Another summer of huge spending ahead of us and you are right. How can we possibly look forward to next season playing lethargic football. When we have the likes of Matic, Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku playing for us there are little excuses. The good news is Jose will attract and pay for a few more quality signings this summer and we’ll be ready to go for 2019/20 with a more fluid manager. Just sit next season out. I am.
With Jose still in charge - I am NOT looking forward to next season
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Deadwood ! he is a young lad still learning his game , he is far from deadwood.
I mostly agree with your posts and venting is fine, some take it a bit far though. I'm not of the opinion Mourinho is the right man forward but I also don't know who should come in.
Little bit exaggerated. I think for certain we need a RW, LB and RB. I would then get Alderweirald for CB if his contract issues are to be believed.
LW is fine, if anything we have too many options. CM is fine for one more season.
Jose should be better with his squad rotation. Not sure why he uses Lukaku in the early rounds of the FA cup and League cup. That the opportunity to use Rashford or Martial up front. Then if they are needed for a big game like yesterday they have actually played there a little bit over a course of a season.
Problem is there are too many players in our squad that 1) cost a fortune 2) are not trusted by the manager.
These players need to be shifted. Darmian, Blind, Shaw, Rojo. I would add Fellaini into that but Jose likes him. Unfortunately player turnover doesn’t happen as quickly as that. And getting rid of them is impossible because they’re on massive wages that no other club is willing to pay, the only way to shift is to sell at a huge loss. We have been doing it for years. Transfer strategy is shocking.
I think everyone knew the risk when appointing Mourinho as manager. You appoint him knowing that it’s not going to be great to watch but the feeling you get after the game is usually one of satisfaction because let’s face it he’s a winner.
The problem with Jose is when he has seasons where you don’t win anything and you realised you’ve been bored or at least not entertained for the last 9 months In the majority of the games.
I think based on the league campaign he deserved one more season but I’d imagine the United hierarchy will be keeping a close eye out on some managers during next season.
The problem with Jose is when he has seasons where you don’t win anything and you realised you’ve been bored or at least not entertained for the last 9 months In the majority of the games.
I think based on the league campaign he deserved one more season but I’d imagine the United hierarchy will be keeping a close eye out on some managers during next season.
I don’t think I have ever been as pessimistic about an upcoming season. That said I don’t think we should be sacking Jose. Let’s not forget the beginning of this season when we were beating teams 4-0 and matching city game for game. The style of play changed after the Liverpool away draw, I recall Jose getting a lot of stick from the media about the negative setup and after that, it’s almost as if he had to prove that this style of play can be successful (in terms of results).
The Sanchez signing didn’t help but hey who on here wouldn’t have gone for the deal of swapping mkhitaryan?
Let’s hope next season we start off like we did this but maintain that more attacking nature, even after scoring one!
The Sanchez signing didn’t help but hey who on here wouldn’t have gone for the deal of swapping mkhitaryan?
Let’s hope next season we start off like we did this but maintain that more attacking nature, even after scoring one!
Just read that list of names again though - Sanchez, Martial, Mata, Lingard, Pogba. What do they all have in common? They’re all playmakers, all of those guys could comfortably play in no 10 apart from Martial, and Martial we all know well he doesn’t make runs in behind and he drifts a lot centrally. The fact is we can talk about those players being supposedly great as much as we want but none of them give us what we need. Movement, movement, movement. You can’t break teams down without movement. Tbf Lingard does but he’s the only one. Rashford was our striker but he was on the right wing most of the time, his movement is good but his idea of where to be and when to make runs is completely off.
Frankly it’s easy to say those are good players and pass the blame on Mou without analysing at all what our problems are. When you do analyse them it’s clear to see we’re the only top team that has such an unbalanced front line. How much movement and space creation to City get from Sane, Jesus and Sterling, Liverpool from Salah and Firmino, Spurs from Son and Alli, Chelsea from Hazard, Willian etc
Do we have any players comporable to those in terms of style? Literally none. No one creates space wide or centrally for us, everyone is static and no ones being dangerous or risky in their movement. Lukaku creates space because of his strength and hold up play but only he does it and when we don’t have him we have nothing
This is the best post I read on this forum in a while. Express my feelings as well, really can't get excited for next season and new signings.
We need to let Jose finish his rebuild. If he serves up another park the bus special next season then at least we can replace him and bring in someone who will have a very solid team to build from.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jose gave the Champions league a real go next season.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jose gave the Champions league a real go next season.
I certainly agree we haven't signed the right players. Sanchez added to out problems. But that's also on Mourinho.
Imo, we're becoming the new Arsenal.
I fear he's going to do well enough to avoid the sack (top 4) but we won't really go anywhere.
Stuck in limbo as it were.
I fear he's going to do well enough to avoid the sack (top 4) but we won't really go anywhere.
Stuck in limbo as it were.
This, who can look forward to this tumescent shite every week
I keep reading how the team is the issue and Jose needs another transfer window. The guy has brought in about 8 or 9 players! Do people honestly think our squad is worse than Liverpool’s? If we manage to get an attacking coach without losing our exciting players I would love to see what this team is capable of.
I agree Jose is the problem.
I think he’s took us as far as he can.
I think he’s took us as far as he can.
I think for the first time ever I can agree and say I'm not looking forward to next season. Sure we might finish top 2, and pick up a healthy amount of points, but it's not entertaining watching us at the moment.
I can't understand how a club like United have got three managers after Fergie who aren't attack oriented. Our club is literally built off the back of brilliant managers who loved nothing more than to go at teams and rip them apart.
If we could get a manager in now who played attacking football, but we wouldn't win anything I would be all for that, I just want to enjoy watching united again.
I've backed Jose to the hilt, but something has to give unfortunately. I love him as a manager as he's a winner, but it's not working no matter how much money he throws at it.
I'm worried about next season, I'm hoping Jose can prove us wrong and give us a season to remember.
I can't understand how a club like United have got three managers after Fergie who aren't attack oriented. Our club is literally built off the back of brilliant managers who loved nothing more than to go at teams and rip them apart.
If we could get a manager in now who played attacking football, but we wouldn't win anything I would be all for that, I just want to enjoy watching united again.
I've backed Jose to the hilt, but something has to give unfortunately. I love him as a manager as he's a winner, but it's not working no matter how much money he throws at it.
I'm worried about next season, I'm hoping Jose can prove us wrong and give us a season to remember.
I always look forward to the Future
But never ignore the Lessons of the past
( and I have much more past than future )
I cant wait to see the next competitive match United play.
I have enjoyed my time as a United supporter since the
1963 / 64 season, the lows ( and they have been much
lower than a second place finish, playing unentertaining football )
help you appreciate the highs.
Roll on the 2018 / 19 season
But never ignore the Lessons of the past
( and I have much more past than future )
I cant wait to see the next competitive match United play.
I have enjoyed my time as a United supporter since the
1963 / 64 season, the lows ( and they have been much
lower than a second place finish, playing unentertaining football )
help you appreciate the highs.
Roll on the 2018 / 19 season
Agreed, people are saying we can't win anything with the backline we have, but Jose has signed two players for it. If he didn't think Bailly and Lindelof would be ready to start these matches they shouldn't have been bought.
Same with the midfield, it looks so average yet we've spent well over 100 million on it.
How can you think he is when it is his outdated tactics and he has no intention of changing as proven at Chelsea second time, when he made promises of attacking footie only to suffer the sack for the second time.
I think he has enough time and needs to go now, as get someone like Luis Enrique in as Liverpool will be even stronger next season and can finally see Levy crumbling to Pochs demands. So I can see us fighting for 4th with Chelsea and Arsenal if Jose stays playing more dire stuff with Jose attacking fans like normal for complaining or putting it on the players.
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This summer we’ll watch Arsenal and Chelsea scoop up another couple of top, progressive, hungry managers.
Meanwhile, we’ll be saying goodbye to Martial and maybe Pogba because Mourinho can’t get the best out of their undeniable talents.
I’m not optimistic, no. If De Gea goes, I’ll be clinically depressed.
Meanwhile, we’ll be saying goodbye to Martial and maybe Pogba because Mourinho can’t get the best out of their undeniable talents.
I’m not optimistic, no. If De Gea goes, I’ll be clinically depressed.
We have had problems against packed defences for ages and nobody including Jose, it is down to tactics, not just the players, have done nothing to solve the problem. City and Liverpool are good on that count because they stretch the play with players who are good wingers and will run and run. They have movement up front which also stretches the defence. Our players just stand about making defenders job easy. It is a mixture of bad tactics and bad recruitment and not replacing players until it is too late. He has to get this window right.
If he gets this window wrong I would not be giving him another. If Martial and say Pogba go we have no chance signing younger players to be with us for years. Why would they play for Jose?
If that happens we will have to start an online therapy group.
Rashford just needs a manager who believes in him and will give him confidence. I have my doubts about Marcus, but the right manager could be all he needs.
I think this year has shown Mourinho has taken us as far as he can. We might make some marginal gains in buying more talented players than our current full backs, centre backs and attackers.
what's clear to me though is that we won't get the best out of the players and Mourinho doesn't seem to have any idea to coach a coherent attack out of us.
we've finished second but I have to say overall I haven't enjoyed watching United this year and I hope we find a way of resolving our problems - replacing Mourinho would be the obvious way
what's clear to me though is that we won't get the best out of the players and Mourinho doesn't seem to have any idea to coach a coherent attack out of us.
we've finished second but I have to say overall I haven't enjoyed watching United this year and I hope we find a way of resolving our problems - replacing Mourinho would be the obvious way
Well we had 15 draws last season compared to 6 this season and 54 goals scored last and 68 this. I wouldn’t say we’ve done nothing to solve the problem, we’ve certainly improved but we aren’t all the way there yet.
I agree this summer is crucial, the recruitment so far has been pretty good under Mou (awful for before that) but it needs this summer to complete the transition or at least take us to a level where we can fluidly attack teams with ideas and varied patterns
We spent 75m on a striker, and Pogba was more settled and we signed Matic.
Fact is though our play hasn't improved that much, just the quality of the players.
Recruitment is essential but everything outside of recruitment like coaching and tactics is also essential and we have not made any progress on that front.
68 goals still isn't enough. The goals more or less dried up since Christmas. You have to be consistant, that is what's costing us. We rely on Lukaku too much and need goals from elsewhere. The midfield have to provide goals, look at the amount of goals KBD can score, Silva chips in, Mane scores, Sane scores. Salah scores loads, but Firmino gets goals as well. I would be wanting another 20 goals from somewhere.
With or w/o an attacking manager, if we use ground 0 level of thinking, c'mon, 3 different managers couldn't do anything with these players, it's obvious.
People say that we could bring Ney, Ronny and Messi and still look shite. I'm saying we could have Pep, Jose & Sarri on the same bench and our current crop would still suck on the field because they just suck in general.
People were wondering why Pep didn't win anything last year(with 33olds as fullbacks). Well, aren't we in the same position now?
Your analysis doesn’t make sense. We signed a 75m striker who scored less goals than the striker we had last season...
Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Pogba all scored more goals than last season. Our play definitely improved, that doesn’t mean it was good enough but to say we didn’t improve at all is ridiculous.
If you think that signing 2 players can give you 12 more points and 9 less draws then why is anyone worried? Just sign 2 more players this summer and get 103 points next season...
My biggest fear is he has his usual third season meltdown and loses the dressing room around Christmas time.
I honestly don't think I can stomach another shit season. I fecking hate football the past 5 seasons as it is.
I honestly don't think I can stomach another shit season. I fecking hate football the past 5 seasons as it is.
That is on Mourinho and that is exactly how he sets up his team and always has. Did you not see how he yelled at Shaw when he had a shot at goal a couple of games ago?
Yes I 100% agree, we are reliant on Lukaku but he’s not a one man show like Ibra was. When he’s on the pitch everyone else is better because of the space he creates. We’re moving in the right direction by signing guys who improve our balance but progress is too slow for a lot of people. A few more guys like Lukaku who can improve our team by giving options to our creative players and giving space to our attacking guys would be perfect.
The 75m striker made it possible for others to find space and he stretched the play, something Ibra couldn't do.
I already mentioned Pogba, Matic providing defensive cover is what gave him the platform to go and perform earlier in the season. Our attacking play has not improved other than the fact that we have different players.
When you get to where we are, it is going to be our play that can get us closer to City not just players. Sanchez signing is just an example.
Honestly the fact that people think Mourinho tells his players not to make runs and purposely play slow football is insane. A guy who’s the most decorated and successful manager in recent PL history and one of the most successful managers in the world in the 21st century and yet he doesn’t know that you need movement and to play quickly. Seriously what’s the logic here? 95 points in the league, record before this season but is completely clueless in how to attack and even fans with basic tactical knowledge understand better than him?
Always find these comments weird
Not really, no. Do you honestly think that if Jose signs four world class players we will challenge city next season? I’ll say it again - he has signed about eight players and has spent a lot of money. There are many players in our squad that are already proven at the highest level. Who else is there to sign that will magically improve uniteds attacking Football? You could see progression under Pep.
After this season I am firmly in the Jose out club... Nothing to do with the loss yesterday but more to do with the fact there is no entertainment factor in this side at all .. 1 goal vs Brighton, West Ham, Watford and Chelsea says it all..
I really think that not winning the FA Cup might have been a blessing as now there isnt any way of us trying to gloss over how depressing and dire this season was .. There are goals in this side but not with Mourinho at the helm.. I am ready to put money on Mourinho not finishing next season with us ...
I really think that not winning the FA Cup might have been a blessing as now there isnt any way of us trying to gloss over how depressing and dire this season was .. There are goals in this side but not with Mourinho at the helm.. I am ready to put money on Mourinho not finishing next season with us ...
We need a good transfer window....If we sign 4 top quality players,we"ll improve substantially....
I’m already looking forward to the end of next season
It's gotten to the point where I can't even muster much enthusiasm for whatever new signing comes in, because I'll be expecting them to underperform. Like Sanchez.
He needs to go for the club to progress. Any elite club would have him out after this season but our board will wait until things get toxic before reacting. Why not change now? He has spent 300 million pounds and still doesn't have a tactic other than hoofball. Only some fans here could say he is 'building' something. It seems that whatever we spend we are stuck with the same under performing players and the 19th century tactics deployed by David Moyes. It's very depressing and totally agree with the OP.
I don't care what signings come in tbh. What's the point? We will ruin them just like Sanchez, Pogba, Martial etc.
He has no time for our exciting talented players but persists with average dross and overrated English players that have never been good enough. Not one player I can think of that has improved since he came. How can we be 2nd and have no players in the team of the year apart from our goalkeeper? Wake up people and smell the coffee. This is as good as its going to get. From here things are going to go downhill. Hes even had a go at Lukaku for not being ready to play yesterday! Lukaku! One of his biggest favorites and a guy he's backed to the hilt. The warning signs are there for the infamous 3rd season meltdown.
We need a progressive manager with fresh ideas before the club is damaged even further by this dinasour.
I don't care what signings come in tbh. What's the point? We will ruin them just like Sanchez, Pogba, Martial etc.
He has no time for our exciting talented players but persists with average dross and overrated English players that have never been good enough. Not one player I can think of that has improved since he came. How can we be 2nd and have no players in the team of the year apart from our goalkeeper? Wake up people and smell the coffee. This is as good as its going to get. From here things are going to go downhill. Hes even had a go at Lukaku for not being ready to play yesterday! Lukaku! One of his biggest favorites and a guy he's backed to the hilt. The warning signs are there for the infamous 3rd season meltdown.
We need a progressive manager with fresh ideas before the club is damaged even further by this dinasour.
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He has shown that his sides can play attacking football though, he just needs to release the shackles from our attacking players.
I've said it before but he deserves next season and then after that then yes he probably will go.