Bale + 30m for De Gea more like.
Wingers/Wide Forwards - Our best options?
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Any thoughts on Callejon? 8 in 10 this year, scored about 15 last year. 12 in his final 28 would get him to 20 on the year and looks doable.
Has any wide player other than Ronaldo or Bale hit 20 in a top league in the last 5 years? Messi and Reus are often central and Robben is always too hurt to play the 32-35 starts he would need to get there.
We should keep track of goals and assists for the potential wide players in this thread if someone is arsed: Nani, Reus, Bale, Cuadrado, Tadic, Callejon, Pedro, Son (surprised he hasn't been named), Draxler, Shaqiri, Lacazette, Lucas Moura and the others I've forgotten were put up as shouts.
Has any wide player other than Ronaldo or Bale hit 20 in a top league in the last 5 years? Messi and Reus are often central and Robben is always too hurt to play the 32-35 starts he would need to get there.
We should keep track of goals and assists for the potential wide players in this thread if someone is arsed: Nani, Reus, Bale, Cuadrado, Tadic, Callejon, Pedro, Son (surprised he hasn't been named), Draxler, Shaqiri, Lacazette, Lucas Moura and the others I've forgotten were put up as shouts.
The proposed Bernabeu redevelopment will cost about £350m so selling players at the right price wouldn't be out of question, even with their revenue levels. It isn't necessarily about raising money either, one thing we've learned is that every player's position at Madrid can be untenable if Perez sets his mind to it.
I love him to, but I think an independent valuation of De Gea probably puts him in the 40 to 50ish range and Bale has played quite well since moving for between 77-85. Don't think his value has dropped more than 10 million. So, 40 and 70 sound about right, ni?
Only Buffon has ever gone for over 25 million pounds, among keepers.
Yeah but they're the ones who want to do a deal, not us. (in this hypothetical scenario) If I was Woodward I'd tell them to get lost in a swap for Bale. I don't care what independent valuations say.
But anyway yeah, De Gea isn't going anywhere and I refuse to listen to any more on the subject.
But anyway yeah, De Gea isn't going anywhere and I refuse to listen to any more on the subject.
For me Di Maria is wasted out wide, I don't think he's anywhere near approaching 'world class' there as too much of his game is stifled, I suppose that's just a fundamental difference in opinion that will inevitably keep us from seeing eye-to-eye on the issue. Similarly with Herrera, in my view he's a textbook all-rounder and he's played a CM role far more than he's played as an AM or a #10 during his career. Even when he has played further forward his tackling stats are always incredibly high because his style of play is more suited to playing a more balanced role.
I agree, he is deft and has good vision but I think LvG likes a Robben or Overmars type of winger that offers blistering pace and a goal threat, much like Depay who I still see as ther most likely option. Oddly enough I actually think we have more chance of getting Bale than Reus.
Is that Depay any good? I see a lot of folks on here gagging for him but is it just hype or is he actually good?
Well I've only seen him play about 10 times including the World Cup, each time he's impressed me, he's a genuine wide goal threat with an eye for a pass and good workrate. I believe he's scored 11 in 11 games this season and has 8 assists between the Eredivisie and the Europa League.
I think Madrid may consider selling Bale to make space for Reus.
I think Ronaldo and James are there to stay.
Bale isn't going anywhere. From the way it looks at the moment RM are playing with 2 Strikers, Ronaldo and Benzema, well at least on the pitch that's how it looks. I would be surprised if they did buy Reus and use Ronaldo as a lone striker.
The real question is if they are really willing to buy Hernandez from us.
There are a handful of great wingers out there that could improve this squad, but one of the most improved and in form in our own Nani - won't cost us a penny either (maybe flight back).
I'd love the club to buy Bale or Reus but there can't be that much more money available and that should be blown on defenders.
I'd love the club to buy Bale or Reus but there can't be that much more money available and that should be blown on defenders.
I would have said about Di maria last year, RM will buy whatever shiny toy is on display at the moment.
Reus on the left and someone to feature on the right is a must. I don't like any of our wide options at the moment.
Didn't seem worth making a thread yet but we've been linked with a £16M move for Florian Thauvin in January. This might be coming from the fact Giggs was scouting at Marseilles game last weekend.
Vargas at QPR is worth monitoring, he looked good during the city game. Better than Nani, perhaps not tho.
I'd wait to see how Nani has done at Sporting, if he maintains his form I'd give him another chance on the right and buy another for the left. When planning for wide roles we should always be conscious of the fact that Januzaj is around and for the foreseeable future will need games outwide, this is why I feel Nani would be perfect because his consistency and fitness issues mean they always be games for Januzaj. We definitely need more pace and creativity from wide areas but we also need to dump this two striker shite.
Jefferson Montero? 
-------------De Gea-----------
Rafa-Hummels-Chiellini-Shaw
--------------Blind-------------
-------Herrera----Di Maria-----
---Nani-------------------Bale--
--------------Rooney-----------
Go on louis, crown yourself muppet king!
Rafa-Hummels-Chiellini-Shaw
--------------Blind-------------
-------Herrera----Di Maria-----
---Nani-------------------Bale--
--------------Rooney-----------
Go on louis, crown yourself muppet king!
why would you think we have limited funds...
I think if needed we will spend as much as the summer this Jan and next summer.
Madrid selling Bale already to fund another big signing?
Sounds really crazy but with Madrid everything is possible.
If he'll be available we should be all over him.
Sounds really crazy but with Madrid everything is possible.
If he'll be available we should be all over him.
Maybe Koke in the summer for a preposterous amount and we play a 4-1-3-2 sort of thing:
----Rooney---RVP/Falcao----
--DiMaria-Herrera--Koke---
-----------Blind--------------
and Shaw and Rafael provide a lot of the width.
It's not so different than the diamond, but it has Koke. Koke.
----Rooney---RVP/Falcao----
--DiMaria-Herrera--Koke---
-----------Blind--------------
and Shaw and Rafael provide a lot of the width.
It's not so different than the diamond, but it has Koke. Koke.
I don't think they will want to sell him. With Ronaldo nearing 30 they'll want to keep developing him and hope he can become even half the player Ronaldo is. Crazy as it is, if Bale manages to produce even half of Ronaldo's figures he will be deemed a success.
I doubt they'd sell Bale but they like shiny new toys so if they buy one or two Pogba/Reus/Aguero one of their other players might be for sale.......like maybe, oh I don't know say.......Isco?
I doubt they'd sell Bale but they like shiny new toys so if they buy one or two Pogba/Reus/Aguero one of their other players might be for sale.......like maybe, oh I don't know say.......Isco?
He's a great player but he would offer us absolutely nothing we don't already have. His role is the very last thing we need to be looking to strengthen.
If we are going to play with wingers (I'm talking in general terms now, I know he's not a winger) we need them to have pace, power and end product.
We need another midfielder who can control the game with their passing, tackling and driving runs.
We need solid centre backs and we need genuine competition for the right back position. Attacking midfield and strikers are the last thing we need to look at. The ones we have are fine and just need a team behind them controlling and creating more clear cut chances.
Well Isco isn't slow by any stretch and he's very strong when running at a defense, plus he scored 23 goals across the last two seasons, not many wide attackers get much more than double figures a season.
Agreed, I guess that will be Strootman?
No disagreement on the CB's or the need for another genuine RB option. As far as the strikers go, that discussion is going on in another thread and I think a lot depends on if Falcao is a success, if not then RvP looks shot and LvG doesn't seem to fancy Rooney as a #9.
It's pure blind faith but I think Falcao is going to anwser a lot of questions when he strings a few games together and maybe not this season but I think Wilson is going to be a hit for us. He's just so instinctual, if he can toughen up he's going to score for fun.
I hope you are right about Falcao, I really want him to do well here and have several good seasons while Wilson develops as his understudy, as I agree that the lad looks like he could be the real deal as he's not just goals, like all top modern 9's he has a good all round game.
Madrid dont have a problem of letting go even their best players.
Draxler was class against Chelsea recently......
Not a winger...
Its funny how its hundred percent obvious that once bale is done at real or real are done with bale that we will be the club next in line. We will definitely see him here within the next 5 years. Hope its sooner rather than later because a welsh wizard playing anywhere else makes almost zero sense at all.
That sounds nice, but Chelsea have a ton of cash and an opening at right wing he'd fit perfectly in to and Citeh have even more cash and getting Bale and his goals from wide would let them play Aguero up front alone and pack the midfield and actually look competent in Europe.
Could even see him going to Bayern to replace Robben if it's summer 2016 or 17. But at the very least, I would think it would be a 3 team race.
Griezmann scored another Robben-esque cutting in goal for France. Why didn't we sign him early in the summer and stick him on the right again?
We have more muscle to flex in the transfer market than both City and Chelsea put together.
Still, you have to recognise the importance of following the footsteps of giggs. Even though george best was from northern Ireland, theres this feeling that any homegrown winger who turns out class normally plays for us. Imo bale wanted to test himself abroad because an offer from us always going to be viable aslong as he maintains decent form. He has never pledged his life long commitment to real unlike ronaldo so it really is a step for him to learn.
Imo, depay on the left, bale on the right, januzaj in the middle is how we might look couple years down the line.
1. That feeling may be your own, but I'm not sure it means anything.
2. I don't think he went to Madrid to "test himself abroad" because could always just come here. He wanted to be a galactico at Madrid, like pretty much every other footballer who is good enough and isn't at Barcelona (and maybe Bayern at this point). Nothing to do with us.
3. I would love it if we signed Bale, but this isn't some set narrative where he ends up here. If he leaves Madrid because Isco and James have taken his starting spot and he can't get it back, or he falls out, or the media hounds him out or whatever, we'll bid, but I don't think it'll be just us and PSG like with Di Maria. I really think the other big Prem teams would get involved this time.
2. I don't think he went to Madrid to "test himself abroad" because could always just come here. He wanted to be a galactico at Madrid, like pretty much every other footballer who is good enough and isn't at Barcelona (and maybe Bayern at this point). Nothing to do with us.
3. I would love it if we signed Bale, but this isn't some set narrative where he ends up here. If he leaves Madrid because Isco and James have taken his starting spot and he can't get it back, or he falls out, or the media hounds him out or whatever, we'll bid, but I don't think it'll be just us and PSG like with Di Maria. I really think the other big Prem teams would get involved this time.
Why do chelsea have an opening at right wing? If they don't like Willian he can come here.
Willian is pretty good, but I would say the starters Chelsea are unlikely to look to upgrade in the next few years are Costa, Hazard, Oscar, Cesc, Matic, and the entire back 5 save Terry once he's too old, assuming Zouma can't just step in. So, the closest thing they have to an opening in the front 6 is either RW, where Willian is a good but not great player, or at CM, since they'd be stronger in the CL if they could push Cesc up a bit and give Matic a partner with a better defensive game.
So, this summer or next, I think they'll sell Schurrle or Salah and buy a winger, along with another CM and the Terry replacement.
I doubt they'll stop buying entirely and it's basically impossible for them to realistically upgrade any of Costa-Hazard-Cesc-Matic and Oscar is younger and Mourinho prefers him to Willian, so they'll probably buy a winger and a CM. Bale is a winger and one of the few who is a clear upgrade to Willian and a player who would improve them.
Mourinho was ruthless in the transfer window this past summer, bringing back Courtois and dropping Cech, raiding Atletico for Costa and Felipe Luis and securing Cesc. I don't think they'll sign 3-4 starters again this summer, but I do think they'll look hard for 1-2.
They really could reach the Madrid/Bayern/Barca bracket if they signed Bale, Reus or another star (not sure any exist that are going anywhere) to play on the right, another CM as described above (Pogba, Strootman, Vidal, Khedira) and a long-term Terry replacement.
We should slap out balls on the table again and go full retard to get Reus and Bale. And Strootman and a new defense.
Falcao
Bale - Rooney - Reus
Di Maria - Strootman
Shaw - New - Defenders - Rafael
DDG
Bale - Rooney - Reus
Di Maria - Strootman
Shaw - New - Defenders - Rafael
DDG
Then win every game 11-5.
Salah is definitely going in January or in the summer after not impressing Jose at all in the chances he has got.
Scurrle loves the club and Jose likes him a lot but incase Reus is willing to come to Chelsea, he will be a massive upgrade over Schurrle over the RW position.Schurrle is the only player who Chelsea can sell and make some money to balance the FFP books. Also, signing Reus is necessary to show intent to compete with Bayern/Madrid/Barca on and off the field.
Keeping Schurrle and Reus (if he comes) will be little difficult with Hazard and Willian already there. If both Schurrle and Salah are sold, this will open up 2 spaces which can be filed by Reus plus another youngster on loan or from academy.
Hazard will then be a definite starter with Reus/Oscar/Willian rotated as per the situation and fitness.
As per signing a CM, we are quite well stocked at the moment with Ramires/Mikel barely getting any gametime and Van Ginkel will return back. Pogba is the only one we could go for as he is homegrown but he would cost insane amounts more than 40mn.