Winter Olympics 2010 Vancouver

Dr. Dwayne said:
hehehe I don't mean to pick on Norway in particular. I'm of the opinion that very few Olympic athletes (summer or winter) are clean 100% of the time.



That's ridiculous. I lived in cold dry air for the better part of my life and only developed minor asthma after moving to a marginally warmer climate contracting a particularly strange illness, big city pollution and too many ciggies. It's gone now but I can tell you that some of those inhalants can give a healthy person quite a boost in a cardiovascular sense.
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No Norwegian Cross Country athlete has ever been caught or even had suspicions hanging over them. As a nation we love our winter athletes and pride ourselves on the fact that they are clean. Any Norwegian athlete caught doping would basically be persona non grata over here.

Did you train outdoors for ~1500 hours a year in that air?
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
wtf are they doing cross country skiing for if they are asthmatics? it's quite possibly the most difficult thing there is.

sounds more like sly doping to me.
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Dispensation for use of asthma medication is common in loads of sports, not just cross country skiing. F.i, Scholes could never have been a pro footballer without meds that are on WADA's list of otherwise banned substances.

It's especially common in "stamina sports" like cycling, long distance running etc as they take such a toll on the athlete's lungs.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
hehehe I don't mean to pick on Norway in particular. I'm of the opinion that very few Olympic athletes (summer or winter) are clean 100% of the time.



That's ridiculous. I lived in cold dry air for the better part of my life and only developed minor asthma after moving to a marginally warmer climate contracting a particularly strange illness, big city pollution and too many ciggies. It's gone now but I can tell you that some of those inhalants can give a healthy person quite a boost in a cardiovascular sense.
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The Caveman said:
No Norwegian Cross Country athlete has ever been caught or even had suspicions hanging over them. As a nation we love our winter athletes and pride ourselves on the fact that they are clean. Any Norwegian athlete caught doping would basically be persona non grata over here.

Did you train outdoors for ~1500 hours a year in that air?
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With all due respect, Dr. Dwaye, I'd expect a doctor to see the difference right away.
 
mexos said:
So it's completely natural for me to blow tonights Olympics for a hot night on the town?
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The nightlife's hot at 8 o'clock? Where do you live, mate? ;)

I'd def watch the relay, I reckon we're gonna win it.

Team: Hanevold, Bø, Svendsen, Kongen.
 
The Caveman said:
No Norwegian Cross Country athlete has ever been caught or even had suspicions hanging over them. As a nation we love our winter athletes and pride ourselves on the fact that they are clean. Any Norwegian athlete caught doping would basically be persona non grata over here.

Did you train outdoors for ~1500 hours a year in that air?
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:lol: ffs upset much? take it easy tiger. I was tarring all olympic athletes with the same brush regardless of nationality.

FYI where I grew up is a very cold place, likely much colder than most of Norway. Do your athletes exercise outside when it's -30, what about -40?

Elliott said:
Dispensation for use of asthma medication is common in loads of sports, not just cross country skiing. F.i, Scholes could never have been a pro footballer without meds that are on WADA's list of otherwise banned substances.

It's especially common in "stamina sports" like cycling, long distance running etc as they take such a toll on the athlete's lungs.
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Yes, I realize that it is very common, asthma can affect anyone. I also realize that sports doctors are very clever individuals and national pride is a high stakes game.

I also know that doping specialists are a few steps ahead of the regulatory authorities.

Using a footballer isn't the best example, though as FIFA and WADA don't really see eye to eye.
 
Elliott said:
The nightlife's hot at 8 o'clock? Where do you live, mate? ;)

I'd def watch the relay, I reckon we're gonna win it.

Team: Hanevold, Bø, Svendsen, Kongen.
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Hot might not be the word, socialise with my non-sports interested mates didn't sound as fun.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
:lol: ffs upset much? take it easy tiger. I was tarring all olympic athletes with the same brush regardless of nationality.

FYI where I grew up is a very cold place, likely much colder than most of Norway. Do your athletes exercise outside when it's -30, what about -40?
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I'm not upset at all by your comments, my 'Tread carefully' comment was in jest. I was just pointing out that for a Norwegian athlete to be caught doping would have far more severe consequences for them personally than in other countries (look no further than two of our neighboring countries Russia and Finland). That is the reason I'm very confident when I say Norwegian Winter Sports athletes are clean. And you can't tar all Olympic athletes with the same brush. No Swede or Norwegian have been caught doping ever yet there are more than plenty evidence of systematic doping in Finland and Russia.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
Yes, I realize that it is very common, asthma can affect anyone. I also realize that sports doctors are very clever individuals and national pride is a high stakes game.

I also know that doping specialists are a few steps ahead of the regulatory authorities.

Using a footballer isn't the best example, though as FIFA and WADA don't really see eye to eye.
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As you seem to be aware of judging by the last paragraph, these dispensations are handed out by international governing bodies so I'm not sure it's an effective way to promote 'national pride' through 'clever' sports doctors.
 
The Caveman said:
I'm not upset at all by your comments, my 'Tread carefully' comment was in jest. I was just pointing out that for a Norwegian athlete to be caught doping would have far more severe consequences for them personally than in other countries (look no further than two of our neighboring countries Russia and Finland). That is the reason I'm very confident when I say Norwegian Winter Sports athletes are clean. And you can't tar all Olympic athletes with the same brush. No Swede or Norwegian have been caught doping ever yet there are more than plenty evidence of systematic doping in Finland and Russia.
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Don't forget China. All I'm saying is that it's easy to have that perception and even easier to have it destroyed by one person's (or their handler's) greed. Canada had that same image and in 9.79 seconds in Seoul it was shattered forever.

The biggest scam I worry about with the nordic ski events is blood doping.
 
Elliott said:
As you seem to be aware of judging by the last paragraph, these dispensations are handed out by international governing bodies so I'm not sure it's an effective way to promote 'national pride' through 'clever' sports doctors.
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Don't get me started on international governing bodies. The doctors I mention are team doctors, not those bought and paid for by WADA.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
Don't forget China. All I'm saying is that it's easy to have that perception and even easier to have it destroyed by one person's (or their handler's) greed. Canada had that same image and in 9.79 seconds in Seoul it was shattered forever.

The biggest scam I worry about with the nordic ski events is blood doping.
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I didn't mention China (or DDR) or USA for that matter because I was basically comparing us to our closest neighbors who have similar winter sports traditions. I am fully aware of how little it takes for an image like that to be shattered, and trust me I'd be the first to condemn any Norwegian athlete who got done for drugs.
 
The Caveman said:
I didn't mention China (or DDR) or USA for that matter because I was basically comparing us to our closest neighbors who have similar winter sports traditions. I am fully aware of how little it takes for an image like that to be shattered, and trust me I'd be the first to condemn any Norwegian athlete who got done for drugs.
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Not me, they should allow doping. Would make the games infinitely more interesting.

All Drug Olympics
 
It's difficult to explain to a outsider but I think my Norwegian brothers in this thread understand how much it means to a Swedish/Norwegian athlete in being clean from all sorts of doping. It goes against our whole way of thinking. The ultimate achievement/pride for them is to win or do well knowing that they have done so by pushing themselves to the limit without any doping. Some US/Russian athletes have a different way of thinking, they want to win at all cost and if that involves using doping so be it. I'm just using US and Russia as a example but it's not a coincidence that it's usually athletes from the same old countries that are caught in doping tests. Like I said different mentality in different countries/regions.
 
Richter said:
It's difficult to explain to a outsider but I think my Norwegian brothers in this thread understand how much it means to a Swedish/Norwegian athlete in being clean from all sorts of doping. It goes against our whole way of thinking. The ultimate achievement/pride for them is to win or do well knowing that they have done so by pushing themselves to the limit without any doping. Some US/Russian athletes have a different way of thinking, they want to win at all cost and if that involves using doping so be it. I'm just using US and Russia as a example but it's not a coincidence that it's usually athletes from the same old countries that are caught in doping tests. Like I said different mentality in different countries/regions.
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Usually, yes, but no country is immune. One day an athlete from a country with a clean history wil test positive again and then that whole country must deal with it. I speak from experience, Ben Johnson was a watershed moment and tarnished our reputation so much that Dick Pound had to go ape-shit on anti-doping to try and salvage our reputation. We in Canada were certain of the same feelings you speak of, not anymore.
 
Richter said:
It's difficult to explain to a outsider but I think my Norwegian brothers in this thread understand how much it means to a Swedish/Norwegian athlete in being clean from all sorts of doping. It goes against our whole way of thinking. The ultimate achievement/pride for them is to win or do well knowing that they have done so by pushing themselves to the limit without any doping. Some US/Russian athletes have a different way of thinking, they want to win at all cost and if that involves using doping so be it. I'm just using US and Russia as a example but it's not a coincidence that it's usually athletes from the same old countries that are caught in doping tests. Like I said different mentality in different countries/regions.
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I can vouch for that. The public reaction to a case like that in Norway, and I imagine Sweden, would be absolutely mental here. As much as I hate seeing Sweden beat us for example in the cross country relay I have never had any suspicion of foul play, and I'm sad to say that for a lot of other nations that is not the case.
 
Speaking of foul play, the biathlon has started, and I'm in! Come on Hallvard you gangsta!
 
If we're no more than 30 secs behind after 2 legs we'll win this.
 
No, I'm confident he'll show his class today.

Well done, Halvard.
 
"Det er viktig at han går sitt eget løp"

The most annoying cliche in sports?
 
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