dandy, I really cannot understand why anyone tries to associate Ole with Klopp. There is no comparison, they finished 4th in Klopp’s first full season. Liverpool fans were annoyed because they started well and thought they were going to win the league. They were also having piss taken out of them for losing finals so a small number got annoyed.

Liverpool weren’t cut adrift because after 13 games in that season they had 30 points and were second in the league. If they’d had 17 points they’d have been 9th, 11 points off the top 4. So it’s really not similar at all.

It’s laughable people keep comparing Ole to Klopp as some form of defence, it’s the complete opposite it just highlights where we have gone wrong.

You just want to accept it because it does not fit your narrative. The facts are Klopp got plenty of fans against him the first two years because they were unhappy with the progress and him losing both finals. Hell, look around in the old "Klopp sack watch" and other Klopp threads we had here. Plenty of posters here who had a great time laughing at him

And its not a comparison of managers, its a comparison of situations. It took Klopp two years to stabilize them in top 4 and it took another year (and VVD) to mount a league challenge.

 

[VP89]

It’s not the only reason, I don’t see changing manager again as a solution. There are bigger problems to deal with, not sure why everyone focuses so much on the manager these days.

Because he's not very good and a problem that can be fixed swiftly.

Just because we have other problems too, doesn't mean we don't bother fixing this one while we can. When will people give up this rubbish logic?

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Pogba aside, we have one of the worst midfields of the EPL. Yes, McT is useful, but would he get into Chelsea, Liverpool or City? Fred has a good engine, but can’t pass (!). Matic, and Mata are way past their sell date. And Lindgard and Pereira are just not to the standards of a team with any aspirations.

Whether it’s Ole or any other manager it’s now obvious we need midfielders, so give Ole the opportunity to sign a couple of players in the January transfer window. By March we will know, whether we are able to play as a team, whether we can unlock tight defenses.

Pogba will go in the summer, he won’t want to spend another of his prime years with a team out of the UCL and in transition. But DDG just signed a new contract and is not leaving. I wish it were the other way around with these two. This is what I expect to happen with this pair regardless of who is the manager.

No, he wouldn't. Lots of posters here will disagree with you, but Scott McTominay wouldn't get into the midfield of any of the top clubs and I include Leicester City in that group now (Liverpool, City, Leicester, Chelsea, Spurs - yes, they'll be top 3-4 soon enough and are a good side). Scott would get into midtable midfields like our own, because he's a useful but limited player.

 

[el3mel]

And its not a comparison of managers, its a comparison of situations. It took Klopp two years to stabilize them in top 4 and it took another year (and VVD) to mount a league challenge.

That's not true. He finished top 4 in his first full season and comfortably. They finished top 4 in each one of his full seasons so far. If you want to conclude his first season when he took the job in November or October without a summer market as a full year then you should count Ole's last season as well, no ? We're actually at similar stage to where Klopp was in Liverpool, in the first full season of a manager after a mid season appointment the previous one. The difference they were far better, football, results and position than us at same stage.

 

[ash_86]

The thing is, plenty of Liverpool fans were getting on Klopps back the first two years because he took his time getting the right players. Klopp is extremely methodical in how he handles transfers and does not bring anyone in unless he is almost 100% certain they would be a good fit. Which is (believe it or not) is why his transfer record is so damn good. In fact, reaching those cup finals his first two years might have saved his job, because things were not rosy as Anfield when he first got there
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Those were just the first results from google. There is loads more. Of course those fans calling for his head back then look like fools today, but it does not change the fact that a sizable portion of their fanbase was starting to turn on him, and he was an pretty thin ice for a while.

The situation to here was also quite similar. Both squads had plenty of deadwood and Rodgers had done a lot of rubbish transfers like Benteke, Lallana, Lovren, Balotelli and Sahko the years before that. And before some genius accuses me of comparing Klopp with Ole, the former is clearly a better manager, but the situations were quite similar and its worth pointing out that he did not create that squad overnight and there were plenty of calls for his head during the process of doing so

Good post.

 

[troylocker]

Because he's not very good and a problem that can be fixed swiftly.

Is this a fact, or is it just your opinon?
If you want your arguments to have some weight and be taken seriously, I think you should start by separating facts and your opinion and presenting them as what they are.
That's just my opinion.
I won't comment on the insulting nature of line number two in your post, but it doesn't leave much room for disagreeing with your opinion...

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

This poll being close to 50/50 is horrifying.

 

[el3mel]

I honestly don't get at which point exactly will the Ole in crowd stop comparing Ole to situations of other managers and admit that he hasn't been good enough so far. At which point will they start thinking that maybe, just maybe, he's also a problem ? What are they waiting for to start thinking that ? When we splash 500m and buy a full lineup from scratch ?

 

[youngrell]

I honestly don't get at which point exactly will the Ole in crowd stop comparing Ole to situations of other managers and admit that he hasn't been good enough so far. At which point will they start thinking that maybe, just maybe, he's also a problem ? What are they waiting for to start thinking that ? When we splash 500m and buy a full lineup from scratch ?

I have a feeling that Ole will ultimately fail, but have the patience to ride this out a while longer, especially while the team have started to show some improvement recently whilst also dealing with very difficult circumstances around the squad and injuries.

Why is the Ole out crowd shouting so loud at the moment when we're on the best run of results we've been on this season?

 

[Fanatic 00237]

I am very dissapointed with the way some in here is all about immediate results and is not able to or wants to look at the bigger picture, behind the results, refuse to see improvement and see that there is a plan.
The polarized "discussions" in here is nothing close to a discussion, it is a black and white picture where everyone has their fixed opinion and trying to twist the information flow into fitting their narrative, leaving all facts that does not fit the narrative out. There is no color or nuances, nothing in between. Either you're sheit, pathetic, disgrace, idiot, stupid or you share my opinion. The only thing that is 100% certain is that no one in here has the answers, so a little humility would look good on everyone.

I foresee this for the next few days:
Everyone agrees the match against Astana is the perfect opportunity to rest first 11 players and prepare for AV on sunday, as we are already "ready" for the knockout stage. We will be playing something like: Romero/Grant - Young, Tuanzebe, Jones, Shaw - Matic, Garner - Gomez, Pereira, Chong - Greenwood
The same people wanting us to play this lineup, also claiming that PL is the one and only important tournament this season, will use the result of this match as a stick to beat Ole with if we don't win. I hope we win of course, but if we don't. Please prove me wrong!

The bolded part is a perfect representation of all conversations surrounding Ole these days. It's so hard to have sane discussions between Ole in's and Ole out's. Like almost every "pro-" and "anti-" discussion on the Internet, if you don't agree then your opinion is basically useless. The level of polarisation makes having a constructive discussion so very difficult. It's like the only purpose of debate is to prove the other person that they are wrong and convince them to agree. It gets even worse when everything which happens, including the innocent answers given in a routine press conference, is twisted used to push a particular agenda. It's jus unbearable sometimes.

 

[Roboc7]

We havent been that shit lately though. 5-1-1 from our last 7 games and 16 goals scored is a lot better than the abject shite we saw in September/October and at the end of last season. And despite our awful start we are still only 2 point off 5th and there is still a lot of football to be played. I dont feel like giving up just yet




You just want to accept it because it does not fit your narrative. The facts are Klopp got plenty of fans against him the first two years because they were unhappy with the progress and him losing both finals. Hell, look around in the old "Klopp sack watch" and other Klopp threads we had here. Plenty of posters here who had a great time laughing at him

And its not a comparison of managers, its a comparison of situations. It took Klopp two years to stabilize them in top 4 and it took another year (and VVD) to mount a league challenge.

Except it didn’t take two years did it, they started that first full season competing for top 4 and finished 4th. As I said after 13 games they had 30 points, 17 points would have had them level with West Brom. Think there would have been plenty of moaning from Liverpool fans then.

Have you even read the articles you posted none of them are supporting your point. One of them is even pointing out it’s ridiculous people on twitter to be complaining.

I go back to my original point all you are really saying is that a much better manger who inherited a similar situation to Ole was doing a much better job at the same stage.

There’s no comparison with Klopp, if you want a comparison compare Ole to Moyes. Both had similar records, both out of their depth only problem is Moyes didn’t go on to win the Champions League and got sacked.

If people can try and compare Ole with Klopp in any way then must be able to manufacture a narrative that Ole matching Moyes deserves praise.

 

[passing-wind]

not sure why everyone focuses so much on the manager these days.

To be fair this post doesn't make sense. Football as a game has completely evolved from even ten years ago the impetus for players to express themselves is over, the game is too compressed. If you have a manager who is an inadequate coach you will never get consistency. It's almost like saying this City or Liverpool team could manage itself it's ridiculous. Madrid with all of their world class players I don't see anything to be optimistic about under Ole that's worth backing him over, take away player recruitment and keep it on the performances of the team his overall tenure has been underwhelming.

 

[VP89]

Is this a fact, or is it just your opinon?
If you want your arguments to have some weight and be taken seriously, I think you should start by separating facts and your opinion and presenting them as what they are.
That's just my opinion.
I won't comment on the insulting nature of line number two in your post, but it doesn't leave much room for disagreeing with your opinion...

OK how is this - he's 3 points from 16th. He is 7 points from relegation and 9 points from 4th. He is the very definition of midtable and has a group of players capable of a lot more.

His 130m injection into the defence did far from solving the problem as we concede similar amounts to teams that leak goals for fun (Brighton and Bournemouth) and concede more than newly promoted side who didn't spend on their defence (Sheffield). He has colleagues who have made better change in less time and he has no established style of play. He makes frequent poor selection decisions and is out of his depth in the interviews he takes, suggesting the team has come on very far because they got a point to a newly promoted Sheffield.

There, enjoy eating some facts.

 

[el3mel]

I have a feeling that Ole will ultimately fail, but have the patience to ride this out a while longer, especially while the team have started to show some improvement recently whilst also dealing with very difficult circumstances around the squad and injuries.

Why is the Ole out crowd shouting so loud at the moment when we're on the best run of results we've been on this season?

What best run ? We haven't even got 2 wins in a row in the league so far.

 

[youngrell]

We were 2nd the season before Ole took over. Ole's results against better teams are decent, but we lack of a consistent style of play. Our results against better teams have mostly been parking the bus, so there is no progression there. Until we see a consistent style of play developing, its hard to see any progress being made. Klopp's team, for example, had a style of play the moment he stepped in. It may have changed somewhat over the years, but it was a consistent style that was attacking and easy on the eye. It is more different to Ole's team than results suggest.

Our version of second was not in any way comparable to the second place Liverpool had under Rodgers. They were genuine title challengers.

I don't know where to start with the contradictions throughout the rest of your post.

 

[DoomSlayer]

I have to say, defensively we haven't been good enough and it might cost Ole's job. We spend £130 million on that area for fecks sake, there can't be any excuses.

We might see a repeat of last season and the disaster we had in the month of December. The most depressing thing is that the twat Mourinho might be the one to put the final nail in the coffin.

 

[Emrethis]

It’s not the only reason, I don’t see changing manager again as a solution. There are bigger problems to deal with, not sure why everyone focuses so much on the manager these days.

We lost to teams like Bournemouth, Crystal Palace, West Ham, Newcastle and other so-called weaker teams. Don't get me wrong, every team loses to weaker teams now and then. But for us, its happened often enough that its become the norm. Our players are not worse than theirs, so its a coaching problem. Unless the board has something to do with the coaching, its the manager.

 

[youngrell]

What best run ? We haven't even got 2 wins in a row in the league so far.

Well done disregarding other competitions to push your narrative.