Would you rather win the FA cup and keep Ten Hag or lose, sack Ten Hag?

Win the cup. If EtH stays because INEOS has a plan, so be it.
 
I think many are missing the point of this thread. The question is win and he stays, or lose and he goes. We all know he will probably still go if we win, but that's not the scenario.

If he wins and stays, and next season is an absolute disaster, there's even less managerial candidates to replace him, we become an even bigger laughing stock, and find ourselves in an even bigger predicament, is that worth winning an FA Cup? I think that's the question the OP was trying to ask, and there's every chance that happens if he sticks around. Is another year of pain worth an FA Cup? Unless you are one of the select few posters that still thinks he's the guy for the job, then it's a no brainer.

In reality I 100% want us to win, and I'll probably be at Wembley, but if somebody told me you'd have to suffer this for another year then it would make me think twice. Short term pain, long term potential gain.
 
pocco said:
I think many are missing the point of this thread. The question is win and he stays, or lose and he goes. We all know he will probably still go if we win, but that's not the scenario.

If he wins and stays, and next season is an absolute disaster, there's even less managerial candidates to replace him, we become an even bigger laughing stock, and find ourselves in an even bigger predicament, is that worth winning an FA Cup? I think that's the question the OP was trying to ask, and there's every chance that happens if he sticks around. Is another year of pain worth an FA Cup? Unless you are one of the select few posters that still thinks he's the guy for the job, then it's a no brainer.

In reality I 100% want us to win, and I'll probably be at Wembley, but if somebody told me you'd have to suffer this for another year then it would make me think twice. Short term pain, long term potential gain.
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But if we win (in this scenario), then we'd have reached three Cup finals in two years, winning two of them, and have had a 3rd placed league finish as well - along with one poor league campaign due in no small part to a horrible injury crisis throughout.

I'm almost always on the fence about most things, and again I'm not in either of the ETH in or out camps, but all the above suggests there's no reason to believe - especially with better people now coming in calling the shots on the football and transfer side - that we'd inevitably have an "absolute disaster" of a season under ETH next year.

I mean, if we even managed to win another trophy with ETH this season (which this scenario presumes), prior to all the appointments and with all the injuries, then why wouldn't we also have as good or better chance of winning another next season? I'm not saying another manager wouldn't do any better (or worse), but your post seems to completely ignore the possibility that after another domestic cup win, and with a decent summer window and fewer injuries next year, we might have a similar season to 22/23 rather than 23/24?
 
Always to win the cup, regardless of a managerial appointment.

Personally, I think it's irrelevant as he will be let go, or given a new contract. There will be a plan in place and the cup final will have zero outcome on that.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
But if we win (in this scenario), then we'd have reached three Cup finals in two years, winning two of them, and have had a 3rd placed league finish as well - along with one poor league campaign due in no small part to a horrible injury crisis throughout.

I'm almost always on the fence about most things, and again I'm not in either of the ETH in or out camps, but all the above suggests there's no reason to believe - especially with better people now coming in calling the shots on the football and transfer side - that we'd inevitably have an "absolute disaster" of a season under ETH next year.

I mean, if we even managed to win another trophy with ETH this season (which this scenario presumes), prior to all the appointments and with all the injuries, then why wouldn't we also have as good or better chance of winning another next season? I'm not saying another manager wouldn't do any better (or worse), but your post seems to completely ignore the possibility that after another domestic cup win, and with a decent summer window and fewer injuries next year, we might have a similar season to 22/23 rather than 23/24?
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It's simply based on my beliefs. I believe that ETH isn't the right guy and he has a lot of flaws, which would inevitably lead to more of the same. If I believe this, then that's why the prospect of another season of this makes me feel uneasy. I can absolutely imagine a predicament where it's going bad, the fans are massively on his case, INEOS start is now looking a disaster, no options to replace because we're mid-season again. I think that is worse than losing an FA Cup final we are expected to lose. I'll reiterate that I'm obviously 100% behind the team come the final, because this isn't reality, but if somebody told me this would be the outcome then I'd have second thoughts, simply because I think that situation is worse for the club.
 
Win the FA cup by playing City off the park, and I'll have no problem with him staying. If that happens, I will also be ready to take a video of all the flying pigs we'll see.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
But if we win (in this scenario), then we'd have reached three Cup finals in two years, winning two of them, and have had a 3rd placed league finish as well - along with one poor league campaign due in no small part to a horrible injury crisis throughout.

I'm almost always on the fence about most things, and again I'm not in either of the ETH in or out camps, but all the above suggests there's no reason to believe - especially with better people now coming in calling the shots on the football and transfer side - that we'd inevitably have an "absolute disaster" of a season under ETH next year.

I mean, if we even managed to win another trophy with ETH this season (which this scenario presumes), prior to all the appointments and with all the injuries, then why wouldn't we also have as good or better chance of winning another next season? I'm not saying another manager wouldn't do any better (or worse), but your post seems to completely ignore the possibility that after another domestic cup win, and with a decent summer window and fewer injuries next year, we might have a similar season to 22/23 rather than 23/24?
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Domestic cup results are an extremely poor way to judge performances. If we're absolutely terrible in the league, get embarrased in the CL and yet win a cup, it's not a good season and it's not a prediction of anything in the future. Luck and fixtures play a major role in domestic cup competitions, that's why it didn't save LVG not it should have.
 
pocco said:
I think many are missing the point of this thread. The question is win and he stays, or lose and he goes. We all know he will probably still go if we win, but that's not the scenario.

If he wins and stays, and next season is an absolute disaster, there's even less managerial candidates to replace him, we become an even bigger laughing stock, and find ourselves in an even bigger predicament, is that worth winning an FA Cup? I think that's the question the OP was trying to ask, and there's every chance that happens if he sticks around. Is another year of pain worth an FA Cup? Unless you are one of the select few posters that still thinks he's the guy for the job, then it's a no brainer.

In reality I 100% want us to win, and I'll probably be at Wembley, but if somebody told me you'd have to suffer this for another year then it would make me think twice. Short term pain, long term potential gain.
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There's winning the FA Cup against someone like Palace (still a massive achievement) then there's winning the FA Cup against the divs to stop them potentially winning a second successive double.
 
MancunianAngels said:
There's winning the FA Cup against someone like Palace (still a massive achievement) then there's winning the FA Cup against the divs to stop them potentially winning a second successive double.
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Yeah, hopefully we do just that.

What would you be hoping for in the game against Arsenal, if beating them hands City the title? Out of interest.
 
Win and sack.

Don't want ETH at the club. He's had plenty time and has struggled to define his team. What's the point of keeping him?

Winning the FA Cup should make no difference.
 
MancunianAngels said:
There's winning the FA Cup against someone like Palace (still a massive achievement) then there's winning the FA Cup against the divs to stop them potentially winning a second successive double.
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It's still just 1 game. Anyone can beat anyone in a 1 off game.

If INEOS are as analytical, meticulous and stragteic as reports suggest, then there's no way they'd base a long term decision off this game.

The only way I can see ten Hag staying is if INEOS are penny pinching due to FFP. Keeping him on would indicate that even the Glazers are more ruthless. ten Hag would likely have been sacked by now if INEOS weren't involved.

They'll never have an easier managerial sacking on their hands. He's not their man. They didn't hire him. They can't be associated with his failure. But they could be tainted by it if they keep him and next season doesn't go well.

They have an opportunity to clear the decks and start a new era with people they hire.
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
If INEOS are as analytical, meticulous and stragteic as reports suggest, then there's no way they'd base a long term decision off this game.
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Agreed. If they decide to stick with ETH I'd still think it's a terrible decision but not as bad as if they base it on a one off cup game.
 
Will Singh said:
Option 3, win the FA Cup then sack him Monday morning. Van Gaal did a better job although I used to nod off while watching us play and he got sacked so ETH goes either way!
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Van Gaal was miles ahead of him and still got the sack. Rather nod off watching us play under him than clenching my asshole every time the opponent has the ball like how we play now. Also LVG always seem to do well in big games which is the antithesis of ETH.
 
Now that this thread has been created, my money is on lose FA cup and keep Ten Hag.
 
I don't understand people getting them knives out as It's a hypothetical scenario. For me a lose-win scenario will always be better than a win-lose scenario.

The damage being done by ETH with every fecking day that he's in charge of the club is irreversible. Even if he's sacked early next season, means we'll play catch-up for the rest of the season.
 
I don’t give a feck, I just don’t want Potter to be the next manager
 
The answer is obviously another cup to our collection.

These kind of questions keep being asked again and again, for LVG, for Jose, for Ole and now for ETH.
If ETH or for that matter any manager's performance is measured by a singular win in a final, then the club is being run by a bunch of buffoons and that needs to change before any managerial change happens.
 
Obviously win the FA Cup ….which would also qualify Utd for the EL and save us and the new incoming manager the embarrassment of the Conference.
 
I want to win the fa cup but I don't think it will be enough to save him. His transfers have often been crap, we have no style of play, it's awful to watch us and I have no idea what we are trying to do.

I don't think we will change everyone above ten hag and then not replace him as well.
 
pocco said:
Yeah, hopefully we do just that.

What would you be hoping for in the game against Arsenal, if beating them hands City the title? Out of interest.
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Arsenal can beat us 12 -0 for all I care.

The funny thing is Spurs play city on the Wednesday. With the way football works, you just know we'll beat Arsenal and Spurs will beat city.
 
Of course I want us to win the cup (unlikely but there is hope) and any United 'fan' who wants otherwise should change the sport they follow.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
The answer is obviously another cup to our collection.

These kind of questions keep being asked again and again, for LVG, for Jose, for Ole and now for ETH.
If ETH or for that matter any manager's performance is measured by a singular win in a final, then the club is being run by a bunch of buffoons and that needs to change before any managerial change happens.
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If SAF hadn't won the FA cup in 1990 does anyone think he'd have gotten the chance to win the first PL? I have my doubts so you could argue a singular win in a final was indeed the performance the manager needed to continue
 
Win without a doubt, but I don't think it sufficiently absolves Eth of the inconsistency of the team this season. Under no circumstances would an effective leadership retain his services. It's not even on the premise of bad results in isolation but rather a question of what is the manager building towards.

With having no viable idea how United improve in 12-18 months under the current coaching staff, I don't see any resurgence in performances which undermines the managers credibility.
 
Waste one more year and lose more ground to rivals for an inconsequential trophy? Yeah sure
 
We are not going to beat City in the final. It would be a miracle if we do so sure let's keep Ten Hag if we win.
 
No option to do what we did with Van Gaal, sacked despite winning the FA cup?
 
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