Ixion
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Murray has already surpassed anything Henman achieved. He'll win a slam at some point.
This Kvitova, for an athlete at this level, seems a bit podgy.
Sharapova so annoying.
2-2 first set.
Henman? the fact henman is some sort of hero whilst Murray is looked at as a failure is bizarre. Murray has already achieved far greater things than Henman ever dreamed of.
Murray will win a slam.
a) Nobody thinks of Henman as a hero.
b) To say that Murray reaching a couple of grandslam finals is more than Henman ever dreamed of is a bit silly really, isn't it?
Its not though. Murray has reached 3 Grand Slam finals, been world number 2, won 17 career titles all by the age of 24. Henman never made one grand slam final, only won 11 career titles and reached world number 4 at the highest. Arguably Murray has already done much better than Henman in half of his career against arguably an era of much tougher opposition.
..but he's not won a grandslam.
And where does this become relevant in the argument? You were questioning Murrays achievements as what Henman could only dream of. Im sure Henman dreamed of making a GS final. Turns out he failed at the semi final stage 6 times. Murrays surpassed that, making it 3 times. At 24.
Vidicious said:as is that fella of hers
Tracy Austin.Who is this commentator? "JEEEEZ!!"
..but he's not won a grandslam.
But he's a far superior player than Henman, and his career so far bares that out considerably. Henman never reached the final of any grandslam, and only ever came close at Wimbledon, he was next to useless in the others (oddly Rusedski did, despite being the lesser of the two, on hard court where his service game was more rewarding, but he never got past the Quarters anywhere else, ever again) whereas Murray is already only 1 SF off equalling Henman's record there, which he will undoubtedly do, whilst far surpassing his record in the other slams by a distance. He's also already got 6 more career titles and been ranked No2.
Henman would cut off his nose to have Murray's career...In a second.
Unrelated question: assuming you've watched these recent tennis games, do you still think the women deserve equal pay to the men here?
It's all relative. Women in general aren't as physically suited to that sort of endurance as men, or at least not without the quality suffering. It would be torture watching the likes of Schiavone and Safina play four or five hours of increasingly low-quality tennis just because it was seen to the appropriate that they play the same number of sets.
There's also the fiscal argument as they don't generate even half of what the men's tour does in terms of revenue. But then you have to go down the road of giving less prize money to the less popular male players as they won't have generated the same amount as the likes of a Federer or a Nadal.
Or the road of making women play less for their food, drink, electricity, mortages etc just because they aren't as physically suited to their jobs as men.
There are many relative things obviously, and it doesn't work in everything (a female hod carrier not physically suited to doing it shouldn't just be given the job because of equal opportunities) but while women are still paid less than men in many many professions across the board I think it's a worthwhile thing to promote.