no.
I'm still backing OGS.
I'm still backing OGS.
Two finals is not even close?
By Examples you mean bringing in Evra and Vidic in January 14 years ago. Don't be so stupid man, There is players out there if we really want to pay the money. I'm not clutching at anything. Grow a pair will you.
Now you stop trying to start an argument. I just mentioned that we brought in Evra and Vidic in January to prove that good players can be found in January if we really look. You mentioned Mandzukic and Can, not me. I said there is players to be got and much better than what we have.Except there isn't. If it was you wouldn't have to stretch back 14 years for an example. Proof is in the pudding.
What do you think, that we will spend shit loads and bring in game changers in January? Our best bet is Mandzukic and Can, neither of whom are comparable to Evra/Vidic.
Now you stop trying to start an argument. I just mentioned that we brought in Evra and Vidic in January to prove that good players can be found in January if we really look. You mentioned Mandzukic and Can, not me. I said there is players to be got and much better than what we have.
Look let's just leave this here, as you just seem set on wanting an argument, and the last word. Goodbye.
Mourinho won with this squad. You can't possibly say the signings 'improved' us when we're in fecking relegation battle.I spelled it out to you several times that the squad is fecked because of bad and under investing from the Glazer`s. What manager in the world could win anything with this unbalanced squad.Huge holes in the squad but hey a new manager will make those holes disappear!
Lets agree to disagree. You just ignore what i am saying anyway.
No one's arguing, this is a forum for debate. I'm just saying you can't claim there are players available and resort to examples from 14 years ago to justify value in January. The truth is there is no value in January. Everyone knows that.
"Allegri comes and guaranteed he wins one trophy at least THIS season or at least gets us in top 4." i would love to taste whatever you are smoking, cause it must be epic.
Arsenal signed Aubameyang
Chelsea Pulisic, Palmieri, Giroud
Leicester Tielemans
Liverpool VVD
City Laporte
Spurs Moura
Just a few from the last 2 Jan windows
Aubameyang stunk out the Dortmund dressing room and was getting toxic.
VVD was doing the same, his was just an overdue target.
Laporte was forever linked with a move away and even still it took a large amount.
Tielemans was a loan and was made perm in the summer.
Moura was surplus to requirements.
Name me a single target that we can get whose on par with your named players.
Two finals is not even close?
Why ? He did a terrible job at Milan
And that was when Milan still had a decent side. Also take into account Juve were still shit while Inter who won the Treble the year before were semi-destroyed by Rafa's incompetence.He won the league for the first time in many years and kept them high until too many good players were sold.
And that was when Milan still had a decent side. Also take into account Juve were still shit while Inter who won the Treble the year before were semi-destroyed by Rafa's incompetence.
And that was when Milan still had a decent side. Also take into account Juve were still shit while Inter who won the Treble the year before were semi-destroyed by Rafa's incompetence.
Well, he's hungry and British, so ticks two of the boxesNo, I would go for Hodgson or Big Sam
And that was when Milan still had a decent side. Also take into account Juve were still shit while Inter who won the Treble the year before were semi-destroyed by Rafa's incompetence.
They won the champions league though, twice if you include the one in 02. The one that knocked us out was one of their greatest ever.As you can see prior to Allegri AC Milan weren't fairing really great
James MaddisonAubameyang stunk out the Dortmund dressing room and was getting toxic.
VVD was doing the same, his was just an summer overdue target.
Laporte was forever linked with a move away and even still it took a large amount.
Tielemans was a loan and was made perm in the summer.
Moura was surplus to requirements.
Pulisic actually joined in the summer.
Name me a single target that we can get whose on par with your named players.
2009-2010 - 3rdAC Milan won the league under Allegri in 2010-2011. Prior to that they last won the league in 2003-2004 ie 7 years prior. Throughout that gap AC Milan ended
2004-2005 - 2nd
2005-2006 - 3rd
2006-2007 - 4th
2007-2008 - 5th
2008-2009 - 3rd
As you can see prior to Allegri AC Milan weren't fairing really great
Klopp is not better than Allegri, let alone 'much' better.
There is Allegri. He's for sure better than Klopp and Pep even though better historically Allegri has him beat over the 5 year period he was at Juve.
They won the champions league though, twice if you include the one in 02. The one that knocked us out was one of their greatest ever.
2009-2010 - 3rd
Ibrahimovic joins
2010-2011 - 1st
2011-2012 - 2nd
Ibrahimovic leaves
2012-2013 - 3rd
2013-2014 - 11th when sacked
He is better than Klopp point blank. Pep is better historically of course, but Allegri had better results than Pep in 5 years he was at Juve.On what grounds is Allegri better than Klopp and Pep.
Yes. I acknowledge he’s good coach based on his accomplishments. But. He dominated a one team league. Serie A has only opened up a bit this year again.
Are you telling me that pep wouldn’t have done the same with juve.
Allegri is a great coach. But, i don’t think his playing style is suited to what our fans would want. Plus, it would be another completely different direction to what we already working towards.
Also, winning with a one team juve is different from getting Man Utd challenging again. Ask Jose and van gaal.
We already tried Jose a winning manager. I think at this point, we just need a manager that can get us to champions league qualifying level with positive football.
Like sides like Barcelona or even Dortmund there needs to be priority over a style of play and a type of player. By choosing Allegri, it would mean that Woodward still has learned nothing from his previous mistakes.
He is better than Klopp point blank. Pep is better historically of course, but Allegri had better results than Pep in 5 years he was at Juve.
Are we never getting past the 'one team league' BS? Roma and Napoli got 87 and 88 points in consecutive seasons. Juventus had to go 90+ pts in 4 straight years to win the title, Juventus haven't been past 1/4 final of CL in 12 years before he came. Then they went to 2 finals with two completely different teams. They hadn't won a cup in 20 years before he won it 4 years in a row. Milan didn't win the league in 7 years and weren't higher than 3rd in 4 years before he came. He holds the highest win % by any coach in Juventus' history. Stop with underestimating please, look outside of England, there's good football played outside of England and Spain I promise. In the last 5 years we had 2 teams win the league who were mid-table/bottom half teams the year before, we can't possibly be looking down on others. Other than last year his Juve would've won the Prem pretty easily during this period.
Pep almost certainly wouldn't do the same. Man needs one system, one type of player and continuity year in year out. Juventus changed so many players over the years, they were almost unrecognizable year to year. He only managed stacked teams and had all the riches at his disposal wherever he went and didn't come close to sniffing the final, let alone winning the CL in almost a decade.
Also, please stop with 'style of football' propaganda. It's fine to say you don't like Allegri's style (but judging from your post I don't think you have any idea how he plays), but Man United never had a style of play like Barcelona. Fans prefer that so they want that and have convinced themselves that United was always that and should be that in the future. We weren't.
Also people have this misconception that hipster attacking coaches and football are the only way to go, that only them win the big trophies etc, when in fact pragmatic coaches have won way more than people with one system and one philosophy.
We need a winning, smart, flexible coach who knows how to make the best with lesser talent but also how to build a team, work with big players and egos and has a winning mentality. Allegri ticks every one of those boxes and we'd be incredibly lucky to have him.
1)He doesn’t speak English right now,so what??Pochettino couldn’t speak a word of English when he first came to England...If he gets appointed he will learn how to speak the language,this isn’t an issue at all.Well I would hope that isn't the only criteria when picking our next coach. "Must do better than the last guy". Hopefully we'll also look at stuff like:
Just to name a few. We should be looking at the next Pep / Klopp, not another dinosaur like LVG and to a lesser extent Mourinho.
- Does he even speak English?
- Does his preferred style of play match the club's? (Attacking football)
- Cv
- Ambition
1)He doesn’t speak English right now,so what??Pochettino couldn’t speak a word of English when he first came to England...If he gets appointed he will learn how to speak the language,this isn’t an issue at all.
2)6 league titles and he reached 2 CL finals....Quite a decent CV
3)He’s 52,the same age as Klopp..Hardly a dinosaur...
4)Yeah,please help the club in finding the “next Pep/Klopp”....I”m sure you will find dozens in every street...
I'm with you on this. It's same posters that were pro-Mourinho that now want Allegri.1. is an issue as he'll need to speak it before he gets here
2. Decent enough cv, but things went downhill at ac milan and the league titles were won in a 1 horse league. 2 cl finals is good but he lost them both and the footy on display wasn't good to watch at all. Very Mourinho esque.
3. Not about age, it's about tactics and style of play as I've explained before.
4. I've already mentioned a few highly rated managers who are ready for a step up and who fit the bill better. Only reason you'd want Allegri over any of them is because on paper he has a better Cv. It's Mourinho all over again.
I agree. It will take one hell of a manger to come in here and change things around immediately, unless he has a magic wand. Using that want to knock Woodward off his perch first.I'm with you on this. It's same posters that were pro-Mourinho that now want Allegri.
The fact that his buddies in the press are talking about how he'll get us winning a title in x amount of time, says it all.
Some people think that it's as simple as getting a coach like Allegri and everything is fixed and we'll back to our winning ways.
That's exactly what was expected with Mourinho and Van Gaal. Then things don't go according to plan, we get frustrated with their boring style of play. Then they start having threads on the next manager that will fix things.
I'm all up for a new manager at some point, if Ole doesn't get us in the right direction. But, we first need to steady our ship. Get a consistent style of football and the right type of player and build a system. Rather than get a coach like Allegri and undo his work.
Whoever we get must be able to build on Ole's positives. Otherwise, we are going round in circles. This what these big name manager fan boys don't get.
Very good postHe is better than Klopp point blank. Pep is better historically of course, but Allegri had better results than Pep in 5 years he was at Juve.
Are we never getting past the 'one team league' BS? Roma and Napoli got 87 and 88 points in consecutive seasons. Juventus had to go 90+ pts in 4 straight years to win the title, Juventus haven't been past 1/4 final of CL in 12 years before he came. Then they went to 2 finals with two completely different teams. They hadn't won a cup in 20 years before he won it 4 years in a row. Milan didn't win the league in 7 years and weren't higher than 3rd in 4 years before he came. He holds the highest win % by any coach in Juventus' history. Stop with underestimating please, look outside of England, there's good football played outside of England and Spain I promise. In the last 5 years we had 2 teams win the league who were mid-table/bottom half teams the year before, we can't possibly be looking down on others. Other than last year his Juve would've won the Prem pretty easily during this period.
Pep almost certainly wouldn't do the same. Man needs one system, one type of player and continuity year in year out. Juventus changed so many players over the years, they were almost unrecognizable year to year. He only managed stacked teams and had all the riches at his disposal wherever he went and didn't come close to sniffing the final, let alone winning the CL in almost a decade.
Also, please stop with 'style of football' propaganda. It's fine to say you don't like Allegri's style (but judging from your post I don't think you have any idea how he plays), but Man United never had a style of play like Barcelona. Fans prefer that so they want that and have convinced themselves that United was always that and should be that in the future. We weren't.
Also people have this misconception that hipster attacking coaches and football are the only way to go, that only them win the big trophies etc, when in fact pragmatic coaches have won way more than people with one system and one philosophy.
We need a winning, smart, flexible coach who knows how to make the best with lesser talent but also how to build a team, work with big players and egos and has a winning mentality. Allegri ticks every one of those boxes and we'd be incredibly lucky to have him.
Aubameyang stunk out the Dortmund dressing room and was getting toxic.
VVD was doing the same, his was just an summer overdue target.
Laporte was forever linked with a move away and even still it took a large amount.
Tielemans was a loan and was made perm in the summer.
Moura was surplus to requirements.
Pulisic actually joined in the summer.
Name me a single target that we can get whose on par with your named players.